Why do anti-abortion signs

[Mommyof02green]

I find it very hard to use the picketers you saw as an example because I don’t believe screaming at someone that they are going to hell is going to help. So, let’s say for example, it was Father Pavone outside holding the signsl. Is this priest supposed to stop holding graphic signs that have an effect on people or use signs with a lesser effect because some people with children might see them?

Would Fr. Pavone be standing outside a hospital? Would he be standing next to a school? Would be be standing outside a church? That’s the other thing that made me mad about the picketers stand where they were yesterday. They were outside a school building. The School and Hospital are on the same block.

If you believed that these graphic signs clearly save more lives would you be for them?

I don’t question what the sign do. I’m sure that it’s possible that it help saves lives. I guess, what I’m really questioning is how does a location get picked?

I mean the picketers I’ve seen yesterday were standing outside the hospital and a school. I’ve seen these picketers stand outside of churches (even my church) yelling things like your going to hell. Thank God that one happen before my kids were born, so they never saw that!

I went to a Lutheran Church last spring for a luncheon. The luncheon was to raise money for this local organization that buy coffins and gives support to parents and siblings of children who are going to die after birth because of some disease/birth defect.

These parents know that their kids are going to die, but instead of aborting them they let them be born. So this local organization buys coffins, clothing for the child to be buried in, especially a baby cap, because many of these baby are born with no skull that is why they die shortly after birth. They give support for these parents and families emotional and financial support for at least one year after the baby is born.

Anyway, that is why I went to this Lutheran Church last spring. I went there to help raise money for this organization and these anti-abortion protesters were standing there, outside this Lutheran Church, with their signs yelling at me and telling me I was going to hell.

 

[Karin]

So if you knew that those signs would stop a baby from being killed but your son would be traumatized you’d still be against it?!

Why do they have to show these signs/images where little kids are present?
I guess in your eyes who cares if you permantly scar a kid as long as you can show these pictures, right?

 

[dcdurel]

Someone wrote.
My children were not emotionally ready to see such graphic images. period.

1. 'The children undergoing the abortions were even less emotionally ready to experience their own agonizing deaths.
2. The pictures are not nearly as graphic as the real thing.
3. We all have to suffer because of the sins of others. Thus, to rid the world of a horrible evil, lesser evils must be tolerated even if they upset others. When child labor was present in this country, we had to have pictures of what was happening before laws were finally passed outlawing child labor. These pictures were unpleasant, but necessary
4. Children will get the watered down “pro choice” language much more often than pictures. It is good someone balances out the watered down language with something that is NOT the real thing, but only a picture of the real thing. I personally think that there should be mandatory movies of TV of the real thing every time a watered down version is promoted on TV, so that those who hear the word “abortion” will know exactly what is being done to innocent unborn children. When lies are given, “it is only a bit of tissue”, we must balance it out with the truth to be fair.

I don’t like looking at these pictures either. But in these days it is necessary if we are every going to change public opinion, and finally save innocent lives, becaus those promoting abortion don’t want the public to know the whole truth.

 

[Mommyof02green]

Someone wrote.
My children were not emotionally ready to see such graphic images. period.

1. 'The children undergoing the abortions were even less emotionally ready to experience their own agonizing deaths.
2. The pictures are not nearly as graphic as the real thing.
3. We all have to suffer because of the sins of others. Thus, to rid the world of a horrible evil, lesser evils must be tolerated even if they upset others. When child labor was present in this country, we had to have pictures of what was happening before laws were finally passed outlawing child labor. These pictures were unpleasant, but necessary
4. Children will get the watered down “pro choice” language much more often than pictures. It is good someone balances out the watered down language with something that is NOT the real thing, but only a picture of the real thing. I personally think that there should be mandatory movies of TV of the real thing every time a watered down version is promoted on TV, so that those who hear the word “abortion” will know exactly what is being done to innocent unborn children. When lies are given, “it is only a bit of tissue”, we must balance it out with the truth to be fair.

I don’t like looking at these pictures either. But in these days it is necessary if we are every going to change public opinion, and finally save innocent lives, becaus those promoting abortion don’t want the public to know the whole truth.

I would be that person! I do not hide the “Truth” from my children and I don’t attend to “always” give them “waterdown” graphics.

We are talking about 4 and 5 year-old here, not 12, 13, 14 year-olds. It is my opinion that there is a TIME and PLACE for everything. I believe that it is my right as a parent to teach MY children about sex, abortion, and birth control at their level and in accordance to our faith and morals. (That’s why my kids will be excused from the classroom during those “sex education” talks)

I just don’t understand why children are just not ‘allowed’ to be children anymore!

 

[perez639]

Innocent lives should not be taken, but innocence should not be taken from lives either.

Wow, beautifully stated.

Yet, I think its the adults that need to see the violence they are permitting and especially the ones that are passive about abortion being solely “a woman’s choice” They are ignorant to the violence being done. The truth is never pretty, but I completely agree that children should not be subjected to those types of pickets.

But its kinda like this…why is bad stuff always on the news, not cute, uplifting stories all the time? Every night there is a murder or some sort of assault that seems to take up a good segment of the broadcast. Why? Its because thats what grabs peoples attention. Its a sad thing…our culture these days.

Peace be with you all,

Regis University Student

 

[dcdurel]

I would be that person! I do not hide the “Truth” from my children and I don’t attend to “always” give them “waterdown” graphics.

We are talking about 4 and 5 year-old here, not 12, 13, 14 year-olds. It is my opinion that there is a TIME and PLACE for everything. I believe that it is my right as a parent to teach MY children about sex, abortion, and birth control at their level and in accordance to our faith and morals. (That’s why my kids will be excused from the classroom during those “sex education” talks)

I just don’t understand why children are just not ‘allowed’ to be children anymore!

I don’t like the pictures either. When there was child labor, people didn’t like those pictures either. Children didn’t like to see others suffering in these pictures either. But, until the pictures were printed, there was little done to stop child labor.
There would be no need for pictures if those promoting abortion always presented the truth. But they don’t, therefore we need pictures. The innocent of this world have always suffered because of the sins of the guilty.

 

[bear06]

Would Fr. Pavone be standing outside a hospital? Would he be standing next to a school? Would be be standing outside a church? That’s the other thing that made me mad about the picketers stand where they were yesterday. They were outside a school building. The School and Hospital are on the same block.

I don’t question what the sign do. I’m sure that it’s possible that it help saves lives. I guess, what I’m really questioning is how does a location get picked?

I mean the picketers I’ve seen yesterday were standing outside the hospital and a school. I’ve seen these picketers stand outside of churches (even my church) yelling things like your going to hell. Thank God that one happen before my kids were born, so they never saw that!

I went to a Lutheran Church last spring for a luncheon. The luncheon was to raise money for this local organization that buy coffins and gives support to parents and siblings of children who are going to die after birth because of some disease/birth defect.

These parents know that their kids are going to die, but instead of aborting them they let them be born. So this local organization buys coffins, clothing for the child to be buried in, especially a baby cap, because many of these baby are born with no skull that is why they die shortly after birth. They give support for these parents and families emotional and financial support for at least one year after the baby is born.

Anyway, that is why I went to this Lutheran Church last spring. I went there to help raise money for this organization and these anti-abortion protesters were standing there, outside this Lutheran Church, with their signs yelling at me and telling me I was going to hell.

Like I said, your protesters seem to have issues. And yes, I think Fr. Pavone would stand in all of those places with those kinds of signs. Hopefully someone will read the articles he has posted on this issue. He’s obviously carefully weighed both sides.

 

[bear06]

Why do they have to show these signs/images where little kids are present?
I guess in your eyes who cares if you permantly scar a kid as long as you can show these pictures, right?

It doesn’t appear that you have read this thread too well. First of all, I seriously doubt a child will be permanently scarred. Secondly, this isn’t just about showing pictures. It’s about saving lives. Nobody is showing these pictures for fun.

 

[bear06]

Someone wrote.
My children were not emotionally ready to see such graphic images. period.

1. 'The children undergoing the abortions were even less emotionally ready to experience their own agonizing deaths.
2. The pictures are not nearly as graphic as the real thing.
3. We all have to suffer because of the sins of others. Thus, to rid the world of a horrible evil, lesser evils must be tolerated even if they upset others. When child labor was present in this country, we had to have pictures of what was happening before laws were finally passed outlawing child labor. These pictures were unpleasant, but necessary
4. Children will get the watered down “pro choice” language much more often than pictures. It is good someone balances out the watered down language with something that is NOT the real thing, but only a picture of the real thing. I personally think that there should be mandatory movies of TV of the real thing every time a watered down version is promoted on TV, so that those who hear the word “abortion” will know exactly what is being done to innocent unborn children. When lies are given, “it is only a bit of tissue”, we must balance it out with the truth to be fair.

I don’t like looking at these pictures either. But in these days it is necessary if we are every going to change public opinion, and finally save innocent lives, becaus those promoting abortion don’t want the public to know the whole truth.

And not only that, when we win this battle, we can stop showing these horrible pictures.

 

[bear06]

I would be that person! I do not hide the “Truth” from my children and I don’t attend to “always” give them “waterdown” graphics.

We are talking about 4 and 5 year-old here, not 12, 13, 14 year-olds. It is my opinion that there is a TIME and PLACE for everything. I believe that it is my right as a parent to teach MY children about sex, abortion, and birth control at their level and in accordance to our faith and morals. (That’s why my kids will be excused from the classroom during those “sex education” talks)

I just don’t understand why children are just not ‘allowed’ to be children anymore!

Mainly because the goverment has said that they can be treated like adults. The time and the place to stop abortions is now. If we don’t do it, depending on what state you live in, your child can be waltzed into an abortion clinic without your knowledge and have a dangerous procedure that can hurt your child and kill your grandchild. There is nothing contained in those pictures that is contrary to our faith or our morals. Abortion is murder and it’s clearly shown.

 

[Kendy]

Again why should my 4 and 5 year old have these kind of worries?? I don’t understand, why I should have them ‘grow-up’ so fast??

Your children may be sad now, but this will not permanent scar them. However, it is important to have people face the reality of what abortion is. We like to sanitize everything in our culture to justify it, and sometimes, a dose of reality puts that in perspective for people.

Kendy

 

[HoppityRedux]

Maybe we should balance those abortion pics with graphic pics of childbirth, so the kids to could get a balanced view?

 

[Karin]

It doesn’t appear that you have read this thread too well. First of all, I seriously doubt a child will be permanently scarred. Secondly, this isn’t just about showing pictures. It’s about saving lives. Nobody is showing these pictures for fun.

well I am glad that YOU KNOW my kids will not be permanently scarred…
I understand very well what those pics. are for, thank you. I do not agree that they need to be shown where you know a large amount of young kids are though!

 

[Karin]

All I can say to those of you who think it is ok to display graphic pictures of dead children where small children might see them, is that it is a really good thing you do not live where I live. If you did you might find yourself indicted for exposing a minor to indecent material. I would be the one indicting you by the way.

We are not called to do evil to prevent evil. It is evil in my opinion to expose small children to graphic photos of someone who is dead, regardless of how they died or at what age. Children have a right to be raised with some amount of innocence. Innocent lives should not be taken, but innocence should not be taken from lives either.

I am exposed to dead people all the time as I am a felony prosecutor. However, if someone exposed my small child to this, they better be ready to spend a little time in jail. People of all ages are killed every day. It is a horrible thing. Stripping the innocence from a small child is not going to stop people from killing each other, but it sure does a great deal of harm to the child.

The ends do not justify the means. Just my two cents for what they are worth.

Yours in Christ.

A

very well stated…thank you!

 

[Mommyof02green]

Mainly because the goverment has said that they can be treated like adults. The time and the place to stop abortions is now. If we don’t do it, depending on what state you live in, your child can be waltzed into an abortion clinic without your knowledge and have a dangerous procedure that can hurt your child and kill your grandchild. There is nothing contained in those pictures that is contrary to our faith or our morals. Abortion is murder and it’s clearly shown.

My statement: I believe that it is my right as a parent to teach MY children about sex, abortion, and birth control at their level and in accordance to our faith and morals.

We already know that the pictures were not good for MY kids, we know this because of the way they reacted.

Yes, I understand where you are coming from. However, sex education is BEST taught IN the home. (see the Magna Carta)

I think that we should be reaching out to everyone, but in a way that gives them tools to teach their own kids.

Oh, well…maybe my vision is to far out there to reach anyone.

 

[Mommyof02green]

I’m not sure if this is the right forum; so if it needs to be moved I understand.

I see the mods moved the thread. Sorry mods, that I posted in the wrong forum. Thanks for putting this where it needed to be

 

[bear06]

well I am glad that YOU KNOW my kids will not be permanently scarred…
I understand very well what those pics. are for, thank you. I do not agree that they need to be shown where you know a large amount of young kids are though!

You may understand very well what the pictures our but you’re not reading this thread very well. I didnt say that I knew your kids wouldn’t be permanently scarred. I said I seriously doubt it. Maybe because I know literally hundreds of kids that have been exposed to them at an early age and they’re just fine even though the pictures are disturbing.

BTW, my point here is that if I have to risk my children’s peace to save a child, I will.

Yesterday I had something that reminded me of this whole conversation. I was the first on scene yesterday at a roll over accident and I had a full load my children in the car. As I go out and saw the reckage, I thought “Oh no, my kids are going to have to see this dead body! Please help them, Lord”. There was a really good chance that this women was going to be dead. Does that mean I shouldn’t have stopped? I’m here to tell you that my children would have been very disturbed. God answered my prayers because, miraculously (and I mean miraculously and if you could have seen the car you would agree) she had not a scratch on her.
Still, even if she had been bleeding all over, my husband and I had to help her.

 

[Karin]

You may understand very well what the pictures our but you’re not reading this thread very well. I didnt say that I knew your kids wouldn’t be permanently scarred. I said I seriously doubt it. Maybe because I know literally hundreds of kids that have been exposed to them at an early age and they’re just fine even though the pictures are disturbing.

BTW, my point here is that if I have to risk my children’s peace to save a child, I will.

Yesterday I had something that reminded me of this whole conversation. I was the first on scene yesterday at a roll over accident and I had a full load my children in the car. As I go out and saw the reckage, I thought “Oh no, my kids are going to have to see this dead body! Please help them, Lord”. There was a really good chance that this women was going to be dead. Does that mean I shouldn’t have stopped? I’m here to tell you that my children would have been very disturbed. God answered my prayers because, miraculously (and I mean miraculously and if you could have seen the car you would agree) she had not a scratch on her.
Still, even if she had been bleeding all over, my husband and I had to help her.

well each their own…I prefer to keep my young kids away from this stuff (to keep their innocence)…until I decide that they are ready to see these things. You subject your kids to these things that is your right…I dont want my kids to be subjected to these things and that is my right!

 

[bear06]

My statement: I believe that it is my right as a parent to teach MY children about sex, abortion, and birth control at their level and in accordance to our faith and morals.

We already know that the pictures were not good for MY kids, we know this because of the way they reacted.

Yes, I understand where you are coming from. However, sex education is BEST taught IN the home. (see the Magna Carta)

I think that we should be reaching out to everyone, but in a way that gives them tools to teach their own kids.

Oh, well…maybe my vision is to far out there to reach anyone.

I understand this. That said, not every situation in life lends itself to our children coming first. Like I said, this isn’t about education, it’s about saving lives and this idea seems to be getting lost.

I don’t think your vision is a bad one. If people actually taught their own kids right and wrong and made sure they knew what was going on in their lives, nobody would have to hold the signs. Hopefully this will be the situation in the near future.

 

[bear06]

well each their own…I prefer to keep my young kids away from this stuff (to keep their innocence)…until I decide that they are ready to see these things. You subject your kids to these things that is your right…I dont want my kids to be subjected to these things and that is my right!

And I don’t think you’ll find me saying otherwise. I’m certainly not out there telling you that you are wrong for not getting out there and holding one of those signs, am I? My only request is that nobody condemn the actions of those who are out there doing what they think works best to save lives. My younger children haven’t, fortunately, seen those signs yet and, God willing, they won’t until they are older. That said, if it happens, I will pray really hard and explain it to them! My older kids were exposed at a young age to them and I haven’t regretted this decision. You have to do what you think best for your child and handle the unexpected when it comes up. That said, all of our priorities should be to stop the murder of innocent children however we can.