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jmcrae said:
So that we can know what He is saying.

You keep saying that you have the Holy Spirit. What is the use of “having” the Holy Spirit, if He doesn’t use you as His instrument to tell other people what is right and wrong?
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Well now I understand what you are saying. I guess it was just the wording that confused me.:o 👍
 
ALLFORHIM said:
But, what if he is talking ex-cathedra and he is wrong and what he is saying is not biblical, then who has the authority to tell him he is wrong or to just question whether he is wrong?
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Jesus has already promised us that this can never happen.

Do you believe in Jesus? Do you believe that whatever Jesus says is true forever?

If so, then look up Matthew 16:18, and see where He promised us that the gates of Hades can never prevail against Peter or his Successors. (Also look up Isaiah 22, to see the meaning of the “keys” that Jesus is giving to Peter, as well.)

Our trust in the Pope is actually founded on our trust in Jesus. It is because we believe in Jesus and know that Jesus can never lie to us, that we can believe that what He said about the Pope is true. 👍
 
Kay_Cee said:
Anyone can rebuke the pope for sinfulness or stupidity, as jmcrae already pointed out to you.

But if you mean rebuking him for teaching heresy, I’ll answer that when you tell me who has the authority to rebuke any of the scripture writers

The fact is, AFH, you believe in infallibility. You believe the writers of scripture had it when they wrote (either that or scripture is full of errors). So, if my request above seems ridiculous to you, it’s because you probably find it silly to rebuke someone in an area where he’s infallible.

Are you going to respond to the rest of my post?
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Hi,

I believe that God wrote the Scriptures through the HS physically written by men yes:D

People did try to rebuke the writers of the bible. That is why so many heresies were being taught and still are today. Anyone has the right to rebuke whoever they want ,thankfully the truth is the truth and that will never change AMEN!

Here lies the differences between you(catholic) and I(protestant),

1.) I believe in Priesthood of all believers(All believer’s are heir to the throne of God–are equals, noone is better then the next)which pretty much makes knowledge and understanding of scripture available to all who have HS. Maybe understanding is a better word then intrepretation.😃

2.)There is only one meaning(uniquivical(SP?)to the scriptures–so when 2 people have 2 different meanings both cannot be right.

3.) This where #3 comes in poor hermeneutics–also when two people disagree on a passage the only real way of disputing it is going back to the original language (Greek or Hebrew)and study it out together and discuss what it reaaly means in the original language. Thank God my minister does that for us. He also gives us the Greek when studying the bible.

4.)Scripture does intrepret scripture–Im not sure what the CC believes about this. But since I have been studying the bible, I have seen this happen. I will be studying a book and we are told to go to another passage and it is like WOW it says the same thing–one passage backs up another. Psalms is a good place to find back up to the NT.

5.)Spiritual maturity also has much to do with understanding scripture # 6 on my list. The more you study God’s Word with the guidance of the HS, the more mature you become and the more the HS reveals to you. When you are a baby you drink milk as you grow up you are able to eat real food. This same thing applies to understanding the bible. Actually, I forget where but there is scripture that uses this analogy. People who dont mature in Christ(bible study) can easily be swayed in all different directions.

We all know the scripture 1 Timothy 3: 15–16. This tells me that all I need to know in order to grow in Christ and follow Him accordingly was written in scripture. If people want to follow extra guidelines that is there choice as long as they follow biblical principles first and foremost.

Now I understand that you dont agree with me on much of what I say but this is my belief and I have faith and trust that the HS is leading me to the truth. As I mature as a christian I am becoming stronger and more confident in my beliefs. That is the HS working in me.👍
 
jmcrae said:
Jesus has already promised us that this can never happen.

Do you believe in Jesus? Do you believe that whatever Jesus says is true forever?

If so, then look up Matthew 16:18, and see where He promised us that the gates of Hades can never prevail against Peter or his Successors. (Also look up Isaiah 22, to see the meaning of the “keys” that Jesus is giving to Peter, as well.)

Our trust in the Pope is actually founded on our trust in Jesus. It is because we believe in Jesus and know that Jesus can never lie to us, that we can believe that what He said about the Pope is true. 👍
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As you know protestants and orthodox see this as a gross ,misintrepretation of scripture. That is a whole other thread which there are several of already.😉
 
jmcrae said:
without relying on the burnin’ in the bosom, or other inner feelings of “I just know that I’m right, and that’s that.” (In my case, that particular inner feeling is usually a precursor to me making a complete idiot out of myself, more often than not. 😛 )
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I usually get that “inner feeling” when I eat raw onions. 😛
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Hi,

I believe that God wrote the Scriptures through the HS physically written by men yes. 😃
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At the time that they were writing the books and letters of the New Testament, these 2 Bishops (Luke and Mark) and 6 Apostles (Matthew, John, Paul, Peter, James, and Jude) had the gift of infallibility (were unable to write anything that was not actually true) from the Holy Spirit, right?

(Yes, or no.)
 
jmcrae said:
At the time that they were writing the books and letters of the New Testament, these 2 Bishops (Luke and Mark) and 6 Apostles (Matthew, John, Paul, Peter, James, and Jude) had the gift of infallibility (were unable to write anything that was not actually true) from the Holy Spirit, right?

(Yes, or no.)
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Yes
 
ALLFORHIM said:
As you know protestants and orthodox see this as a gross ,misintrepretation of scripture. That is a whole other thread which there are several of already.😉
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And one side is right, while the other side is wrong. Both sides can’t claim to have the Holy Spirit, while disagreeing on something as fundamental to the right practice of the Christian faith as this. One side has the Holy Spirit, and the other side does not.
 
ALLFORHIM said:
I know I feel the same way.😦
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I don’t think so, my friend in Christ. I don’t think so.

I used to be where you are now. I had trouble accepting certain doctrines of the Church. I just couldn’t get past my objections.

I am telling you the truth. I had to pray to the Holy Spirit to help me. I am a convert to the Catholic Church. It wasn’t until after I prayed to God to help me that the clouds lifted from me. It was like a whole new world to me. The joy of it…well, I don’t expect you want to hear all of this. Let’s just say that it was much more than I ever experienced.

I don’t expect this to change your mind. I’m just saying what happened.
 
jmcrae said:
Good. 🙂

So, the Holy Spirit has the ability to give certain people the gift of infallibility, under certain circumstances - true? or false?
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I want to back up–:o The Apostles were not infallible when writing scripture the scriptures were infallible because they were inspired by the HS written by men. An example–Paul rebuked Peter and they were both Holy men filled with the HS but Peter was wrong. How could Peter have been wrong on doctrine if he was suppose to be the first Pope who taught ex cathedra infallibly? He couldnt have been infallible to begin with. I do not see any evidence in scripture that says men can only understand and intrepret scripture when being infallible.
 
ALLFORHIM said:
I want to back up–:o The Apostles were not infallible when writing scripture the scriptures were infallible because they were inspired by the HS written by men.
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What’s the difference?
An example–Paul rebuked Peter and they were both Holy men filled with the HS but Peter was wrong. How could Peter have been wrong on doctrine if he was suppose to be the first Pope who taught ex cathedra infallibly?
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He wasn’t wrong on doctrine. The reason Paul rebuked him was because he was right on the doctrine, but he was failing to practice it. He was sinning against his own teaching to the Church - that’s why Paul rebuked him.
He couldnt have been infallible to begin with. I do not see any evidence in scripture that says men can only understand and intrepret scripture when being infallible.
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Again - “infallible” is the inability to teach an error. If you are teaching true things, then:
a) you yourself are infallible, or
b) you are relying on an infallible source (such as the teachings of the Church).

Someone who is infallible can still commit sin. They don’t become perfect. Also, Popes and the writers of Scripture are only infallible under certain circumstances. Not all the time.
 
Okay, so let’s back-track.

I asked:
At the time that they were writing the books and letters of the New Testament, these 2 Bishops (Luke and Mark) and 6 Apostles (Matthew, John, Paul, Peter, James, and Jude) had the gift of infallibility (were unable to write anything that was not actually true) from the Holy Spirit, right?
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(Yes, or no.)
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You previously answered “Yes,” but now you want to change your answer to “No.”

If these 2 Bishops (Luke and Mark) and 6 Apostles (Matthew, John, Paul, Peter, James, and Jude) did not have the gift of infallibility (were unable to write anything that was not actually true) from the Holy Spirit, then how can you trust that anything in the Bible is actually true?
 
jmcrae said:
Okay, so let’s back-track.

I asked:

You previously answered “Yes,” but now you want to change your answer to “No.”

If these 2 Bishops (Luke and Mark) and 6 Apostles (Matthew, John, Paul, Peter, James, and Jude) did not have the gift of infallibility (were unable to write anything that was not actually true) from the Holy Spirit, then how can you trust that anything in the Bible is actually true?
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1.) Faith

2.) The bible has proven itself to be true(All the prophesies written came true(except end times–yet) The bible also backs up history books.

I know you already believe this.👍
 
jmcrae said:
How, exactly, does that work?
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Sometimes I highlight too much of the quote and then get an answer to a different comment–sorry:o

What I wanted to know was where in the bible does it say that men can be infallible or have to be infallible to understand or intrepret scripture?😃
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I too have some questions I’d like to ask AFH.

I’d like to begin with this one:

Does God desire us to know the truth about him?

Please answer yes, no, or I don’t know. Elaboration is unnecessary. It’s a simple question.
 
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