Why are they still protesting? What do they want?

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LilyM said:
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PatienceAndHumility:
I’m not sure there really is a just cause for this seemingly perennial protest, in perspective. Now, of course we must acknowledge the genuine injustices many people still encounter.

But regarding “big R” institutional Racism, an enduring residual prejudice will always exist in society between people who are different. Fundamentally however, the issue of institutional racism doesn’t exist in a material way in the West in these modern days- Barack Obama as president showed this. General equality of opportunity also points to this. The meshing of cultures through globalization, will by its very nature take time- there will always remain people who will use race as a dividing issue. But we in the west are very much far ahead of many societies on “diversity”, and this is taken for granted- look at the far East, middle East, Africa in this same regard for example.

Changing peoples hearts, i.e. small mindedness on one side, or indeed inferiority complex on the other, is about something deeper than “social justice”. It’s about God, religion, morality.
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Posts loke.this are the exact reason we need protests to increase awareness.

One in eight Americans is African-American, more than this are Hispanic-American. Yet in your whole history only one person of colour and no Hispanic-American that I am aware of has even been nominated by a major party either as President or VP.

That you have had a black President is certainly a great start, but nowhere near enough that you are entitled to rest on it as if it were a laurel of some sort. Nor is it any sort of evidence that institutional racism is dead. Starting to die, please God, but not dead.
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I’m sorry but i don’t agree one bit with this and i think it creates more division. Identity politics invoked by the left creating issues of thin air to cover their own failures which by the way are compounding in communities that are top to bottom democrat, this tribalism and division, it’s so damaging. Also you talk about a Black President as being progressive, you see this to me seems infantile, think about it, if you didn’t care about race or gender then it shouldn’t matter what color or gender the president is, the BEST person should get the job regardless of that. The fact you want or think it’s progressive that a person of color should get it means you are looking at things through the prism of race

Have you ever watched the Office? The way Michael Scott tries to highlight racism and makes it a bigger issue than it is and ends up embarrassing himself, thats the way people who use identity politics look to me, completely devoid of any rationality and too caught up in trendy issues on social media, the left in the US are not just dividing groups of people in the US, it’s now infecting the world, i just hope it blows over and we come up with solutions to actually help these communities where the true cause is the attack of the family and Christian values that built the west
 
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nicholasG said:
If you don’t know by now there’s nothing I can say.
Sorry.
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This is so wrong in so many ways.

The OP is asking the question with respect and in faith that someone will give clear answer. Esoteric words like “justice” and phrases like “an end to systemic racism” are not clear answers. My idea of “justice” might be very different than your idea of “justice,” and I honestly have no idea what “systemic racism” is or how to deal with it.

Blacks say that whites don’t understand them. Well, it’s obvious that blacks don’t understand whites. There needs to be a sit-down at a very big table and talk, not screaming emotional phrases like “Hands Up Don’t Shoot”.

And there needs to be an acceptance on all sides that people make horrible mistakes and decisions. Cops are human beings and when they become afraid for their lives, they act, and sometimes, that act saves their lives and the lives of others, and sometimes, tragically, that act kills an innocent person. Just goes to show that we all need to be excessively careful to avoid being in settings where we might become the victim, and that we need to expunge any crime or wrongdoing, no matter how small (e.g., trying to pass a bad check) OUT of our lives!

I have not yet heard a discussion about why the policeman who murdered Mr. Floyd was still on the police force after multiple (I’ve heard 17 and 19, not sure which is true) complaints of “excessive force” were made against him over the years. This man should have been furloughed and required to attend additional training after the first complaint, disciplined (with pay withheld) after the second complaint, and FIRED after the third complaint–3 strikes, you’re out.

I think after this incident, it will become ONE strike and you’re out–and this will mean that we will have a much smaller police force, as everyone makes mistakes, and the mistakes of police sometime have deadly consequences. But a smaller police force MIGHT work–IF we can convince criminals to stop committing crime. Lotsa luck with that one. If a “one strike you’re out” rule is established, I look for crime to increase exponentially in the U.S., and many innocent people will suffer and die as criminals have essentially free reign over the innocent citizens.
 
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Regarding racism in the West- bad compared to what though? Its not perfect. But is it bad relatively too? Relative to history. Or relative to other regions. The reason I bought up the far East, middle East and Africa is to highlight that a sense of perspective has been lost here, with regards to the lengths we in the west go to promote diversity. The battle is already largely won. What is happening now is a degenerative effort to eradicate culture for the sake of absolute equality
 
PatienceAndHumility said:
t. But is it bad relatively too? Relative to history. Or relative to other regions
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Should I not complain that somebody broke my fingers, because in my father’s time they would have amputated my arm?
PatienceAndHumility said:
The battle is already largely won.
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I think George Floyd would disagree.
PatienceAndHumility said:
What is happening now is a degenerative effort to eradicate culture for the sake of absolute equality
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What?

The protesters want an end to racial murders and brutality. How is that ‘eradicating culture’? What culture is under threat? The culture of racial bigotry? The culture of ‘cops can beat up black people and it’s okay’?
 
PatienceAndHumility said:
But regarding “big R” institutional Racism, an enduring residual prejudice will always exist in society between people who are different. Fundamentally however, the issue of institutional racism doesn’t exist in a material way in the West in these modern days- Barack Obama as president showed this. General equality of opportunity also points to this.
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Disproving Institutional Racism is more complicated than pointing to the election of a black president. There is an over representation of minorities being stoped by police and convicted of crimes, and part of that is policies within police departments that disfavor minorities:

Findings of Police Bias in Baltimore Validate What Many Have Long Felt
a data-rich indictment of how Baltimore police officers have for years violated the Constitution and federal law by systematically stopping, searching (in some cases strip-searching) and harassing black residents — gave him a jolt.
 
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Zaccheus said:
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PatienceAndHumility:
t. But is it bad relatively too? Relative to history. Or relative to other regions
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Should I not complain that somebody broke my fingers, because in my father’s time they would have amputated my arm?
PatienceAndHumility said:
The battle is already largely won.
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I think George Floyd would disagree.
PatienceAndHumility said:
What is happening now is a degenerative effort to eradicate culture for the sake of absolute equality
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What?

The protesters want an end to racial murders and brutality. How is that ‘eradicating culture’? What culture is under threat? The culture of racial bigotry? The culture of ‘cops can beat up black people and it’s okay’?
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I’m sorry but your obviously not reading the facts. What happened to George Floyd was wrong but is hardly and example of systemic racism, you need stats for that and the stats how unarmed white people are more likely to be killed than unarmed black people, did you know that?


What do you think is going to happen when these ultra leftists get their way by cutting the funding of the police thus less police patrols in their communities? it happened before which caused homicides in black communities to rise. I don’t think the left cares at all, all they care about is creating division to then get their democrat politicians elected as the solution. Politicians who have continuously added to the issues of these communities. There’s been so much venom created by these leftist in recent times using identity politics, from the ultra feminists in their male hating campaigns, pushing of gender indifference and sexual identity politics. In the end it’s the white man’s fault for society’s problems, it couldn’t be their own, oh no
 
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Re your first point- much of the widescale agitation is about more than racism. It is about loss of religion and reason for being. With such existential matters, it is difficult to have absolutes like the situation you describe- of course amputation is worse…

George Floyd is the poor soul at the heart of this. It was a grave injustice, what happened to him. But the protests are being used in his name, in the promotion of other causes (when we speak at a fundamental level). Of course, the intentions of most are good. I do not doubt that.

When I said “what is happening now” I meant on a wider biblical scale. I.e. globalism and the way it is suffused into society methodically
 
A number of african americans disagree.


It appears they are starting to see the Democrat party for what it is; an entity that uses the black community for votes but provides little in return.
 
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Reminds me of a South Park episode.

“Jesse Jackson is not the emperor of black people!”
 
With a few exceptions, I think most of the posters here have answered the question “What are they protesting about?” with breathtaking precision. They are protesting against your attitudes. They are protesting against you.
 
What do they want? They want their dream to come true:

“I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.”

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
 
How about more accountability for their own actions? If curfew is at 8 pm and I “choose” to stay out later, should I not be held accountable for my decision to stay out later?

This is the decision I “chose” which leads to the police coming to me in the first place. I started this. I “chose” to stay out. No one made me stay out. If I go home at 7:45 pm, I am not putting myself in any sort of position for a negative consequence. I would need to “choose” to abide by the law for this to play out safely which is the issue.

These situations have involved all types of races of people in the videos we keep seeing. Every human being makes choices for themselves. My first thought when I saw the video was the same as most people. The officers actions were indefensible. The situation was under control and all 4 officers were acting atrociously. It never should have happened. I hope all 4 get the strictest rulings possible. We would agree on this as well.
 
Agreed. I have to tell my young kids occasionally to “use your words” not just throw toys around.

I sure hope that when all this is done “we” can actually sit down in chairs at a table and rationally discuss what needs to change. There are most definitely things that Police Officers can and need to do different. There are also things that the community members can and need to do different.
 
It is just an expression of changing times. Robots and artificial intelligence bring us from the man-man competition into man-machine competition and we see - who is winning. The wage share of of income is declining, the capital share is increasing (Wage share - Wikipedia) and where it leads? The gig economy, job insecurity, job taylorisation and dualisation, zero-hour contracts, etc. etc. etc.

Technological changes require the changes in society but those are not happening. Well - we can be angry with police behavior, with Trump, with China, with gay mane and gender supporters and so many things. But the truth is - the world is different some 30-40 years ago. The prospects are worse, the fight for bread and education and healthcare is strong.

Technologies can make the world the better place but in the framework of profit based decision making and ethical-less owners they can make the world worse.

We are not talking about his, yet everyone feels that something is wrong and more changes are necessary. Andrew Yang had some ideas, but the society is still trying to conceptualize whats happening. And so - meanwhile is this anger, meanwhile is this goal-less wandering and angering at every direction.

But we should see the signs of time and interpret them. And only then the situation will change. Lets go deeper, lets have some analysis and reflection!
 
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