Why did Mary specifically mention Russia in Fatima?

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Erundil said:
The “errors of Russia”, which Our Lady spoke about in her apparition was the evil of atheistic materialism, which has its origins in Communist Russia, not in China or any other country (they have accepted it from Russia).
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this not quite true … comunisim and materialisim while of course related well it was not fully the usa and other staunch anti comunist powers where very materalisitic
 
I think the Western Evangelists and Catholics were shaking the materialistic Communism system, It’s just that after the collapse of communism, capital began to mock people in the most cruel way in the post-Soviet space.
And in the Russian Federation itself, this continues to this day.
If you look at how the regions of the republics of Tuva, Sakha, Siberia, the Caucasus survive, then many people will have a few versions of this:
-It is better that Siberia was conquered by some Germans or Japanese, perhaps life there would be transformed
-All these peoples of the Russian Federation should be given political freedom and the right to dispose of their colossal wealth. (Siberia is may be richer in natural resources than Canada but people live very poor)
-Many people living in the USSR agree that the communist system at least tried to take care of a person, which cannot be said about today’s gangster capital there.

If Russia’s turning to God also implies the flourishing of Protestant churches, why then infringe on the rights of Protestants? After all, they are very active in carrying the message of Christ to people obsessed with sin.
It is the Protestant churches that save the degrading people there from a vicious life, they have recipes for both the youth and all souls vulnerable to sin.
There is a lot of work in the spiritual field in the Russian Federation, but I have a claim to the empire itself, which does not allow the peoples of the right to national liberation structures.
Yes, the empire has a wide field for evangelism, and here the vineyard is huge and there are very few workers, but it is paradoxical that degradation there for some reason worse than under communism.
Under communism, there was a dream of equality, brotherhood, and big construction, but today for some reason the regions are poor, Moscow does not invest there properly.
The empire is supported by strength and fear, and the national liberation spirit is kept in chains😣
Therefore, of course, the conversion of the people to God is a great work ahead, both in the past and today, but many would not agree with the obstacle to peoples’ life independent and freedom from the empire
 
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Every religious expression might be sometimes accused of being used for “heavy” politics. The civil rights movement is an example.
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The above true for some political people.

But this is Mary’s apparitions. Why would Mary who did not have any political aspirations during her time on earth speak about politics in her apparitions?
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People accuse Catholicism of being overly dogmatic, everything is supposedly Black or White. Private revelations go against that stereotype.
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That’s the thing. Why being strict selectively?

The protestant errors and whatever errors condemned with heavyweight condemnations in the past, those were/are less of a threat than a celestial being whose message deviate from the gospel stirring & bringing in practical politics from outside into the church.

Why hairsplitting about everything else, but when regarding private revelations, then suddenly anything goes. Like literally any
theology offered by those apparitions, no matter what, they are allowed by the church, as long as the apparition seems “miraculous”, then suddenly no hairsplitting theological quarrels necessary.

It is true that no signs is needed for those who believe.

No matter how great the signs in the skies, when the message deviate from the gospel, that is perversion of doctrine.
 
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JoyfulTune said:
But this is Mary’s apparitions. Why would Mary who did not have any political aspirations during her time on earth speak about politics in her apparitions?
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But why would saying that Russia must be consecrated to her have to be taken as political? It’s a simple consecration. She wasn’t giving specific details to politicians about to run the country.
 
But “Fatima” phenomenon should be studied and interpreted more deeply.
 
Ukraine as a Rus, is also very possible, to the addition to the controversy regarding the vast territory of the modern Russian Federation and various theories about its messianic identity
 
JoyfulTune said:
The protestant errors and whatever errors condemned with heavyweight condemnations in the past, those were/are less of a threat than a celestial being whose message deviate from the gospel stirring & bringing in practical politics from outside into the church.

Why hairsplitting about everything else, but when regarding private revelations, then suddenly anything goes. Like literally any
theology offered by those apparitions, no matter what, they are allowed by the church, as long as the apparition seems “miraculous”,
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Nothing in Fatima adds anything to Catholic theology. Confer the Catechism.
 
How ? Did all began with the Kevan Rus ( who are very distinct to russia do the mongol yoke and the Byzantines being conquered)
 
It’s pretty much the same story add on that the apocryphal book of the infancy gospel of thomas ( baby Jesus speaking ) that is all to similar to the quran maybe it’s the common things the orthodox and heretics shared with islam or maybe Muhammed copied them don’t know but the similarities are there
 
I have come to rethink all these apparition warnings since becoming acquainted with the possibility that our consciousness interacts with/affects matter in quantum mechanics. The new age folk take it in the direction of “we attract what we want into our lives,” which I partly (only partly) agree with. But I see our lady’s warnings in light of this view of how the cosmos works as her, NOT saying “If you keep being bad, God will be terrible to you,” but rather, “the more corrupt you (collectively) are, the more you are all co-creating a hellish future for yourselves. In fact, you’re on track to bring it into manifest reality in a few short years, UNLESS enough of you offset it with great holiness and acts of reparation, such that it can be averted.” The difference between my view and that of the new age is I believe the “co-creation” is a collective human thing and we are collectively experiencing a world we have co-created in a fallen state, starting with Adam’s fall.
 
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Kyivan Rus a state, like, after all, any other state of the early or late Middle Ages, arose and developed in close proximity - peaceful or militant - with other peoples, Slavic and non-Slavic. The central core of this powerful territorial-state community was the Dnieper tribe of Polyany, which after a while adopted another name - Rus, Rusich, Rusyn.

Rusyns.

There is reason to believe that the name was adopted by the Slavic glades from their southern neighbors, with whom they bordered since ancient times, and therefore had much in common, in particular to protect their lands from numerous attacks by nomadic hordes.

Later, the Moscovites appropriated the name for themselves, but it rightfully originally not belongs to Moscovites
 
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JoyfulTune said:
Why not consecrate Russia to Jesus Christ, ‘her son’ instead?
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Its elementary, my dear Watson ( as Sherlock would say )
Mary was sent from heaven by God to request the Pope and Bishops to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. What part of that statement do you not understand ?
 
In the history of Israel, is there a time when God asked them to consecrate Israel to other than God Himself? If they consecrate themselves to others, it angers God!
 
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In the history of Israel, is there a time when God asked them to consecrate Israel to other than God Himself?
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In the history of Israel, is there a time when God asked a quiet, humble virgin to give birth to God Himself?

She always made herself “transparent” so that the only thing you see when you look at her is God. She literally allows God to shine through her.

She is not a separate entity, a some kind of ‘opposing force’ (lol), everything she does and does (even when she is still on Earth) has always been fully in accord with the will of the Most High.
 
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Erundil said:
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JoyfulTune:
In the history of Israel, is there a time when God asked them to consecrate Israel to other than God Himself?
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In the history of Israel, is there a time when God asked a quiet, humble virgin to give birth to God Himself?
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Exactly my pont. Mary consecrate her life to God, not to herself.
 
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Do you understand? she consecrates this thing to Her Son right away (or rather this is the same act).
You admitted literally she consecrated her life to God — she does this with everything.
 
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