Why can't Muslims take a joke?

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antonyrp:
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extermination of Danes by the muzzies
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We in the west have this funny if not tragic notion that you can reason with a religion bent on subjugating the world. Its two steps forward one step back for the Muslims, always making progress in the right direction while we shrink from the scene. The theocrats of the Muslim world know what the ultimate goal is, but we seem to think that if “we can only reason and talk things out” things will be different. Oh, they will be different alright, but it may not be to our liking though. I am not fooled by the sunny side of Islam.
 
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TobyLue:
like in December through January a Danish Muslim group went throughout the Middle East showing these cartoons to religious and political leaders. What was the motive? Personally I believe there was only one. Inciting riots. So one of Lebanon’s leading clerics is demanding the hands be cut off of those that drew those cartoons. They will not accept apologies. They want war. This is the religion that Muslims here and around the world keep insisting that it is a religion of peace? I hope that this wakes up the rest of the world to the true colors of Islam.
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Toby, I agree that that the chronology is odd. Yes, it seems as if a handful of people were trying to stir unrest. You cite a Lebanese cleric who wants to chop off hands. These are extremists who need to be repudiated.

But I don’t see how you go from discussing a small number of extremists to condemning an entire religion. It seems to be countering hate with hate… in which case, the extremists have won. I don’t think you should hand them victory so easily.
 
Guar Fan:
Toby, I agree that that the chronology is odd. Yes, it seems as if a handful of people were trying to stir unrest. You cite a Lebanese cleric who wants to chop off hands. These are extremists who need to be repudiated.

But I don’t see how you go from discussing a small number of extremists to condemning an entire religion. It seems to be countering hate with hate… in which case, the extremists have won. I don’t think you should hand them victory so easily.
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What makes you think they arent going to win anyway, regardless of how we feel?
 
Guar Fan
These are extremists who need to be repudiated.
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And who in the Muslim world is doing the repudiating?
But I don’t see how you go from discussing a small number of extremists to condemning an entire religion. It seems to be countering hate with hate… in which case, the extremists have won. I don’t think you should hand them victory so easily.
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This is what has been pointed out time and time again. If the majority of Muslims standy idly by while these small extremists are running around rampant, their silence speaks volumes. I dont think what has being pointed out is trying to counter hate with hate. Its just bringing out the facts that proof that Islam is not what it claims to be. To show where they are wrong it not being hateful. To show the actions of these “small number of extremists” is not being hateful.
 
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TobyLue:
Guar Fan And who in the Muslim world is doing the repudiating?
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Actually, Muslim leaders are speaking out against it. But their words don’t make headlines in the West and tend to be buried within the text of news articles.

For example,
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BBC:
Lebanon’s most prominent Sunni leader, Saad al-Hariri, vowed to track down and prosecute those involved in the attacks.

“We tell our Christian brothers that any stone thrown against a house or a car was an insult to Muslims,” he said from Paris.
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was stuck halfway through a BBC news item, right before the “In other developments” section.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4682560.stm
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TobyLue:
If the majority of Muslims standy idly by while these small extremists are running around rampant, their silence speaks volumes.
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Not necessarily. Recall how the news media tends to ignore the reconstruction of Iraq if favor of covering the ongoing violence. It doesn’t mean that there is no reconstruction - only that it isn’t getting covered. Remember the newsroom slogan “If if bleeds, it leads”.
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TobyLue:
I dont think what has being pointed out is trying to counter hate with hate. Its just bringing out the facts that proof that Islam is not what it claims to be.
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Its illogical to condemn an entire religion because of the actions of a small fraction of irresponsible adherents. Surely you don’t want to call Catholicism the religion of pedophiles do you?
 
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Pjs2ejs:
I remember seeing some kid wearing a shirt that said something profane about Jesus. I was offended. Should I have had a sense of humor? I’m sure the bozo thought it was funny.

Rule of thumb: If someone would be offended by something you say or write, don’t say or write it.
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Yes, I agree, but there’s a difference. How many embassies did you burn down after you saw that shirt?
 
Its illogical to condemn an entire religion because of the actions of a small fraction of irresponsible adherents. Surely you don’t want to call Catholicism the religion of pedophiles do you?
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So when was the last time that your bishop called for a jihad. When was the last time that Catholics ran rampant burning and killing because of some TV or other tihngs making fun of Catholicism. When that actress some years back on TV made fun of the Pope and tore a picture in front of millions, how many Bishops called for her head. What you refer to “actions of a small fraction” are you forgetting the history of Islam? Oh,yes I can tell that there are many Muslims speaking out against the demonstrations thats why they are so, so many peaceful demonstrations throughout the world and the news are just ignorning them and the larger fraction of muslims demanding a stop to the violence. Hmmm,
 
Let’s get one thing straight right away. I’m Catholic. I love Jesus. I love his Church. I don’t agree with what Islam says about Jesus or the Church, but I respect them (as any good Christian should) none-the-less.

But I do not like anti-Islamic prejudice. Some of you are no better than those anti-catholics out there who say the Church is full of pedophiles and hippocrits. You look at what a few muslims are doing and assume it’s what all muslims are doing. Others looked at what a few priests have done and assume that all priests are doing it, or that the church does this regularly. (As a Youth Minister, I’ve had more than one person make some rude joke about my own ministry - much to my offense.)

Yes, there are some “muslims” doing terrible things. But those muslims aren’t even acting like Islam tells them to act. So, in my opinion they aren’t muslims any more than pedophilic priests are catholic.

Keep in mind that a loving attitude towards people of other religions (and of the religion itself) is mandated by the Vatican. Anyone breaking this is violating an exhortation made by the Vicar of Christ himself:

“The Church, therefore, exhorts her sons, that through dialogue and collaboration with the followers of other religions, carried out with prudence and love and in witness to the Christian faith and life, they recognize, preserve and promote the good things, spiritual and moral, as well as the socio-cultural values found among these men.”* (Nostra Aetate, section 2)
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So stop your muslim-bashing. It’s not Catholic.
What you refer to “actions of a small fraction” are you forgetting the history of Islam?
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Pope Paul VI says you should forget the past: “Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding” (Nostra Aetate section 3)
The theocrats of the Muslim world know what the ultimate goal is, but we seem to think that if “we can only reason and talk things out” things will be different. Oh, they will be different alright, but it may not be to our liking though. I am not fooled by the sunny side of Islam.
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If you believe that ecuminism and peace can come about through anything other than reason and talking, you disagree with Pope Paul VI. That’s dangerous, my friend.

To all the Catholics who are standing up for peace, prudence, and love in regards to muslim-christian relations, thank you. God notices you. You follow the Church, even when others would say you aren’t. 🙂
 
***“But I don’t see how you go from discussing a small number of extremists to condemning an entire religion. It seems to be countering hate with hate… in which case, the extremists have won. I don’t think you should hand them victory so easily.”***Give me a break! This is exactly how we delude ourselves and allow ourselves to be deluded: we buy the lie that it’s just “a small number of extremists” who think that Islam should take over the world and that non-Muslims do not need to be respected or treated well. The entire religion of Islam is one of world-domination and death to the infadels. READ THE KORAN AND YOU’LL SEE FOR YOURSELF! And while you’re at it, take a good hard look at the history of Islam. That should fill in any blanks left by the Koran. It’s easy to pretend Islam isn’t a threat - but as more and more bombings and terrorist attacks occur we are going to be forced to face reality soon enough!

Islam is a dangerous religion. While I do not advocate any kind of violence or hate towards Muslims I do advocate that we open our eyes and quit lying to ourselves!!

This is not being anti-Islamic, it’s being educated about Islam!!
 
Are half the people on this site even aware of the history of our own Church with regards to violence?, its hardly innocent. In the middle ages the Church waged war and killed heretic because believing something outwith the Church was seen as being an attack on the church and dangerous to the souls of the faithful. Read Vitoria as he was one of the first Catholics to state that difference or religion was no grounds for a just war. Thankfuly the Church don’t adopt such a position against heretic nowadays cause if this was the case then every protestant would be subject to death. Are people even aquaint with the violence in Christian countries and the racism which exists, look at the North of Ireland isnt that a country populated with Christians and isnt Christianity meant to be a peaceful religion, then why do both sides degenerate to violence? hardly a Christian thing to do.

If Catholics want to know what to think about Islam then i suggest they listen to the words of the current Holy Father, he isnt quick to denounce the Islamic faith as a dangerous religion of hate. Don’t get me wrong there are extremist Muslims who are way way way of the mark but to suggest that this makes the majority of muslims bad people in my oppinion is crazy.
 
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CelticCatholic:
I ain’t a muslim but i can confirm that i persoanally found nothing joking or funny about the cartoons, they had an agenda and such an agenda has worked. I know nothing of the newspaper that they appeared in but i would be my money on it being a trashy right wing tabloid spouting its usual racist and reactionary bile. Surely to portray a whole religion as suicide bombers isn’t funny? or is it just me who doesn’t have a sense of humour?
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What a hateful post! It is typical of brain dead people to caricature all who have a difference of opinion as “trashy right wing tabloid spouting it usual racist and reactionary bile”. I saw nothing in the papers that indicated a political point of view. I even believe that some left wing people have some intelligence. Some, like you, don’t show it. But that’s your right.

CDL
 
How comes there is little Muslim participation on this topic and others like it? Are they busy rioting, burning infidels’ properties? Let’s have a scholarly debate on this subject. Violence and intimidation won’t solve anything, but create more hatred and violence. It gets old seeing the same protests from the Muslim world. There’s nothing new to it. It’s always, “death to America, death to Israel, die you infidel, insult Islam-kill them…,” etc. Com’on man!

StMarkEofE said:
news.com.au/story/0,10117,18066746-1702,00.html?from=rss

Iran to publish Holocaust cartoons

I guess turn-about is fair play heh?

Lets see how many Jews destroy Muslim properties on this one.
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Mugen, there is little Muslim participation because this is a CATHOLIC forum. How many Muslim forums do you frequent?

Porthos, so if some lunatic Christian group kills himself and his entire compound, that would make it right to disrespect Christians?

wjohnson, we as Christians are called to love thy neighbor as thyself. Interpret it as you wish.
 
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Faith101:
We are to respect all people. That doesnt mean we have to agree with you, but it does mean that we wont draw insulting images of Paul, John, Mathew, Luke etc…we expect the same in return.
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Do Muslims respect kaffirs? Do you call equating kaffirs with the following, showing respect for us?
  1. Urine
  2. Faeces
  3. Semen
  4. Dead body
  5. Blood
  6. Dog
  7. Pig
  8. Alcoholic liquors
  9. The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat *."
Vickie*
 
So forget the past huh? Simply because some posters here have printed in much detail the actions of Islam, that is now considered hate? So by those standards to print the facts of the holocaust would be considered hate against the Germans? I have yet to see anybody here demand and shout for death to the Muslims. As a matter of fact I have seen posts by Christians to pray, for them. I constantly pray for the Muslims. Do I hate them? The answer is no. But simply because I, and others, have posted the actions of this religion we are now considered being hateful? To print about the riots, about what the Immans, Muslim clerics are saying, that is considered muslim-bashing? Come on. Shall we now censure and call Pope Urban II a Muslim hater because of organizing the knights of Christendom to push back the conquests of Islam. Shall we consider Pope Innocent III a Muslim-basher because he wrote “How does a man love according to divine precept his neighbor as himself when, knowing that his Christian brothers in faith and in name are held by the perfidious Muslims in strict confinement and weighed down by the yoke of heaviest servitude, he does not devote himself to the task of freeing them? …Is it by chance that you do not know that many thousands of Christians are bound in slavery and imprisoned by the Muslims, tortured with innumerable torments?” Was this torture just a one-time thing or is it still going on today?

See this
 
Who says the cartoons were a joke? A bomb shaped hat on top of Muhammed’s head doesn’t seem like a joke. It insults a prominent figure of a worldwide religion under the guise of “freedom of press”. Some freedom.

How come the Danes published it in September and there was little response and then Norwegian newspapers reprinted them? Did they all think they were funny? Or were they meant to offend?

I was offended and I’m not Muslim.

The outcome is the same either way:

Insult has occurred, sparking unrest and violence. Neither side is right. This is not freedom friends, this is reckless irresponsibility on the part of the newspapers and reckless and irresponsible violence on the Muslims attacking embassies.

Both the caricatures and the resulting violence are wrong. When we can all see that, then the world will be much more peaceful.

Shame on both of them.

Peace…
 
"Are half the people on this site even aware of the history of our own Church with regards to violence?, its hardly innocent."
The difference here is that IT’S OVER AND DONE WITH. We are no longer beheading or burning heratics and the Church has apologized for all wrong-doing. What the Muslim terrorizers are doing, they are doing NOW, not four hundred years ago like the Church!
 
MichelleTherese said:
"Are half the people on this site even aware of the history of our own Church with regards to violence?, its hardly innocent."

The difference here is that IT’S OVER AND DONE WITH. We are no longer beheading or burning heratics and the Church has apologized for all wrong-doing. What the Muslim terrorizers are doing, they are doing NOW, not four hundred years ago like the Church!
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Not 400 years ago, but 800 years ago. For that matter the Crusades were an attempt to defend the Holy Land against continued Muslim incursion. I know the Crusades saw many atrocities but I’m glad that not only did our anscestors seek to stop Islamic advances in the Middle East but they successfully stopped it in Europe as well…at least for now.

CDL
 
And how come the Muslim leaders are doing nothing about the hundreds of Christians killed every day by Muslims???
 
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