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Mommyof02green
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Maybe…I don’t know…Maybe God is calling you to go out and do something a little differently!
I know that I won’t do something today other then praying about and thinking it over. God Bless
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I know that I won’t do something today other then praying about and thinking it over. God Bless
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Aesq
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All I can say to those of you who think it is ok to display graphic pictures of dead children where small children might see them, is that it is a really good thing you do not live where I live. If you did you might find yourself indicted for exposing a minor to indecent material. I would be the one indicting you by the way.
We are not called to do evil to prevent evil. It is evil in my opinion to expose small children to graphic photos of someone who is dead, regardless of how they died or at what age. Children have a right to be raised with some amount of innocence. Innocent lives should not be taken, but innocence should not be taken from lives either.
I am exposed to dead people all the time as I am a felony prosecutor. However, if someone exposed my small child to this, they better be ready to spend a little time in jail. People of all ages are killed every day. It is a horrible thing. Stripping the innocence from a small child is not going to stop people from killing each other, but it sure does a great deal of harm to the child.
The ends do not justify the means. Just my two cents for what they are worth.
Yours in Christ.
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We are not called to do evil to prevent evil. It is evil in my opinion to expose small children to graphic photos of someone who is dead, regardless of how they died or at what age. Children have a right to be raised with some amount of innocence. Innocent lives should not be taken, but innocence should not be taken from lives either.
I am exposed to dead people all the time as I am a felony prosecutor. However, if someone exposed my small child to this, they better be ready to spend a little time in jail. People of all ages are killed every day. It is a horrible thing. Stripping the innocence from a small child is not going to stop people from killing each other, but it sure does a great deal of harm to the child.
The ends do not justify the means. Just my two cents for what they are worth.
Yours in Christ.
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bear06
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Yikes! Would you also indict the many priests who believe otherwise?!
BTW, you’re wrong about the pictures not stopping babies from being aborted. It has worked and I gave you links to prove it.
Again, all of us would do best not to think that just because other people are taking other tactics than us that their efforts are any less good or that their tactics more evil than ours.
And I’m sorry if you feel my children have been harmed. I know they haven’t and the conviction I see in them gives me hope that the next generation might be the ones who end this horrific act.
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bear06
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BTW, when I said do things differently, I didn’t mean differently from what you would do but differently from the people telling people that they are going to hell. Also, you may just be called to the contemplative end of this too. There are some people that are meant to stand on a street corner and some that are simply called to spend a lot of time in front of the Blessed Sacrament in prayer. Believe me, it takes everyone and all kinds of tactics!SW
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Catherine_S
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You are correct.We all know sexual abuse of children takes place more than most of us care to believe…I know it has kept me awake at night after hearing or reading some terrible story about it. However showing pictures of these crimes to get a message out might do great harm and **especially **to children. We have to warn our children in **a more protective,positive and creative way. **
I am pro life through and through and I am happy to know that I have named three children over several years who were headed for non existance and it was never done by showing their young mothers these types of pictures.
As for talk of the devil perhaps we need to take a clue from him…he is sutle in his ways!
We need to deal with the cause not the symtoms.
If one can sell soap and get rich by using the media why not use it in a creative way for passing on reverance for life?.
God Bless You,
Shalom,
Catherine
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Changing the name anti abortion to pro life was a start!
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bear06
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But Catherine, you seem to be totally ignoring the fact that some babies have been saved directly because of the graphic pictures. Not only that, some hearts have also been changed by these pictures. Please see:
We all know sexual abuse of children takes place more than most of us care to believe…I know it has kept me awake at night after hearing or reading some terrible story about it. However showing pictures of these crimes to get a message out might do great harm and **especially **to children. We have to warn our children in **a more protective,positive and creative way. **
I am pro life through and through and I am happy to know that I have named three children over several years who were headed for non existance and it was never done by showing their young mothers these types of pictures.
As for talk of the devil perhaps we need to take a clue from him…he is sutle in his ways!
We need to deal with the cause not the symtoms.
If one can sell soap and get rich by using the media why not use it in a creative way for passing on reverance for life?.
God Bless You,
Shalom,
Catherine
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Changing the name anti abortion to pro life was a start!
priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/graphicspraise1.htm
Besides these, I have seen this myself. One can’t compare the child abuse scandal to this. While the abuse scandal is horrible, by and large, society believes this already. And while the abuse scandal is horrific, the victims have a chance to recover, aborted babies do not. There is no hope for them. It seems as if some are forgetting that this is the life or death of a child. If you think that a 5 year old seeing a picture of an aborted baby is on the same par, I’d say you have it wrong. You can explain to a child and it’s amazing how well they can grasp the concept without permanent scarring. Once a baby is aborted, their life is over. And by the way, if a law was going to be passed that it was fine and dandy to have sex with children, you bet I’d resort to graphic discriptions of what would happen physically and mentally to children if that would stop it because it could happen to my own child! The society that we live in today is beyond reason.
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Kendy
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How are your children doing?I’m not sure if this is the right forum; so if it needs to be moved I understand.
Why do anti-abortion signs have to be so graphic?
My children had no school today, so I took them to see their Grandpa who in the hospital recovering from surgery. (My kids are 4 and 5).
While leaving the hospital there were anti-abortion picketer with signs saying abortion kills. They even had blown up images of post-aborted babies. The images were enough to make me turn away, seeing a child dismembered is awful. My children wanted to know why those babies were “cut up”.
So I had to have the “talk” with my 4 and 5 year-old, a talk that I didn’t really want with them, not at this time. Seeing they are only 4 and 5. They themselves are just children and should have the right to some innocents. (At least that is my opinion).
Well I started to think about it. I understand why they the anti-abortion picketers are there. I understand what abortion does. I understand why it is important to get the message out there. Abortion kills an innocent child.
However, what about the innocents of the children that see these signs? Should they be forced to see such graphic images? Should parents be forced to explain such things to their kids?
Modern technology is wonderful.
There are wonderful 4D ultrasound pictures that show babies ALIVE in the womb.
This link will allow you to see some 4D ultrasound pictures: prolifeamerica.com/4D-Ultrasound-pictures/index.cfm?photo=10#photos
I think that these anti-abortion picketers should do away with their post-abortion images, and use pre-abortion images such as these 4D ultrasound pictures.
I think they should blow up a few of these images and have messages like:
I’m ALIVE in my mother’s womb….
{Image of 4D ultrasound}
….If she aborts me, I will die.
ABORTION KILLS! THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS!
FOR HELP CALL: xxx-xxx-xxxx or ON the web: -------------------
It gets the same message across without destroying the innocent of children.
Abortion does kill and destroy an innocent life. However, why destroy the innocents of other children? Shouldn’t we protecting ALL children?
Now if my kids saw a 4D ultrasound picture, I could just tell them that a picture of baby inside the mommy’s tummy. Those people are holding those signs because some people don’t think that babies are ALIVE when they are in a mommy tummy, but we know they are. It’s good to let people know that babies are ALIVE when they are in the mommy’s tummy. That would have been much nicer to tell my kids.
However do to the graphic image this morning I’m left explaining why those babies were all “cut up.”
My children innocents were destroyed this morning.
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Catherine_S
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That is my point!
Can we not get beyond reason and touch the hearts of others?
Is it reason that opens so many to the** beauty and the wonder** of the Christmas Story?
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DARichards
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I would agree with you. In my teenage days, I was very heavily involved in the Right to Life movement in Mississippi. By showing the horrors of abortion, the hope is to relay the brutal fact of what abortion really does. Many people don’t want to face the reality of what really happens in the abortion mills. Is there a better way to do it, probably. Does it make it very hard for parents with children, and how to explain it…no doubt. I am of the opinion now that many people have now become callous to that form of protest. It is something that is expected. People are expecting to see graphic pictures, and sometimes even preserved “fetuses” at the protests.
The fact is that the heart of our culture is hardened. The heart of this nation must be changed before abortion is changed. Just showing parts of aborted babies won’t change hearts. It takes a divine move of the Holy Spirit changing “hearts of stone” into “hearts of flesh”.
Let us continue to lift them to our Mother…
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Mommyof02green
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My 4 year-old refused to sleep by herself tonight, she was afraid that she would have bad dreams about “those” babies. I’m hoping that in a few days she’ll be better.
My 5 year-old seems to be okay now, however he cares about his sister. He asked to sleep in a sleeping bag on the floor in his sister room so she wouldn’t have to sleep alone.
My hubby and I agreed that was fine for tonight. So my daughter is asleep in her bed and my son is on her bedroom floor sleeping in his sleeping bag. What a day!
Thanks for asking about them. God Bless.
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bear06
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Again, it does and has changed hearts. Sigh! Did anyone bother reading the stuff from Priests for Life? Just because we don’t like something doesn’t mean it isn’t a tactic that has merit. It doesn’t mean it’s not a tactic that hasn’t saved many babies. I’d have to disagree with those who don’t think the ends justifies the means. If the ends is a dead baby, our children losing sleep and being traumatized is worth it. And just for the record, my children haven’t been traumatized. I’m in no way saying some will not be though.
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M-Dent
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Protesting in a “public place”, a sign doesn’t need to be graphic.
I’m not one who has ever publicly protested yet if for some reason I was motivated to do so, I’d probably show up and silently pray.
Yet is there ever a right time for being graphic?
The subject of abortion has come up at work (small office and very relaxed rules on what subject matter can be discussed). I’m the only person in the office who is pro-life. A few people were quite surprised at how adamantly and absolutley 100% opposed to abortion I am.
On one occasion a co-worker tried hard to sway my opinion. I warned him that he needed his eyes opened more than I did and then showed him some graphic images of what partial term abortion actually accomplished. He couldn’t believe his eyes. I then asked who gave this kid a choice?
About 6 months later some news article sparked a conversation on the subject the co-worker who I displayed the photo’s to noted how he felt partial term abortion was very wrong. It’s a start.
There’s a time and a place for everything…
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Kendy
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I remember when I was six-years old, I watched this very sad documentary on slavery in the dominican republic. I watched people being treated horribly and heard stories about how they were killed. It’s my first conscience memory of terrible things happening in the world; I cried so hard that day. It didn’t traumatize me, but I have always had a deep concern about justice. Maybe, it started there.
I fully support the work of priests for life. I lot of people have changed their mind about abortion as a results, and no one works harder than them to stop abortion.
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Mommyof02green
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I have and I in a lot of ways agree with Fr. However, I believe, that the selection of picture used should be better! I can show at least 4 pictures of aborted babies, that are not bloody or show babies all “cut up”. Seeing a baby all “cut up” is what upset my children.
Here are just some examples of aborted babies:
mttu.com/abort-pics/new-baby%20choice%203.jpg
priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/07week/07_02.jpg
100abortionpictures.com/Aborted_Baby_Pictures_Abortion_Photos/Enlargement.cfm?ID=6
100abortionpictures.com/Aborted_Baby_Pictures_Abortion_Photos/Enlargement.cfm?ID=129
It gets the same message, but in “less-graphic” way. I don’t think we need to use the images of babies all “cut-up” to have the same affect…. especially seeing there are other children that could be seeing these pictures. Their innocents should also be protected.
Now would of the less graphic images made a difference for my children. Yes, I believe so….they would of just been sad that the baby died……not scared to death….my children are just plain scared and there is nothing I can do about it.
It’s nice that your children have not been traumatized. However, it’s not so great for me. It’s heart breaking that my 4 year-old didn’t want to go to sleep to night, over the fear of having bad dreams. It’s upsetting that my 5 year-old felt that he should sleep on his sister bedroom floor tonight to “help her” stay safe. I don’t believe it worth risking trauma to a child. As a Catholic-Christian, it is my understanding that I’m supposes to be protecting the innocents and lives of ALL Children!! Children in the womb and Children out of the womb!
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bear06
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Less graphic, in a lot of cases, means less effective. If you’re trying to show people the absolute horror of abortion, what better way than to show the most gruesome picture (I personally think the HLI one is the worst and it still makes me cry).
I’m sure you’ve asked your kids why they are scared. What did they say? Are they worried this is going to happen to them? I’d imagine that if you have people in your area screaming at people that they are going to hell that this was probably far more disturbing than the pictures. I can suggest this because I’ve seen my kids at event with graphic pictures and I’ve seen my kids at pro-life events where the pro-aborts are yelling at the pro-lifers and the pictures don’t scare them but the screaming is what scares them. The pictures make them sad and rightfully so. They do know, however, that their mom would never let this happen to them or their brothers and sisters.
Again, this is not about protecting a child’s innocence. It’s about protecting a child’s life. If someone broke into my home, I’d shoot to kill whether I knew this was the burlars intent even if my child was standing right next to me. Yes, his innocence would be gone but he would still be alive. Again, it’s not ourselves that are causing their innocence to be lost but the evil acts of others.
I also realize that it might not be so great for you and I do understand how horrible it is to have a scared child but what about a child who might still be alive because they saw those images? In all likelihood, your child will be fine in a day or two if you can distract her. These innocent babies who die from abortion will never be fine.
Anyways, I probably won’t change any minds here but I’d ask you to think about the opinions of the other side of the debate and not “indict” people There are some very good and holy people that might just be called by God to hold these signs whether we think it’s best or not. Many of these people have been out on the front lines for many years trying all sorts of tactics. They usually know what works and what doesn’t and you can’t hold everyone accountable for the bone heads who scream live raving loons.
I am curious to know of the people who are against graphic signs, do you regularly go to clinics or “show the truth” type events?
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blessedtoo
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I remember as a young girl seeing the movie “Night and Fog” about the concentration camps. I certainly did have nightmares, which makes perfect sense. It was a nightmare and my response was perfectly normal. I believe a child’s fearful reaction to such heinous and gruesome images is not traumatic as much as life-altering. As a result of viewing this movie in my childhood, I have always had the greatest compassion and love for those who died at the hands of the Nazi’s.
This is a wonderful approach, but it won’t be helpful for the woman who is pulling into the clinic for her abortion appointment.
I think this is a great point. In some respects, it is the action of a desperate people, and understandably so. If we were given more opportunity to exchange in thoughtful and prolonged explanation, signs such as these might not be required. However, I still go back to what a former poster said about the impact of graphic pictures. I remember the photo taken during the Vietnam War of the Vietnamese general pointing a gun at the head of his soldier right before he pulled the trigger. Or the photo of the little girl whose skin was shedding from her body from the napalm dropped during that war. These images had a PROFOUND effect on our society and were instrumental in changing a country’s opinion of a war.
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blessedtoo
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My city is sadly not very active in pro-life clinic demonstrations. I drive by a PP 3 times a week and never see anyone outside. However, outside my very liberal city, in a smaller town, there is an older woman (70’s) who stands outside a medical complex EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR YEARS, by herself mostly, with signs. Sometimes the signs are graphic and sometimes not. She never says a word, she is just there. Even these past two weeks of monsoon-like rains, she stands out there with her umbrella and her signs. She is a testament to faithfullness. When I first say her graphic signs, I used to look away in disgust. But I realized that if I were a woman entering that clinic with the intention of aborting a child, and I saw that sign, there would be absolutely no way I could go through with it. I can’t even begin to imagine how many babies this beautiful woman has saved. My disgust was fleeting and I got over it.
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Rand_Al_Thor
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Pax tecum!
That’s exactly why those signs are used. Your children saw the truth of abortion, and while it is bad that they were so young and saw something that graphic, it proves the evils of abortion because even at the age of 4, your children recognized that they were babies and that it was wrong for them to be “cut up”.
In Christ,
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callador
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This kind of ties into another forum I was posting on (Non-Catholic Religions - Culture of Death post).
It seems to me at times we as human beings have to be shown in a true way what we are doing. In the abortion clinic, they will try and make the patient as comfortable as possible. Like any medical routine, everyone is calm, and the abortion is just made to be routine procedure.
I think the women (and men) need to know what is really happening. They are not going to look at pamphlets (some could though) and signs are the only real way to at least let them see what is really happening. It is a bit graphic, but again, the graphic nature of the pictures gives them their strength. Look at the pictures of the Concentration Camps of WWII. Horrific! It reminds us what we as humans are capable of, and hopefully will be seared into our minds as a remembrance to never do such horrific things again. It does not always work, but it can at times. I was almost aborted at birth (parents were at the clinic), and I thank whoever was out there protesting. It got to my mom, and I am alive because of it. Praise God! If it can save one life (mine) I am sure it saves others.
God Bless.
It seems to me at times we as human beings have to be shown in a true way what we are doing. In the abortion clinic, they will try and make the patient as comfortable as possible. Like any medical routine, everyone is calm, and the abortion is just made to be routine procedure.
I think the women (and men) need to know what is really happening. They are not going to look at pamphlets (some could though) and signs are the only real way to at least let them see what is really happening. It is a bit graphic, but again, the graphic nature of the pictures gives them their strength. Look at the pictures of the Concentration Camps of WWII. Horrific! It reminds us what we as humans are capable of, and hopefully will be seared into our minds as a remembrance to never do such horrific things again. It does not always work, but it can at times. I was almost aborted at birth (parents were at the clinic), and I thank whoever was out there protesting. It got to my mom, and I am alive because of it. Praise God! If it can save one life (mine) I am sure it saves others.
God Bless.
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Mommyof02green
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She said she was afraid to close her eyes and go to sleep because she DID NOT want to see “those” babies “cut up”.
They are worried about babies being “cut up”. They asked if their BABY cousins would be okay.
This is getting off topic. However, I will answer and say that I would only do that if it were “necessary”. I would only do it if it were a life or death situation. I’ve had a burglar in my home while being home. We were upstairs and the burglars were downstairs. If the burglars came upstairs I don’t know what would of happen.
However, I do know that the police was called and we stayed upstairs waiting for the police to come or the burglars to leave… The burglars left, the police came and NO one was physically hurt that day.
I’m not trying to indict people. It just my opinion that there are better ways. I just sharing all that I have ever seen in MY AREA.
Death is Death: I just look at and see the “less-graphic” pictures and think why aren’t images like that used? Why do the people around MY AREA have to shout at these women and tell them they are going to hell? Why aren’t they helping these women? Why don’t they tell them were to get help?
AS for my kids, maybe the biggest problem is that before yesterday my kids didn’t know what an abortion was. They are 4 and 5; they don’t even know what sex is…
Before yesterday all they knew was that babies are in Mommy’s tummy before they are born. How do babies get in Mommy’s tummy? Well when a Mommy and Daddy love each other and are married, they get to have a baby in Mommy’s tummy with the help from God. A Mommy is only going to get a baby in the tummy if there is a Daddy too.
So they are confused, they don’t understand how if a Mommy and Daddy love each other and God had help them get a baby, why the Mommy, Daddy or the Drs. “cut-up” the baby. They wanted to know if the Dr wanted to “cut them up” when they were babies. It was a hard day for me, and I’m sure the next few days are going to be hard too.
Sure I’m angry. I’m angry that the picketers were there yesterday. However, would I be angry if I had another way of out of the hospital parking lot? No. If I had an option to avoided them, I would of avoided the picketers and left the hospital a different way. Not for my sake, but my kids sake.
Does that mean I’m hiding the truth from my kids? No of course not, I would and will share these things when they are older. I would have shared those things when we had the “sex talk”. As far as children goes the “sex talk” and “sex education” is best done in the home. It is my opinion that abortion is apart of sex education.
faith and family:
I would of and still will share with my kids in my home, when I felt they are ready.
I just think my biggest problem is that yesterday I was forced to share things with my kids that I didn’t feel they are ready for. Judging by their responses I know they were not ready for.
Maybe I’m angry because of where the protesters were standing. I had no other way to go, I could not avoid it yesterday. I couldn’t protect my children from those images.
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