WHY are you NOT a Catholic?

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I’m a Catholic revert but I’ve been having thoughts of leaving the church again.

I had come back to the faith in search of answers to my depression that ruined my life. I’ve been a shadow of my former self ever since. But through God’s grace, I’m here today because I was completely resolved at one point that life wasn’t worth living.

But now I live out of obligation to my daughter, but with little joy and no hope for the future. I feel like I’m buried under my cross. I don’t want to suffer for the rest of my life in the hopes that I will be redeemed
when I die. I’m a brutal sinner, plagued by weak faith and often live in regret because of the affects of my decisions caused by my mental issues. Endless novenas, praying the rosary and weekly confessions and very little has changed over the years. All I ask for is the opportunity to use my gifts to the best of my ability and to support my family. I have received signal graces, but I’m beginning to wonder if God is calling me in a different direction.

Where I live in The Netherlands, Catholicism is dead. My church consists mainly of tourists and expats that only stay in the country for awhile. There is little camaraderie among people here that I feel like an outsider. I feel so alone and often times empty during mass.

I was recently approached by two people on the street asking if I would like to join their non denominational Christian church. They embraced me and prayed for me, and I nearly broke down in public. They made me feel welcome and have even since reached out to me.

I reminisce about a time I visited my cousin’s church, which was also a non denominational church. These are country folk and to be frank, I found it a bit creepy that the service felt like I was watching a game show. But I felt welcomed when I was introduced and there was a real Christian attitude among everyone. These are simple people with simple lives, and they use analogies of hills with peaks and valleys to describe life. They have no interest in deep philosophical discussions, talking about the transfiguration or the sacraments.

I admire my cousin, who has also gone through more than anyone I know. Her mother died when she was in her early teens, her father a decade later and than her younger sister. She developed an auto-immune disease as a result of all the stress and now she is on the verge of bankruptcy as they need money to pay for her husband’s cancer treatments. Yet she plugs on without complaint, full of hope and optimism and often talks about her personal relationship with God.

I will admit that the Catholic church is the fullness of Truth. But I also believe God embraces all Christians, regardless of the Truth. I can only ascertain this through my experience with my cousin and her faith. Perhaps meeting these strangers is his way of giving me direction and fellowship that is sorely lacking in my life.

Please pray for me.
 
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Where I live in The Netherlands, Catholicism is dead.
Do you think it might revive sometime? I have very fond memories of the Catholic church I attended a few times as a tourist in Tilburg. I was not a “good Catholic” at that point but I was attending a metal festival at Popcentrum and the church was literally across the street ringing its bell and it was Easter or Palm Sunday so I thought I should go. It seemed to have attendees, but maybe that’s because it was Holy Week. I’d like to go back and see it again, lovely place.
 
They have no interest in deep philosophical discussions, talking about the transfiguration or the sacraments.
A lot of us don’t. I’m very basic. So were my parents. I accept that some others enjoy philosophy but it’s always hit me as mostly a giant waste of time that could be better spent producing some useful, awesome thing like a new invention or a knitted sweater, or even just enjoying one’s family, friends, ham sandwich, etc
 
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I’ve never been to Tilburg. But I know there is a bit of a Bible Belt in the South of the country.

As for attendance, my church does draw a good number of people but there is just one English mass during the week. Mass in Dutch is more frequent but attendance is sparse. I recall during Christmas a few years back, with the church packed, the priest reminded everyone quite diplomatically the importance of taking the Eucharist in a state of grace, that attending church once a year does not warrant receiving communion, something along those lines. At least half the church did not go up for communion.

I doubt that the faith will return here. There is somewhat a disdain among the younger generation towards Christianity. I do see there are many young women who attend mass by themselves, quite a high ratio when compared to families. But these are likely international students and not locals.
 
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I highly respect and honor your presentation of the Catholic faith, your dedication to it. I’ve read at the request of a number of Catholics about this.
There is a difference between primacy, which I accept, and supremacy, which Orthodox and western non-Catholic Christians reject on scriptural and historic grounds.
It is ground zero of the division of the Church Catholic. It is the issue that must be resolved… by the patriarchs of the Church.
Pray for the day.
 
May GOD guide your path, but until and unless you seek TRUTH which logically and MORALLY can only be singular per defined issue YOUR salvation is endangered

PRAY very much, friend you don’t know more or know better than YOUR God

Blessings,
Patrick.
 
What my friend John are the scriptural grounds of which you speak?

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
I’m trying to be a Catholic. I want to be. I’ve tried for around ten years now. A lot of things keep getting in the way. The closer I come, the more it seems to slip away from me. I was raised in an extremely anti-Catholic cult and endured a lot of abuse and conditioning, for lack of a better word. Even going into a Catholic church a painful and torturous experience most of the time. The day I was supposed to be baptized, another personality came out and prevented it somehow. I can’t really remember. Then after I moved abroad, I had little free time and for some reason didn’t use it to go about that. I guess I have a lot of issues that I’m unable to confront or resolve because I seem to have some horrible conflict keeping me from doing what I believe I should. I haven’t even felt good about Catholicism in like seven or eight years anyway, but I know feelings aren’t important when it comes to that stuff. Still, when it feels disgusting to genuflect and blasphemous and otherwise disturbing messages run through your mind to the point where you are too overwhelmed to even notice what’s going on, and your good efforts feel fake and useless, it’s hard to push yourself to come at all. Anyway, I just got back to the US and am having to start my life over again, so when I’m in a stable situation, I will do my best to join the Church. I wish it didn’t have to be so difficult and torturous, but since it is, I would really appreciate any prayers.
 
My dear FRIEND in Christ,

I’m the OP and not a psychologist, and will suggest to you tat you would do well to speak privately to your Catholic Pastor about your issues and concerns.

I will therefore address only your closing remarks:

Here my friend is what the Bible has to say about any and all CATHOLICS who choose to abandon Her for ANY Reason:

Heb 6: 1-12 "Heb.4 Verses 1 to 12

"For it is impossible [UNLESS ONE REPENTS AND RECONVERTS] to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened,[BAPTIZED INTO THE RCC] who have tasted the heavenly gift, [JESUS CHRIST IN PERSON GOD] and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, [CONFIRMED IN THE CATHOLIC FAITH WHICH CREATES A PERSONAL COVENANT BETWEEN YOU AND GOD]
and have tasted the goodness of the word of God [BEEN INSTRUCTED IN THE ONE TRUE FAITH OF CHRIST] and the powers of the age to come, [INFUSION OF GRACE OFFERED TO YOU] if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt. For land which has drunk the rain that often falls upon it, and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed; its end is to be burned. Though we speak thus, yet in your case, beloved, we feel sure of better things that belong to salvation. For God is not so unjust as to overlook your work and the love which you showed for his sake in serving the saints, as you still do. And we desire each one of you to show the same earnestness in realizing the full assurance of hope until the end, so that you may not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

To be clear here: Anyone for ANY reason who chooses to leave the RCC is endangering their salvation.

Further it is a moral, logical and theological IMPOSSIBILITY that GOD would hold ALL “Christian” faiths to somehow be equal


John.1: 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

John.14: 6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me. ALL SINGULAR TENSE

Matt.16: 18 to 19 And I tell YOU, YOU are Peter, and on[PETER] this rock I will build my church, [SINGULAR] and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
I will give YOU [ALL IMPLIED HERE] the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever YOU bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever YOU loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

THIS IS DIRECT, PRECISE & EXCLUSIVE

GOD WHO CAN BE DESCRIBED AS ALL GOOD THINGS PERFECTED, COULD NOT BE GOD AND ACCEPT EQUALITY OF CHRISTIAN FAITHS WHICH ARE BUILT ON HALF-TRUTH, WRONG UNDERSTANDING, AND VERY HUMAN APPEALING-INNOVATIONS

Friend, Mass is ALL about GOD, not about us or how it makes US feel. You can NOT encounter GOD in Person in any other Protestant church or faith. … THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING GIVING UP

See your Pastor ASAP and PRAY very much,

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
Should you have difficulty finding a parish, PLEASE let us know, maybe we can be of help.

PRAY very much

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
Dear FRIEND,

I’m the OP

It is critically important for you to make an appointment to speak privately with a Catholic Priest about all that has been going on. YOU’LL be very glad that you did!

TRY to pray every day for Jesus to help you! And I’ll pray for you too

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
So dipping my toe is shark infested waters, as an atheist and former catholic, I’ll throw some of my reasons.
  1. Magic. When non-christians use magic, it’s the devil. When christians use magic, it’s a miracle. Take ressurecting the dead. When Jesus does it, it’s an incredible and wonderful act of god. When it’s the Egyptians, it’s either just a myth or the devil.
  2. Demons. There are no monsters under the bed. Most kids learn this at around 5 or 6. Seeing grown adults being afraid of spooky ghosts is embarrassing. Possessions are laughably false, or the result of drugs/mental illness. Exorcists are hustlers taking advantage of people with problems that require a medical professional.
  3. God. The Christian god is the most nebulous and vague concept of a deity I’ve ever seen. His character swings wildly between stories. Sometimes he’s patient to an absurd degree and sometimes he wipes out civilizations without warning. His power starts out rather minor and limited in the Old Testament and it grows until he’s #1 perfect Mary Sue by the New Testament.
  4. Heaven/ hell. Heaven and hell have also gone through tons of changes over the centuries. Heaven is the most simplistic and yet contradictory afterlife I’ve ever seen. Hell ain’t much better. People can’t even agree on what it is. Is it fire? Personal torture? “Separation from god”? 2000 years and the interpretations are so still so vague.
I got more, but I’m doing this on my phone and it’s getting excruciating. One more quick thing; there is absolutely no way to actually go to these until it’s too late. Unfalsifyability is not a feature, it’s a bug
 
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Your understanding of things is incredibly shallow.

I can’t help but think the vast majority of people who leave the Church do so because they are poorly catechized and don’t understand her teachings.

Your post further confirms that suspicion to me.
 
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What my friend John are the scriptural grounds of which you speak?

God Bless you,
Patrick
Pat,
This is one topic that I struggle to engage because I know how central the Papacy is to Catholics. So I won’t engage long here.
While there is no doubt that St Peter is the leader of the apostles, there is little if any evidence of the kind of supremacy now afforded the Pope. The early councils do not show it. Even Catholics will talk about the development of this doctrine.

Jon
 
I’m writing from my phone. I’m obviously simplifying things, I’m just throwing out some of the concepts I take issue with. And saying “you just don’t understand” isn’t a response.
 
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So dipping my toe is shark infested waters, as an atheist and former catholic, I’ll throw some of my reasons
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**“Magic. When non-christians use magic, it’s the devil. When christians use magic, it’s a miracle. Take resurrecting the dead. When Jesus does it, it’s an incredible and wonderful act of god. When it’s the Egyptians, it’s either just a myth or the devi”**l.

My friend, I appreciate your candor, and will reply in kind as the OP

The issue you’re unaware of struggling with in a WORD is TRUTH which logically can only be singular per defined issue.

The Norm for describing any religious practice is termed FAITH “Now faith is the substance of things to be hoped for, the evidence of things that appear not.”
Hebrews 11:]

Demons. There are no monsters under the bed. Most kids learn this at around 5 or 6. Seeing grown adults being afraid of spooky ghosts is embarrassing. Possessions are laughably false, or the result of drugs/mental illness. Exorcists are hustlers taking advantage of people with problems that require a medical profession

You’re either uninformed or wishing this be true

God. The Christian god is the most nebulous and vague concept of a deity I’ve ever seen. His character swings wildly between stories. Sometimes he’s patient to an absurd degree and sometimes he wipes out civilizations without warning. His power starts out rather minor and limited in the Old Testament and it grows until he’s #1 perfect Mary Sue by the New Testament.

Friend were YOU aware that EVERY-TIME YOU look into a mirror YOU see GOD?
Genesis 1:26-27 compared to John 4:23-24 and exactly WHY and How that is?

Heaven/ hell. Heaven and hell have also gone through tons of changes over the centuries. Heaven is the most simplistic and yet contradictory afterlife I’ve ever seen. Hell ain’t much better. People can’t even agree on what it is. Is it fire? Personal torture? “Separation from god”? 2000 years and the interpretations are so still so vague.

SPACE is GREATLY restricted here on CAF, if you’d care to know about this PLEASE PM me [the OP] PJM

I got more, but I’m doing this on my phone and it’s getting excruciating. One more quick thing; there is absolutely no way to actually go to these until it’s too late. Unfalsifyability is not a feature, it’s a bug
 
Thanks Jon,

And that is because the Church is Organic

Read Mt 10:1-8 and compare it to Mt 28:18-20. So it is Christ HIMSELF that instituted as an absolute necessity Papal [a theological term, NOT used BUT fully comprehended by the early Fathers including some Easter Fathers. … GOOGLE Father on the Papacy as I suggested eariler.

I CAN supply [if space allowed] “50 Peter First” which too CAN be GOOGLED.

The Councils didn’t show it BECAUSE it was an accepted FACT

Catholic “talk about” the development of the TERM< not do much the position

God Bless you Jon,

Pat.
 
Thanks a lot for your kind reply. I have and the priest was made too uncomfortable about the things I told him (especially when other personalities came out which happens more under stressful situations like revealing painful secrets) and he admitted he didn’t understand it or how to deal with it. Another one from a different part of the state I met once was more helpful but I found it extremely difficult at best to follow some of his advice. The first one did his best I’m sure but was at times insensitive or moody (and I get he’s human too) but it was traumatic at times to finally talk a bit about those things and to get less than sensitive or helpful replies. I honestly don’t ever want to talk to a priest about anything I don’t strictly have to anymore, because I can be spread only so thin before I crack and say screw it all. God forbid. Anyway priests don’t have the time or inclination if they do to sit around and listen to someone like me and the advice is always the same: say your Rosary, St. Michael prayer, etc. when I can pray sometimes I do but sometimes I don’t even for some reason even though it’s supposed to help.
 
By the way thanks for your prayers, I really appreciate that and sorry I forgot to mention it in my last post
 
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