Why Catholics Should Vote for Trump article

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Actually that position is rape, incest and LIFE of the mother … health of the mother is a planned parenthood talking point that can mean anything to justify an abortion…

An abortion to save the life of a mother is practically non existent if not a zero chance.

Rape and Incest together represent less than 1% of all abortions performed.

So we can wait for a purity candidate to vote for - one who says they would ban 100% of all abortions … or we can take another approach.

If we could get the country to eliminate some abortions and - please God help make it be so - 99% of abortions … then the we can focus on healing the women who find themselves victims of incest and rape [some of which dont choose abortion by the way] and help not only the babies but the women. And a Country that does not see any and every pregnancy as a disposal “choice” but recognizes the humanity of children is far better equipped to help those victims of a crime.

Right now, all babies are at risk death - even for people who engage in sexual activity willingly and knowingly and as long as that is the mind set we cannot convince the world that a woman who is also a victim should be compelled to carry a child to term … this is where the mental health of the mother is most at risk.

As a person who has family that was conceived through rape [a great uncle - my great grandmother kept and raised and who was adopted by her husband when she finally married years later] and incest [a cousin who’s birth mother gave up for adoption and was welcomed by my Aunt and Uncle who adopted three girls] - I know the value of these children and that they are loved and valued by many - family and friends. They can live very fruitful lives and give beauty to the world.
 
Three different sources for three different states discussing hospital admissions due to covid. I’m not sure what you wanted.

Covid is real and people are being hospitalized. How is that biased?

People aren’t sick, the articles made stuff up?

130,000 dead is equal to 26 times the amount of dead on 9/11.

Don’t read my biased sources. 🤷‍♀️
 
I’m actually not at all sure the Catholic Church would call someone a “public adulterer” for being married civilly more than once (particularly as he was never Catholic), and I suspect the Church would not stoop so low as to say such “because his children were by different women.” That’s something even our often tone-deaf church wouldn’t say.
 
I’ve linked the Bishop’s instructions, forming Consiounces for faithful citizenship, above. It gives very clear guidance.

To do a 15 second elevator explanation, the same way one can vote for Republican party candidates where the party supports abortion if the child is disabled, if mom will have mental health issues, etc. As well as many other immoral things like the death penalty and IVF and enhanced interrogation, etc. One can vote for non Republicans who hold morally problematic views.

As long as you are voting for them for other reasons.
 
Maybe not a “public adulterer” but the situation is obviously wrong.
 
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TheLittleLady said:
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The Bishops are vague.

Here is the pure truth: Biden is the most ardent proponent of killing babies ever to seek office, isn’t he? He argues that babies about to be born should be allowed to be killed. This is murder.

Biden has officiated at a homosexual wedding.’’

He was part of the vile attack on nuns by the Obama administration.

There can not be any reasonable doubt that Biden would continue the attack on the Catholic church, given the passionate hatred by the left.
 
godisgood77 said:
How do you square that idea with Trump’s abortion position; specifically that he supports abortion in cases of rape, incest and health of the mother? Can you think of voting for Trump?
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I think Pres. Trump is wrong.

However, many Christians, including Christians on this forum, hold the same position, however wrong it is. It’s a viewpoint held by those who are concerned for women, so the viewpoint is understandable. But it’s still wrong.

And yes, I will vote for Pres .Trump again, especially as the pro-life organizations who are on the front lines of this issue, continue to support him in spite of his imperfections (that are shared by many other Christians).

To vote for a completely pro-life unknown (and what are their stands on other issues?) is extremely foolish with an election that promises to be one of the closest in history.

To vote for someone with absolutely no chance of even acquiring 1% of the vote would be handing votes to the pro-abortion in EVERY circumstance Democratic candidate (in all likelihood, Vice Pres. Biden and a running mate that he has not yet acquired), and that would be gifting the pro-abortion industry a gigantic victory and sealing the fates of tens of millions of unborn human beings and endangering the health and souls of tens of millions of women.

It’s horrific to contemplate. Why would anyone throw away a vote when they KNOW the result will be a proliferation of abortion rights and the deaths of millions? It’s unthinkable.

I think we need to be sensible rather than dogmatic. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I will repeat that Pres. Trump at this point has the support of every pro-life organization in the U.S. that I know of. If anyone knows of a pro-life organization that does NOT support Pres. Trump and his administration, please let me know.
 
VonDerTann said:
I’m actually not at all sure the Catholic Church would call someone a “public adulterer” for being married civilly more than once (particularly as he was never Catholic), and I suspect the Church would not stoop so low as to say such “because his children were by different women.” That’s something even our often tone-deaf church wouldn’t say.
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I understand that it can be confusing, but if you look it up you will see the Church’s position is clear. Having sexual relations with someone who is not your wife, is adultery. The Church considers the first marriage to remain valid unless annulled. A second and third ‘marriage’ are considered invalid. Having kids with someone while you are married to someone else is adulterous.

I’m sorry if I’m not being PC on the topic, but I prefer straight talk.
 
Is it ideal? It is not.

My point was that some of us shouldn’t be so quick to throw around names like “public adulterer.”

However, considering that to some on this board it is OK for an elected leader to call the president a “motherf****r,” I shouldn’t expect much.
 
Just one or two points I disagree with…for starters. Please understand, however, that I do NOT agree with everything proposed by the Dems either, and, to tell the truth, have an aversion toward BOTH major political parties as they now stand.

One point you made is that the Dems give us more government programs and raise our taxes in the process. I’m not so sure that the latter is true. Hasn’t the government deficit expanded quite a bit under recent Rep administrations just as much, maybe even more, than under Dem ones? Think GWB, for example. And insofar as government programs are concerned, what about Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, Head Start: aren’t we rather fortunate in having such programs as safety nets especially in hard times such as the present?

Another point: you note that the Rep party, in contrast to the Dem party, has a big tent? Is this really the case today? Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, a moderate Republican, is one of the last of a dying breed of Reps in Congress, as far as I can see. It seems to me that Reps have moved just as far right as Dems have toward the far left in recent times.
 
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If this were a referendum, you would be right.

It isn’t a referendum.

The abortion laws in this country were decided in the early 1970’s by the Supreme Court. They were reaffirmed again in the 1990’s.

We are supposed to vote republican president for the chance that they nominate a prolife Supreme Court judge.

We listen to the confirmation hearings and the nominees always say, “It’s settled law”. “It’s stare decisis.” I guess we are supposed to believe they have their fingers crossed behind their backs.

I dutifully voted Republican thinking it was prolife.

I could not and will not vote for Trump.

Too many reasons.
 
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I understand that it can be confusing, but if you look it up you will see the Church’s position is clear. Having sexual relations with someone who is not your wife, is adultery. The Church considers the first marriage to remain valid unless annulled. A second and third ‘marriage’ are considered invalid. Having kids with someone while you are married to someone else is adulterous.

I’m sorry if I’m not being PC on the topic, but I prefer straight talk.
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The Catholic Church also considers supporting abortion a grave sin. The Democratic Party supports abortion and has stated that there is no room in the Party for pro-lifers.

Therefore, voting for ANY Democrat is not permissable by Catholics. Right?

Good talk! Thanks!
 
The large cash settlement to Stormy Daniels is documented fact. Whether he actually slept with her is an accusation… but the pay off is there for the whole world to see. That he used to burst into the change rooms at his beauty pageants to catch the girls in a state of undress is something HE himself boasted about… the video of him stating such is also available for the whole world to see. I get that you like him as a president. I get that you support his policies. What I don’t get is all of these Trump supporters wishing away his very public and very saucy history with women.

Joe Biden may be a big creep when it comes to women too. But that’s immaterial. Trump is the one otherwise devout Christians are hailing as a saviour figure, not Biden.
 
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Actually, godisgood, this is precisely what I sort of hoped you would say - because it is more nuanced and less namecalling.

So, at least we’re getting somewhere positive!
 
F_Marturana said:
We are supposed to vote republican president for the chance that they nominate a prolife Supreme Court judge.
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So you expect us to believe it is a good idea to vote for Biden, who openly supports the mass murder of babies nearly born??? Biden, who is part of the attack on nuns? Biden, who officiated at a gay marriage? Biden, clearly in the early stages of dementia, who will be controlled by a Democratic party whose members have attacked a Catholic for the sin of being a member of the Knights of Columbus???V
 
He’s accused of bursting into the dressing rooms. He admitted to Howard Stern that’s exactly what he did.

But I guess that’s locker room talk.

Seriously, there wasn’t a better Republican candidate? No where?
 
Pres Trump’s abortion position, dealt penalty position, state of marital life do not square with Church teaching.

His immigration and asylum policies are tough to square with the Church; especially if you listen to the USCCB and the Pope on the topic.

The economic policies of this administration should disturb any conservative.

I understand that not candidate is perfect. If a
Catholic evaluates the field and determines that Trump is the least bad candidate, plugs their nose and votes for him, I could understand that.

I do not understand the Pro-Trump population as a Catholic.
 
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However, considering that to some on this board it is OK for an elected leader to call the president a “motherf****r,” I shouldn’t expect much.
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How can you complain about that when you don’t seem to care that Donald Trump has divorced twice?
I don’t think either is right.
 
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Personally, he does have a saucy history. Policy-wise, he’s a lot more favorable to the advancement of Christian policy initiatives than is Joe Biden.

I would add that people “make payoffs” all the time when they’ve committed no wrongdoing. Heck, that’s how most lawsuits are settled. So that alone is IMHO not at all dispositive.

Total aside: “Saucy.” Good word, too seldom used.
 
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