Why aren't atheists joyful?

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Jeremy:
You said “there are good and bad people in every group”, referring to atheists and to Christians. But if good and bad are completely determined by societal rules, I need to know what society you were referring to, in order to put your statement into its required context.
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Ok, then take these societies for an example:
USA
Germany
Japan
China
 
What if the Muslims were right, and you end up in their hell. Wouldn’t that be worse?
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I suppose that it would be worse for both of us in that case, maybe you more so then me .
Ending up in a place where I’d loose my freedom. That includes some visions of heaven.
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As in clouds and harps? I have a feeling that heaven is place that is beyond imagination in its perfection.
Science in the first place. A god explains nothing, but everything can be explained without one. Granted, the latter not yet, but mankind is working on that.
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It will take mankind ten thousands years to even scratch the surface of knowledge. We think we are advanced but we are actually just children who have come up with a few inventions in the last 150 years. Science provides technology, the human heart is what causes things like world wars and abortion. God seems more interested in getting down to the real problem here.
Well, he certainly did affect history alot. As for the sheer numbers, I’d say Buddha and Confutius have both reached more people for a longer time period. And Mohammed comes quite close.
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The teachings of Christ are totally perfect and beyond question in my opinion. For example the United States was founded by a bunch of Christians. I don’t see Confucius or Buddha as anything more than philosophers. The Islamic world seems to be back in the dark ages and still trying to catch up. The Christian nations of the world seem to be quite blessed in spite of all of our errors.

If you really consider what this world would be right now if Christ had never come it is quite bad. Perhaps the Roman Empire would still exist on a global level. Right now the largest Christian church in history is based right in Rome and Christian nations lead the world. I can’t see this as a fluke, I see it as evidence for atheist to consider. Christian teachings have influenced history and people for two thousand years and the results are huge and overwhelming. How would the world be if atheist had been leading the charge for last 2 thousand years? Sounds like a world of chaos to me without united principles on any level at all.

-D
 
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Darrel:
Christian teachings have influenced history and people for two thousand years and the results are huge and overwhelming. How would the world be if atheist had been leading the charge for last 2 thousand years? Sounds like a world of chaos to me without united principles on any level at all.

-D
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When was the last time the “Christian” nations actually followed Christ’s teachings? Never. The US grew to world dominance in part because it had an opportunity to grow to tremendous size in a land of great natural wealth taken from a people of limited defenisive means. Had the initial settlers been muslim it would have been the same story. Also don’t forget that our nation was built upon exploitation of others, not something for christians to really celebrate, right? On top of that add in the truly abyssmal actions of our government including deliberately infecting poor blacks with syphilus, the japanese internment camps, the use of nuclear weapons on civilian targets, and so on.

Your Christian nation seems pretty un-Christ like. At least with atheists running things you wouldn’t be left to explain the things done in God’s name but not to his will.
 
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Darrel:
The teachings of Christ are totally perfect and beyond question in my opinion.
Not in mine obviously.
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For example the United States was founded by a bunch of Christians.
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What has that to do with anything? Germany was founded by a bunch of Christians as well. Japan not. So?
I don’t see Confucius or Buddha as anything more than philosophers. The Islamic world seems to be back in the dark ages and still trying to catch up.
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No argument from me
The Christian nations of the world seem to be quite blessed in spite of all of our errors.
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That’s due to the freedom in those nations and not Christianity. All those nations struggled hard to sever the state from religion.
How would the world be if atheist had been leading the charge for last 2 thousand years? Sounds like a world of chaos to me without united principles on any level at all.
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No principles? What about freedom of speech? Sounds like a good atheistic principle to me.
 
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Tlaloc:
When was the last time the “Christian” nations actually followed Christ’s teachings? Never. The US grew to world dominance in part because it had an opportunity to grow to tremendous size in a land of great natural wealth taken from a people of limited defenisive means. Had the initial settlers been muslim it would have been the same story. Also don’t forget that our nation was built upon exploitation of others, not something for christians to really celebrate, right? On top of that add in the truly abyssmal actions of our government including deliberately infecting poor blacks with syphilus, the japanese internment camps, the use of nuclear weapons on civilian targets, and so on.

Your Christian nation seems pretty un-Christ like. At least with atheists running things you wouldn’t be left to explain the things done in God’s name but not to his will.
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Not to mention Planned parenthood and their eugenics making abortion the number on kiler of blacks,right TLALOC?
 
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Tlaloc:
When was the last time the “Christian” nations actually followed Christ’s teachings? Never. The US grew to world dominance in part because it had an opportunity to grow to tremendous size in a land of great natural wealth taken from a people of limited defenisive means. Had the initial settlers been muslim it would have been the same story. Also don’t forget that our nation was built upon exploitation of others, not something for christians to really celebrate, right? On top of that add in the truly abyssmal actions of our government including deliberately infecting poor blacks with syphilus, the japanese internment camps, the use of nuclear weapons on civilian targets, and so on.

Your Christian nation seems pretty un-Christ like. At least with atheists running things you wouldn’t be left to explain the things done in God’s name but not to his will.
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When was the last time “atheist” nations followed atheists’ principles? :hmmm: Let’s think…Communism is Atheist! And So is Facisim! So, if we find a nation formed on the elightened principles of atheists we should find a Utopia right? Coarse the word “Utopia” originally meant “nowhere”…but we’ll not go there this time…

Let’s look at those Communist and Fascist Nations…Stalin killed 20 million of his own people, and lost 20 million of his people fighting a Fascist (in a war that was won despite his leadership rather than because of it) Pol-Pot…in Cambodia…ever see “The Killing Fields”?

Hitler…do I need to say anything about him?

One can claim all kinds of evils against a “Christian” nation (we are more of a secularist humanist nation…but those values are still an outgrowth of our christian beginings) but to really supress, kill, and torture…you need an Atheist in command, someone who believes that there will be no judgement of his actions after he dies. (even a Brutal Islamic Dicatatorship has proven less lethal than an atheistic one)
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
Not to mention Planned parenthood and their eugenics making abortion the number on kiler of blacks,right TLALOC?
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How precisely does one commit genocide with a service that is optional, Lisa?
 
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Bixbyg:
When was the last time “atheist” nations followed atheists’ principles? :hmmm: Let’s think…Communism is Atheist! And So is Facisim! So, if we find a nation formed on the elightened principles of atheists we should find a Utopia right? Coarse the word “Utopia” originally meant “nowhere”…but we’ll not go there this time…

Let’s look at those Communist and Fascist Nations…Stalin killed 20 million of his own people, and lost 20 million of his people fighting a Fascist (in a war that was won despite his leadership rather than because of it) Pol-Pot…in Cambodia…ever see “The Killing Fields”?

Hitler…do I need to say anything about him?

One can claim all kinds of evils against a “Christian” nation (we are more of a secularist humanist nation…but those values are still an outgrowth of our christian beginings) but to really supress, kill, and torture…you need an Atheist in command, someone who believes that there will be no judgement of his actions after he dies. (even a Brutal Islamic Dicatatorship has proven less lethal than an atheistic one)
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Your argument is really that “Christian” nations commit atrocities with slightly lower body count than atheists? Well if that really passes your standard of good government welcome to it. Personally I’d shoot a bit higher. For one thing I wouldn’t describe any nation as “Christian” that engages in any atrocities whatsoever. Might be a better starting point. Just a suggestion.
 
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Tlaloc:
How precisely does one commit genocide with a service that is optional, Lisa?
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By using what was called change agentry by the nazis which Margerate sanger studied, to convince people by terminology that the unborn are not human persons,hence creating an environment where the unacceptable is accepted,creating a ideology that portrays the target aka unborn as an aggressor that will make you poor and ruin your life.Finally, strategically placing the mills in predominately black neighborhoods, oh, also paying the Pastors to preach it from the pulpit.God Bless
And people who propagate that you can do evil to try to achieve good.
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
By using what was called change agentry by the nazis which Margerate sanger studied, to convince people by terminology that the unborn are not human persons,hence creating an environment where the unacceptable is accepted,creating a ideology that portrays the target aka unborn as an aggressor that will make you poor and ruin your life.Finally, strategically placing the mills in predominately black neighborhoods, oh, also paying the Pastors to preach it from the pulpit.God Bless
And people who propagate that you can do evil to try to achieve good.
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Lets say for argument’s sake that I accept everything you said above. You still have yet to point out how that constitutes genocide. No one is forced to get an abortion in the US. There is no compulsion. Only a service provided to those who wish to engage it.
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
By using what was called change agentry by the nazis which Margerate sanger studied, to convince people by terminology that the unborn are not human persons, …
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Do you have references?

I certainly do not want to argue in favour of national socialism or abortion, but afaik in Germany abortion was outlawed (§216 StGB) since 1871, when the first nationwide law was established. That law existed ever since, meaning during the nazi era as well, and was weakened in the 60s allowing abortions within the first 12month of pregancy.

So I am wondering, who this Margarete Sanger (Sänger ?) is and what her connection to the nazis is…
 
One could equally ask" Why aren’t Catholics joyful"? I have visited many Catholic churches were the members of the congregation were gloomy, with woebegone or sullen expressions, refusing to smile, reluctant to greet anyone. Maybe we should take the beam out of our own eyes before we worry about the splinter in others.
 
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maklavan:
One could equally ask" Why aren’t Catholics joyful"? I have visited many Catholic churches were the members of the congregation were gloomy, with woebegone or sullen expressions, refusing to smile, reluctant to greet anyone. Maybe we should take the beam out of our own eyes before we worry about the splinter in others.
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When people are deep in prayer, it can sometimes be mistaken for an expression of gloom or melancholy. Catholics emphasize worship over fellowship.
 
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AnAtheist:
Do you have references?

I certainly do not want to argue in favour of national socialism or abortion, but afaik in Germany abortion was outlawed (§216 StGB) since 1871, when the first nationwide law was established. That law existed ever since, meaning during the nazi era as well, and was weakened in the 60s allowing abortions within the first 12month of pregancy.

So I am wondering, who this Margarete Sanger (Sänger ?) is and what her connection to the nazis is…
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Hello,AnAtheist,I will give you a few references now and if you want more I will certainly provide them.🙂 God Bless
learninc.org/articles/eugenics.html/

all.org/issues/eugenics.htm

eugenics.net/papers/3rdreich.html/

blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

pro-choicenazi.com/Pro-Choice_Nazi_Abortion_Facts/
 
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AnAtheist:
Do you have references?

I certainly do not want to argue in favour of national socialism or abortion, but afaik in Germany abortion was outlawed (§216 StGB) since 1871, when the first nationwide law was established. That law existed ever since, meaning during the nazi era as well, and was weakened in the 60s allowing abortions within the first 12month of pregancy.

So I am wondering, who this Margarete Sanger (Sänger ?) is and what her connection to the nazis is…
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Margaret Sanger is the founderess of planned parenthood,the information I have provided will give you more details:)
 
Just by looking at the URLs, I doubt that the resources listed above qualify as unbiased (and perhaps not even factually correct), so for balance look at what what Planned Parenthood has to say.
 
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wolpertinger:
Just by looking at the URLs, I doubt that the resources listed above qualify as unbiased (and perhaps not even factually correct), so for balance look at what what Planned Parenthood has to say.
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Just as a side note do you expect planned parenthood to be unbiased?:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: There is documentation on the site I give;) I have added an atheist site for you guys:D An atheist is very nice and has allowed me a special prayer privilage so I am hoping he won’t have to use the atheist site long:yup: God Bless you
 
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Tlaloc:
When was the last time the “Christian” nations actually followed Christ’s teachings? Never. The US grew to world dominance in part because it had an opportunity to grow to tremendous size in a land of great natural wealth taken from a people of limited defenisive means. Had the initial settlers been muslim it would have been the same story. Also don’t forget that our nation was built upon exploitation of others, not something for christians to really celebrate, right? On top of that add in the truly abyssmal actions of our government including deliberately infecting poor blacks with syphilus, the japanese internment camps, the use of nuclear weapons on civilian targets, and so on.

Your Christian nation seems pretty un-Christ like. At least with atheists running things you wouldn’t be left to explain the things done in God’s name but not to his will.
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Yes,

Like every country we have done a million things that are wrong, the list can go on forever. Yet I love my country and I wouldn’t wish to live anyplace else short of heaven. If you examine any countries history or even the churches history you will find some list of wrongful things done.

In spite of the atrocities committed by the US we still have the right to post how horrible it is right here in this forum without the secret police kicking in our door. In the days when Christ was walking the Earth before his crucifixion you would be crucified for speaking against Rome.

I totally agree that the United States has done a slew of evil things, yet we still seem blessed. The people don’t actually reflect the government’s actions. If you take a drive through any town in the United States you will see a Christian Church of one sort or another. That can’t be said about Iran or Iraq. There are still some good things about this country. The whole world seems to have a problem with the US, we are called arrogant and power hungry by most of Europe. In a way they are correct, yet when they need something who do they come to? People run countries, so there will obviously be corruption and evil.

-D
 
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Darrel:
The whole world seems to have a problem with the US, we are called arrogant and power hungry by most of Europe. In a way they are correct, yet when they need something who do they come to? People run countries, so there will obviously be corruption and evil.
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Yep, the US are the Roman Empire of today. In 1500 years people will remember it only in English (dead language by then) classes. Tempora mutantur, et imperia mutantur.
 
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