Why Catholics Should Vote for Trump article

[Ridgerunner]

Compliance with recommendations of pubic health officials.

Vague generalities. Biden does the same. No real program.

 

[buffalo]

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[Ridgerunner]

If Covid is now endemic, the only stats that have any real meaning are deaths per confirmed patient. But even then, the false test results are so high that even those can be doubted. Ultimately, only a very strong herd immunity will bring case numbers down over the long term, but even then there will continue to be cases, especially among the debilitated. Some information suggests that some people who are exposed and who “intake” the virus never actually get a disease process going. The virus is “captive” but ultimately gets killed off without being able to replicate beyond the initial site.
Nevertheless, they may test positive.

It may well be that nursing homes may have to become “no go” zones permanently if there is no other way to protect the elderly. And physicians might have to rethink prescribing immunosuppresants so freely for things like Crohn’s, psoriasis, MS, RA and any number of autoimmune disorders.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Compliance with recommendations of pubic health officials.

Vague generalities. Biden does the same. No real program.

The recommendations from public health officials have been quite specific. We all heard them, even if Trump tried to undermine and sideline them. Trump has actually had the power and the opportunity to enact his plan, and we see where that has got us - in last place among developed nations.

 

[Annie]

And physicians might have to rethink prescribing immunosuppresants so freely for things like Crohn’s, psoriasis, MS, RA and any number of autoimmune disorders

If the use of immunosuppressants means a person is more vulnerable to covid, maybe we should consider that in our calculations of how “well or badly” nations are doing?

We have an aging population compared to some other nations, and many of the meds I see advertised on tv seem to be immunosuppressants.

 

[buffalo]

The recommendations from public health officials have been quite specific. We all heard them, even if Trump tried to undermine and sideline them.

Huh, at the outset he closed China against the advice of just about everyone and got roundly criticized for it. Ran with Fauci and Birx advice. One the 14 days was over let the governors make their own decisions for their state. Mobilized manufacturing for vents and masks and other equipment. Said repeatedly this was not American’ fault and sent stimulus checks, initiated payroll protection program, sent the ships, etc. Then realized the entire reason for the lockdown (was not to overrun heath care) was past and then started reopening the economy. Even Trump hating governors thanked him publicly. Did fakenews not report any of this to you?

 

[buffalo]

If the use of immunosuppressants means a person is more vulnerable to covid, maybe we should consider that in our calculations of how “well or badly” nations are doing?

We have an aging population compared to some other nations, and many of the meds I see advertised on tv seem to be immunosuppressants.

Indeed, the cytokine storm has to be kept in check. In some people it runs amok.

 

[Ridgerunner]

The recommendations from public health officials have been quite specific. We all heard them, even if Trump tried to undermine and sideline them. Trump has actually had the power and the opportunity to enact his plan, and we see where that has got us - in last place among developed nations.

You know full well we’re not “in last place” among developed nations. Why do you say things like that?

And health officials do not recommend routine wearing of masks, but only in limited circumstances. And even then, they vary.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30134-X/fulltext

 

[farronwolf]

Cant be a patriot when you fake medical reasons for avoiding the draft.

Cant be a patriot when you spend so much time dividing a country.

Cant be a patriot when you buy everything from china then tell everyone else we need to make stuff in the US.

Patriots are willing to actually fight for their country, not just spew catchy phrases.

 

[Ridgerunner]

If the use of immunosuppressants means a person is more vulnerable to covid, maybe we should consider that in our calculations of how “well or badly” nations are doing?

I would guess that the use of immunosuppresants in the U.S. exceeds that in most countries.

 

[buffalo]

Remove all the nursing home deaths and reevaluate. Roughly 50% of purported deaths were in nursing homes. Then take out the number of those who were sent to the hospital and not counted as nursing home deaths.

 

[farronwolf]

Shutting off travel from china but letting 400k plus people come in from china and not overseeing their quarantine is not a solution.

See what that got us.

 

[buffalo]

Not a patriot?

Dividing the country? The country was already split on religious and moral grounds. I support America and not a communist version. How is anyone supposed to heal that. Just where did all these communist leaning folks come from? Where were they taught it?

Tarriffing China and other countries to level the playing field is patriotic. America first is patriotic.

Making America Even Greater is patriotic. Standing for the flag is patriotic.

Soldiers are “”""

Patriots all over America have woken up and are ready to defend.

Exposing the real intentions of BLM is patriotic.

Creating middle class jobs and opportunity zones is patriotic.

Protecting like is “”""

Subsidiarity i “”""

 

[buffalo]

Shutting off travel from china but letting 400k plus people come in from china and not overseeing their quarantine is not a solution.

See what that got us.

The facts show this virus was here and spreading well before anyone knew.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

The recommendations from public health officials have been quite specific. We all heard them, even if Trump tried to undermine and sideline them.

Huh, at the outset he closed China

But didn’t close travel from Europe, where most of it came from. But closing travel to China also worked well for his political views, so that was easier to do, even if it did very little to lessen the impact of the virus, which was already here and spreading in the community. It is that threat that he ignored for months.

Ran with Fauci and Birx advice.

He contradicted Fauci almost from the beginning.

Mobilized manufacturing for vents and masks and other equipment.

It turned out we didn’t need so many ventilators, and we are still short of PPE in some places, and we are especially short of testing capability, which makes contact tracing ineffective.

Said repeatedly this was not American’ fault and sent stimulus checks…

He signed the bill that Congress, including the Democrats, passed.

Then realized the entire reason for the lockdown (was not to overrun heath care) was past and then started reopening the economy.

Trump did nothing to reopen the economy. That was the decision of individual governors and cities.

Even Trump hating governors thanked him publicly. Did fakenews not report any of this to you?

No, but the real news, like CNN, did report it.

 

[Ridgerunner]

and we are especially short of testing capability, which makes contact tracing ineffective.

I’m not convinced of either thing. It undoubtedly is true that we don’t have the stuff to test 330 million people. But I have seen nothing credible to suggest to me that the current supply of masks, sanitizer, etc is lacking. It’s everywhere. You can buy it at the dime store and in convenience stores readily.

But contact tracing has its own limitations. A contact that is negative today might be positive this evening. That’s why most physicians and health departments don’t recommend testing unless you’re symptomatic or live in the same household with a positive person.

And then there is the resistance to testing. I was talking to a physician the other day. She works in a large hospital. She said doctors and nurses there don’t get tested even if they develop mild symptoms (which most are) because they don’t want to be sent home for ten days. She’s in a large city. But in the area where I live, which would be considered “rural” by most, it’s the same. People resist getting tested. I spoke to one woman who became symptomatic but wouldn’t go get tested because it would take her daughter off the volleyball team if she turned up positive.

But I think views are shifting in that direction. Because of one contact I asked my own doctor if he recommended getting tested. He asked if I had any symptoms, to which I replied negatively. In that case, he said, he didn’t recommend getting tested.

real news, like CNN

That’s like saying “real news like QAnon”.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

and we are especially short of testing capability, which makes contact tracing ineffective.

I’m not convinced of either thing. It undoubtedly is true that we don’t have the stuff to test 330 million people. But I have seen nothing credible to suggest to me that the current supply of masks, sanitizer, etc is lacking.

Those are not testing supplies. Testing supplies are the the reagents needed by the labs to analyze the samples. They are in short supply, and some tests are taking up to 7 days to report results, which makes contact tracing almost impossible.

But contact tracing has its own limitations. A contact that is negative today might be positive this evening.

Contact tracing does not have to find every single infected contact - just most of them.

That’s why most physicians and health departments don’t recommend testing unless you’re symptomatic or live in the same household with a positive person.

They recommend that specifically because testing supplies are in short supply and need to be saved for the most likely cases!.

And then there is the resistance to testing. I was talking to a physician the other day. She works in a large hospital. She said doctors and nurses there don’t get tested even if they develop mild symptoms (which most are) because they don’t want to be sent home for ten days.

That is a problem to be addressed by convincing leadership - something we have seen undermined by the administration. Most health professionals are not so selfish as the ones you describe so as to put the public at risk like that. I really can’t imagine more than a very few doctors being so grossly irresponsible.

She’s in a large city. But in the area where I live, which would be considered “rural” by most, it’s the same. People resist getting tested. I spoke to one woman who became symptomatic but wouldn’t go get tested because it would take her daughter off the volleyball team if she turned up positive.

Same problem. Selfish people.

 

[TC3033]

No, it’s due to a sedentary lifestyle most of us in the US have. It’s easy to eat at a surplus when you barely have to move all day…

 

[Jeanne_S]

Heck Fauci even contradicted himself.Hes been all over the place with his “ expert” advice

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Heck Fauci even contradicted himself.Hes been all over the place with his “ expert” advice

That is misrepresentation of the scientific process. During these 5 months the medical community has learned a lot - and very fast. It is expected that some of this new knowledge would be reflected in public health recommendations. If the public health officials had settled on one set of recommendations in March or April and then stuck with it straight until now, they might look more sure of themselves and more reliable, but it would be the height of stupidity for them to do that. So what you are calling “contradicting himself” is actually something to be commended, not criticized.