Why Catholics Should Vote for Trump article

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annem said:
it quite clear to anyone who has ever dealt with dementia patients that he is in an early stage of dementia.
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The evidence of Biden’s mental fall-off is evident:
–Compare his speeches (what few he gives!) to him debating Paul Ryan. It’s like 2 different people.
–Biden cannot get through friendly, “puff-piece” interviews without notes and a teleprompter.
–Biden cannot give multi-part answers to questions. He’ll say things like, “I have 3 points,” then forget 2 & 3.
–His speaking is often slurred.
 
That is absolutely false.

Trump, by action, is the most pro-life president since Roe. He has repeatedly appointed conservative judges to courts; he is the only president to attend the March for Life.
 
There really is literally no comparing Trump vs Biden on abortion. Biden does in fact toe the NARAL line of “all abortions are allowable.”
 
farronwolf said:
Being that most of the list you posted for folks hating on Trump was from hollywood, I did ignore that, since I pay little attention to what those folks think.
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That is a mistake on your part.

In the United States, many people take their cues from their favorite Hollywood celebs. I’m not sure why, but I think it has a lot to do with admiration for what a fairly ordinary person is able to achieve by simply pretending to be another person in front of a camera or on a stage.

Now don’t get me wrong–I have a great deal of honest respect and admiration for entertainment professionals, as my older daughter is one and has been sucessfully free-lancing and earning a decent living for nearly 20 years now. She has gotten to know and become friends with actors who have a deep faith in God and devotion to the Catholic Church–and she has also met actors who, well, let’s just say, aren’t at all faith-filled or Catholic.

But the fact is that most entertainment professional, like all of us, have a deep knowledge and understanding of their craft, but not so much understanding of many other topics, and when they speak about politics–well, for many of them, the last studying about politics that they did was in high school when they studied to pass the U.S. Constitution test so they could graduate.

That doesn’t matter, though, as many fans are quite devoted and open to everything their favorite celeb posts online or states in People Magazine. So it is not wise for us to ignore what the celebs think, as they have a lot of influence on our political climate.

Sadly, many of the Christan/conservative celebs are very careful not to speak up about politics. They might be blacklisted. A few weeks ago, my favorite actor voiced a single comment about sympathizing with the business owners rather than the protestors who were destroying small businesses–and I think he must have gotten a stern head-shake from his agent, as he stayed quiet online for almost a week. I can’t say I blame him. It’s a bad time to be unemployable in this country. (It’s always a bad time to be unemployable in this country!)
 
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VonDerTann said:
There really is literally no comparing Trump vs Biden on abortion. Biden does in fact toe the NARAL line of “all abortions are allowable.”
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I’m not comparing the two. Just trying to be sure that people understand that Trump’s abortion stance is not in line with Catholic teaching.
 
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But then neither is essentially any other politician (except for the most far-right & unelectable of them). Trump’s position is far more pro-life than say either of the Bushes (thanks a lot for John Roberts, W!, and yes, that was sarcasm). Trump is so far removed from Biden that the 2 are incomparable (and yes, Biden’s position is vile and I too agree no Catholic can really vote for him in good conscience).
 
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PrayForMe said:
won’t vote for Biden either, however, since a Catholic can’t vote for a pro-choice candidate in good conscience.
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This is your opinion, not the guidance we are given by our Bishops. Have you read FCFC?
 
That is for each of us to discern. Form our consiences, study outside the echo chamber, take off partisan filters, etc.

I’d advise every American to set aside time to read the Bishop’s document, then to look at each candidate in light of those instructions.

Do look at the American Solidarity Party. If we as citizens wish to end the cycle of picking the lesser of two evils, we must stop bowing to the two party monolith.
 
VonDerTann said:
Trump, by action, is the most pro-life president since Roe. He has repeatedly appointed conservative judges to courts; he is the only president to attend the March for Life.
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This is true.

The various pro-life organizations have supported Pres. Trump in their literature and in speeches. These are the people on the “front lines,” so to speak: the lobbyists who work to try to persuade politicians to vote for pro-life legislation (and no doubt get treated badly by the “polite” and “gentlemanly” Democrats), and the workers in the pregancy care centers, and the public relations people who work with the public to try to help them to see the truth about abortion rather than the lies that Planned Parenthood spews.

THESE organizations, to date, are supportive of Pres. Trump. And when you look at voting records, published by many of the Pro-Life organizations, the Democrats are looking pretty dismal. Again, it’s absolutely beyond me how ANY Christian, Catholic or otherwise, can even think of voting for a Democrat, especially when most of the “programs” that Democrats promote can be done just as well if not better by private organizations and individuals without costing the working taxpayers still more of the money that we need to pay off debts and invest in our retirement. It’s just beyond me.

I honestly think (and remember, I am a convert to Catholicism from Evangelical Protestantism) that this is one reason why many Evangelical Protestants won’t even listen to a Catholic apologist or to their Catholic friends talk about the Catholic Church–most Evangelical Protestants can’t see how any true Christian can even think about voting for pro-abortion politicians. I can’t comprehend it myself. To vote for “good manners” over “curtailing/ending legal abortion.” It’s beyond me.
 
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Peeps said:
most Evangelical Protestants can’t see how any true Christian can even think about voting for pro-abortion politicians. I can’t comprehend it myself.
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How do you square that idea with Trump’s abortion position; specifically that he supports abortion in cases of rape, incest and health of the mother? Can you think of voting for Trump?
 
VonDerTann said:
Do you really, REALLY believe China’s official death toll? No one does. For that matter, essentially no one believes anything China says about the Wuhan Flu at all – China claimed zero deaths in the entire months of March & April (just before they went into a second lockdown). Some sources put China’s death toll at well over 500,000, perhaps as high as several million. For example, Radio Free Asia pegged it at 400,000 as of March
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Being better than China of all countries isn’t really telling.
 
I realize you’re not directing the question to me.

It is simply never going to happen in this life - short of Jesus literally coming down from the clouds and making it happen - that abortion is outlawed in the US, no exceptions.

That said, Trump has in fact been more pro life than any other president since Roe, as I articulated. If your choice was “outlaw all abortions except for rape and incest” or “allow all abortions, including in the birth canal,” I don’t see how any reasonably devout Catholic willingly votes for the latter position.

I am aware that some really tiny parties (pro life? American solidarity? whatever…) would favor “no abortions at all.” Voting for those candidates is IMHO throwing your vote away.
 
Not my opinion at all. If we know what the Church teaches on abortion then why would we vote for pro-choice candidates?
 
Peeps said:
That is a mistake on your part.

In the United States, many people take their cues from their favorite Hollywood celebs. I’m not sure why, but I think it has a lot to do with admiration for what a fairly ordinary person is able to achieve by simply pretending to be another person in front of a camera or on a stage.
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This makes no sense. Mistake on my part but you don’t know why folks take cues from celebrities.

Self contradiction usually doesn’t work in an argument.
 
Welshrabbit said:
Ok, let’s say I agree with you. I’ll ask you again, who should I vote for?

Give me a name and/or party affiliation please.
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I’m still discerning my choice… and wouldn’t tell you who to vote for. I do know that I won’t vote for Trump for the reasons I cited earlier - abortion, death penalty, public adultery, treatment of women, economic policy, divisiveness, etc. The country is in a worse place under Trump than it was when he took over - more debt, more divided, less stable

My posts and comments are meant to dispel the falsehood that Trump’s abortion position squares with Catholic teaching; it does not.
 
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