....why didn't jews accept Christ as the messia?

[Kaninchen]

I watched the video. I don’t think the op was asking why Jews today don’t accept Jesus, but rather why Jews contemporary with Jesus did not accept Him. But this is rather a loaded question in itself, as it is quite obvious that Christianity was brought to us by the Jews (after the Ascension of Jesus.) Therefore Jews (and many Jews, including even Jewish Rabbis, leaders and priests) DID accept Jesus as the Messiah. So the real question seems to be why didn’t ALL JEWS accept Jesus as the Messiah, for which we already have numerous answers in this thread.

Rather a mass of assumptions there really and the language with which you pose the question is wonderfully loaded with an implication that the Jews of the time who didn’t accept Jesus as Messiah were, in some way, non-mainstream and a maverick minority.

Meanwhile, your evidence for your mass of assumptions is what? A collection of writings that, to you, are a holy book and to us are ‘somebody else’s pious fictions’. It’s rather like a Mormon asking why all Christians didn’t accept Joseph Smith, The Book of Mormon and so on in the 19th Century - as if those who didn’t accept them were an aberration from the norm that had to be explained in some way.

 

[matahari]

Okay please tell me, why didn’t jews accept Christ as the messia?

Please remember when you are posting that I haven’t got a clue about any of this and that is why I am asking (so, no writing in jargon)!

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At the time of Jesus, you can tell from the Gospels and from the many confrontations of the Pharisees and Scribes with him that their way of thinking about God and religion was very legalistic . That was partly because they had added on so many extra rules and regulations to the Law . Or as Jesus said they loaded men down with burdens that they were unwilling to do anything to help .
Also in choosing to live by the ‘Letter’ of the Law rather than by the Spirit as He did ., the inevitable result being as He said " The letter kills and the Spirit gives life ":bible1:


Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ
Saint Jerome

 

[AmbroseSJ]

Rather a mass of assumptions there really and the language with which you pose the question is wonderfully loaded with an implication that the Jews of the time who didn’t accept Jesus as Messiah were, in some way, non-mainstream and a maverick minority.

Meanwhile, your evidence for your mass of assumptions is what? A collection of writings that, to you, are a holy book and to us are ‘somebody else’s pious fictions’. It’s rather like a Mormon asking why all Christians didn’t accept Joseph Smith, The Book of Mormon and so on in the 19th Century - as if those who didn’t accept them were an aberration from the norm that had to be explained in some way.

I agree the question is loaded. In fact it might be more accurate to say that a minority of Jews accepted Jesus as the Messiah, and not the other way around. That’s just a guess though. Maybe that is why the OP worded the question like that.

But that doesn’t explain why you used a quote from my post. I don’t think I posed a question at all. Are you referring to some “mass of assumptions” that I posted?

 

[Kaninchen]

But that doesn’t explain why you used a quote from my post. I don’t think I posed a question at all.

“So the real question seems to be . . .”

Are you referring to some “mass of assumptions” that I posted?

By the “mass of assumptions” I meant the ‘lens of the Christian paradigm’ both what was, supposedly, obvious, the ‘groups’ - “and many Jews, including even Jewish Rabbis, leaders and priests” - we were to accept “DID accept Jesus as the Messiah” and so on.

What I was reading was an invitation to continue the argument by ‘stepping into’ the Christian paradigm to do so, ie to accept some validity to some narratives of the NT, in order to explain why my maverick, minority ancestors failed to accept something that was apparently blindingly obvious to these ‘Rabbis, leaders and priests’ of the time.

 

[Zundrah]

I agree the question is loaded. In fact it might be more accurate to say that a minority of Jews accepted Jesus as the Messiah, and not the other way around. That’s just a guess though. Maybe that is why the OP worded the question like that.

But that doesn’t explain why you used a quote from my post. I don’t think I posed a question at all. Are you referring to some “mass of assumptions” that I posted?

“So the real question seems to be . . .”

By the “mass of assumptions” I meant the ‘lens of the Christian paradigm’ both what was, supposedly, obvious, the ‘groups’ - “and many Jews, including even Jewish Rabbis, leaders and priests” - we were to accept “DID accept Jesus as the Messiah” and so on.

What I was reading was an invitation to continue the argument by ‘stepping into’ the Christian paradigm to do so, ie to accept some validity to some narratives of the NT, in order to explain why my maverick, minority ancestors failed to accept something that was apparently blindingly obvious to these ‘Rabbis, leaders and priests’ of the time.

…the Jews were promised a messiah, so why didn’t all of them accept him? Are you still waiting for him to come? …if so …will you kill him too?

 

[Kaninchen]

…the Jews were promised a messiah, so why didn’t all of them accept him? Are you still waiting for him to come? …if so …will you kill him too?

I think you’re having some problem following the plot here:

1. we are still awaiting the Messiah;
2. we don’t accept that Jesus was the Messiah; and, as to the story of his life, death and anything that he may, or may not have said
3. we don’t accept the ‘New Testament’ or what it says about anything at all.

 

[Zundrah]

I think you’re having some problem following the plot here:

1. we are still awaiting the Messiah;
2. we don’t accept that Jesus was the Messiah; and, as to the story of his life, death and anything that he may, or may not have said
3. we don’t accept the ‘New Testament’ or what it says about anything at all.

…but WHY?!?

What is so illegitamate about the New Testament?

 

[Kaninchen]

…but WHY?!?

What is so illegitamate about the New Testament?

What’s illegitimate about the Qur’an or The Book of Mormon?

 

[crowcounty]

because he was a threat to their economy they were keeping the animals instead of sacrificing them and the they were paying tribute to rome for the rights that they had and jesus was a threat to that.

 

[Zundrah]

because he was a threat to their economy they were keeping the animals instead of sacrificing them and the they were paying tribute to rome for the rights that they had and jesus was a threat to that.

Tell me more about this, it’s still a bit unclear. Was it just that they refused to come out of their old ways? Were they too use to there pagan lives?

 

[Zundrah]

What’s illegitimate about the Qur’an or The Book of Mormon?

What is illegitamte about the Quran or the book of mormon? …they are not fulfilling of the first five books of our bible, that is what’s illegitamte about them.

 

[Kaninchen]

What is illegitamte about the Quran or the book of mormon? …they are not fulfilling of the first five books of our bible, that is what’s illegitamte about them.

Ah but the followers of those religions would say that they do so.

 

[Zundrah]

Ah but the followers of those religions would say that they do so.

But come on now, let’s be serious. If what you are saying is even true then you should become a mormon or muslim now please.

Why have you not accepted him? What did Christ do that didn’t fit the prophecy/ scriptures? Why is he not the Chirst?

 

[Kaninchen]

But come on now, let’s be serious. If what you are saying is even true then you should become a mormon or muslim now please.

No, I’m saying that they’re all ‘fiction’ as far as I’m concerned.

Why have you not accepted him? What did Christ do that didn’t fit the prophecy/ scriptures? Why is he not the Chirst?

Because we don’t believe a word of it.

 

[Zundrah]

No, I’m saying that they’re all ‘fiction’ as far as I’m concerned.

Because we don’t believe a word of it.

WHY!?

Answer me!

 

[Kaninchen]

WHY!?

Answer me!

Because it’s all ‘fiction’.

 

[Zundrah]

Because it’s all ‘fiction’.

The whole bible is fiction?

…so you don’t believe what you read in your own bible?

 

[gearhead]

What, I don’t understand? But didn’t Jesus fulfil the scriptures? So why didn’t they accept him?

No, he didn’t.

Even if you accept the New Testament at face value, there are many messianic prophecies that remain unfulfilled, for example, that he will put an end to war and that during his reign, the Jews will know the Torah without study.

Christians say that Jesus will fulfill these prophecies in the future; Jews tend not to put a lot of faith in this.

Also, there’s the simple matter of whether one should believe what’s written in the Bible. If a person doesn’t believe that the events actually happened as described, then it’s irrelevant whether the descriptions match up with prophecy.

I watched the video. I don’t think the op was asking why Jews today don’t accept Jesus, but rather why Jews contemporary with Jesus did not accept Him. But this is rather a loaded question in itself, as it is quite obvious that Christianity was brought to us by the Jews (after the Ascension of Jesus.) Therefore Jews (and many Jews, including even Jewish Rabbis, leaders and priests) DID accept Jesus as the Messiah. So the real question seems to be why didn’t ALL JEWS accept Jesus as the Messiah, for which we already have numerous answers in this thread.

Good point. Apparently, a number of Jews did accept Jesus as the messiah; we just call them “Christians”.

 

[Kaninchen]

The whole bible is fiction?

…so you don’t believe what you read in your own bible?

Do you read what people say?

 

[Zundrah]

No, he didn’t.

Even if you accept the New Testament at face value, there are many messianic prophecies that remain unfulfilled, for example, that he will put an end to war and that during his reign, the Jews will know the Torah without study.

Christians say that Jesus will fulfill these prophecies in the future; Jews tend not to put a lot of faith in this.

Also, there’s the simple matter of whether one should believe what’s written in the Bible. If a person doesn’t believe that the events actually happened as described, then it’s irrelevant whether the descriptions match up with prophecy.

…he was the Son of God. There is no mistaking that…

Good point. Apparently, a number of Jews did accept Jesus as the messiah; we just call them “Christians”.

While you may say this… there is actually a number of jews who** really did** accept every word the messiah said, more so than others, we just call them catholics.