Why do anti-abortion signs

[boppaid]

Again, we’re not talking about the the taking away of innocence. We’re talking about the taking of a human life.

I think, then, you are misunderstanding me. I am talking about the taking away of innocence. My children’s inncocnce, that is, when they see such evil pictures. I’m saying that the “end” (trying to end abortion) does not justify the “means” showing small children evil, nightmere-invoking pictures.

Again, shooting someone with a gun is usually considered evil unless it’s used in self defense. It’s the same thing with these pictures. If you consider this to be an evil act period then I guess there really would be no point in continuing further since it’s the same as holding those graphic signs. Yes, a child may happen upon them but they are a perfectly justified means of self defense on behalf of the defenseless.

Shooting someone in self defense means that the person being shot did something wrong to precede their getting shot. What did our children do wrong?

 

[boppaid]

The intent of those holding the posters is good, as in educate about abortion. The end willed is good as in helping to end abortion.

And the end result to using embryos for stem cell research to potentially saving lives is good. Especially since they are thrown in the garbage whether or not they are used for research. But as we always say, even though good can come out of it, the end doesn’t justify the means, right?

The means used, photos of aborted children, are not evil.

I beg to differ.

Please show how the means are evil. Some have concluded some children may experience some type of psychological trauma. I am asking if such trauma is in and of itself evil?

The trauma isn’t evil in and of itself. Knowingly inflicting trauma on a child is.

Evil may never be done even to achieve a good. My point is no one has shown that holding posters that some children may see and may cause some “negative” pshychological experience is an evil means.

I think inflicting ill on children and hurting them IN ANY WAY, even a psychological one, is evil. And further, I think that it is VERY wrong to take away a parents right to decide when their child sees pornography, lustful images, crude language, and murdered babies.

Sorry, I’m just so passionate about this. I’m not against free speech, and I’m not against right-to-life marches. I’m against using these pictures. I think it is a very UN Christian response.

 

[boppaid]

Can you provide proof for these accusations?

Proof of what? My opinion that he’s doing something evil? I’m really confused as to what you are looking for. Are you saying that it’s moral to hurt children even for a greater good?

What constitutes an unjust means? Can anyone tell us? So far I have seen things that violate the natural moral law or divine law may be unjust means such as lying, contraception, muder, ect. I have seen no proof holding these photos is unjust.

Again, I can’t understand what you are asking. WHy do you require PROOF that hurting children is immoral? Or are you questioning the parents who say their children were hurt by this? Do you need the parents to provide you with proof? What kind of proof are you looking for?

It seems those who hold these posters have no intention of showing them to innocent children. That they may be seen is unintentional and any evil effect certainly is less proportionate than the evil of abortion.

Well, maybe we should get the word out. Children do, indeed, see these every time they are displayed. So, now, there no excuse for saying “I didn’t mean for children to see them.”

(and please don’t mistake my passion on the subject for being a jerk. I realize things come out in print different than the intent sometimes is.)

 

[boppaid]

The signs are not meant for children to see and “destroy their innocence” the signs just display to the public that which is happening behind closed doors.

If the signs are not meant for children to see, they should be kept where children do not go.

Many have given examples of horrible violent acts that have been committed in the past and posed the question: Would you show your children videos of that?

No of course not.

But remember the horrible things you cited were witnessed by children of all ages. They too had to see what was going on. If I were in a country where people were executed en mass and I walked by a public execution site with my children I would not go over to the kids and point it all out in gory detail. They would probably catch a glimpse and I would tell them: “That is what the regime is doing to us, this is why we pray. This is why daddy is fighting in the rebellion…”

Okay. But would you show YOUR children…who live their comfortable safe life in the suburbs, who, in their 4 or 5 years of life, have no first hand knowledge of evil, those pictures. That is what is happening to my children when they pass those signs.

The pictures are not aimed at children. You keep discussing them as if they were.

Then, again, they shouldn’t be placed in a place where children can see them.

It would be better to not focus on them as if they were aimed at children, because nobody is learning anything in this debate.

Of course we’re focusing on that. That is the topic of this thread! And this thread was started because posters like this harmed someones children.

The truth must be brought to the open.

My children are too young for this truth. Please keep it away from them.

Jesus was crucified in public and we have gory horrific images of him at the front of our church for all to see.

No we dont’. We have pretty bronze statues that display no blood, no gore.

 

[marcsababa]

Okay we have gone round and round on this for a while. I suggest that we take this discussion to another level:

What if we covered up the gory body of Christ on the cross?

What is amazing to me is that we are having this disagreement among people who all worship a bloody defiled God on a cross. We EAT him and drink his blood. We meditate on his passion. That means we think about 5 bloody wounds, one torn back and a head pierced by a crown of thorns that were so long they went into his brain. He was so disfigured that he no longer looked human.

I truly believe that at the root of our disagreement is the avoidance of reality. This may be something that we learned or didn’t learn as children. It is not necessarily our fault. We live a privileged existence full of creature comforts. We are not to be faulted for not being taught about evil. That we have crucifixes that are made so discreetly so that we can easily forget the reality of the gory violence inflicted on our saviour. I have seen churches that skip the crucifix altogether and just have a plain cross. But I believe that as adults we have to challenge ourselves and perhaps each of us in this discussion could say in our prayers: Please Lord help me and guide me. Show me the truth. Am I insulated from reality? OR Am I too harsh and trying to rub peoples’ face in sadder aspects of reality in a way that is not productive?

 

[fix]

And the end result to using embryos for stem cell research to potentially saving lives is good. Especially since they are thrown in the garbage whether or not they are used for research. But as we always say, even though good can come out of it, the end doesn’t justify the means, right?

Yes, in that case the means are clearly evil. The means violate the right to life. The means of using a photo are evil in what way? In other words the method to convey the evil of abortion is exposing a photo. Is simply showing a photo of an aborted child evil?

I beg to differ.

Yes, you differ but you have no proof. What reason based in moral theology can you show us to help me see your position is not simply your opinion but is objectively correct.

See, it is one thing for you not to “like” the idea of using the pics and it is a very different idea to claim that using the pics are evil.

The trauma isn’t evil in and of itself. Knowingly inflicting trauma on a child is. \

But that is not the case. The folks are not intending to inflict trauma. That is an unintended consequence. It would be like me driving to work and accidentally hitting a child. Does that make the means of using a car evil? Even good, or morally neutral, actions may have bad effects.

I think inflicting ill on children and hurting them IN ANY WAY, even a psychological one, is evil.

That is too broad an accusation. If I give an injection of an antibiotic and the child cries and is afraid of injections for years later is my means evil?

And further, I think that it is VERY wrong to take away a parents right to decide when their child sees pornography, lustful images, crude language, and murdered babies.

No one is taking away anyone’s rights. That is a red herring.
We each have obligations to raise our children as we deem correct, but that does not mean others do not have rights and obligations that may effect our own kids at times.

Sorry, I’m just so passionate about this. I’m not against free speech, and I’m not against right-to-life marches. I’m against using these pictures. I think it is a very UN Christian response.

Again, I was more sympathetic to your view until I actually thought out the logic and morality of it all. The unintended evil our kids may experience is indirect and not proportionate to the good of ending abortion.

 

[fix]

Proof of what? My opinion that he’s doing something evil? I’m really confused as to what you are looking for. Are you saying that it’s moral to hurt children even for a greater good?

I mean to say we can’t go around accusing others of evil actions without proof. You may not like the possible effects to your children but that does not mean you may call another’s actions evil without providing proof.

Again, I can’t understand what you are asking. WHy do you require PROOF that hurting children is immoral?

Because you are placing a burden on folks with no legitimate proof they are wrong. That some kids are “hurt” does not axiomatically mean that others are guilty.

Or are you questioning the parents who say their children were hurt by this? Do you need the parents to provide you with proof? What kind of proof are you looking for?

No, I am saying that others are fighting a grave evil that threatens us. How they fight the fight should be done in a moral way. That others may get “hurt” unintentionally does not mean the fight they are pursuing is done in an evil way.

You want to make it a simple equation as in saying my kids saw a photo some folks were carrying. They got scared therefore those folks committed an evil act. It is not that simple. Yes, your kids may be “hurt” in some way. No, that does not automatically mean those carrying the pics were wrong. The proof is not simply cause and effect.

Well, maybe we should get the word out. Children do, indeed, see these every time they are displayed. So, now, there no excuse for saying “I didn’t mean for children to see them.”

(and please don’t mistake my passion on the subject for being a jerk. I realize things come out in print different than the intent sometimes is.)

I do not think you are a jerk. I have small children. I worry over them. I protect them. I respect your view. I am trying to parse the topic out so that I can approach it with wisdom and logic and not simply act on my emotions which may or may not be correct.

See my point?

 

[marcsababa]

I do not think you are a jerk. I have small children. I worry over them. I protect them. I respect your view. I am trying to parse the topic out so that I can approach it with wisdom and logic and not simply act on my emotions which may or may not be correct.

See my point?

i see.

 

[marcsababa]

My children innocents were destroyed this morning.

So it has been at least a week now…

Take a good look at your children. Are they fine?

Are they ever going to condone abortion?

Your children do not have to be ignorant.

I have a friend who was upset because I told her little girl that she should not go wandering far away from us because coyotes come here and they have been known to attack little people. The little girl, about 4-ish, asked me some questions about this and I told her about animals that prey upon smaller animals and that since she is small and vulnerable she has to stick close to her mother who is not seen as prey…

The girl seemed to enjoy the discussion and had asked some thoughtful questions. A few weeks later the subject came up in a way that showed me the mom had not been happy with this exposure to reality and had found it disturbing that her daughter continued to ask her parnts questions to clarify the matter.

Now a year or two later the girl is still fine. She still knows that she should consider her environment carefully and that she should remain close to her mother in potentially dangerous places. Just like any good little chick.

Was her innocence destroyed? Sure if innocence means living with the idea that there is no danger in the world.

I think that your children will pull through fine. Pray to Mary to help you. But do not get angry at those who are fighting the good fight. They are not doing anything immoral.

 

[Mommyof02green]

So it has been at least a week now…Take a good look at your children. Are they fine?

Maybe you missed what I posted earlier this week.

They are but they aren’t… we have been focus on my hubby seeing he had surgery a week ago yesterday. So they were focusing on him and rightly so. Sometimes when nothing is going on they ask…but it hasn’t been the main focus cause of hubby surgery.

Hubby has been back to work…so they aren’t “worry” about their Dad so much. My daughter ever since seeing the pictures (the abortion pictures) refuses to sleep without the light on. She’s afraid that someone is going to come in the night. She said that she has dreams about being ‘cut-up’.

Now I know that my hubby surgery has been hard on her, after all the Dr. had to cut Daddy for surgery. So that hasn’t help. However, I also know that it just not Daddy’s surgery that gave her those fears. Her thing started with just ‘babies being “cut-up” now it has moved into a fear of her being cut up.

Again, I know that the abortion pictures aren’t totally to blame for the fear she’s going to be “cut-up”. However, they helped give her that fear, I know it’s the combo of the abortion pictures and my hubby surgery that is upsetting her.

Now, my Son still refuses to talk about or hear the word “blood”. If anyone said the word “blood” he tell us all very clearly: “Do not talk about blood it makes me sad.” So I’ve taken a good look at my kids I talk to my kids daily, they are still upset over what they saw, they have been upset about that, and they have been upset about Daddy’s surgery. It’s been a few stressful weeks for them.

Are they ever going to condone abortion?

Are you asking if my kids would approve of the abortion? The answer to that is I hope NOT!!! They are being raised with morals and are being taught the difference between right and wrong. My hubby and I are in the process of helping them inform their conscience. We hope to give them a good moral guideline with clear boundaries of this is right and this is wrong. We hope and pray that they will always choose the “right”.

Your children do not have to be ignorant.

God gave my Hubby and I these children. He trusted our children’s up bringing in our hands. We have a moral obligation to teach our children right and wrong. It is our duty to rise them in the Catholic Faith and to teach them what we as Catholic-Christians believe.

I firmly believe with that obligation comes the understanding that with some things it’s better to wait until they are older, or to teach them bits and pieces at their age level. I know that the Church agrees with that to a certain extent. I know this because in the Latin Rite first reconciliation and first communion are not until the age of reason: which here in the US is about 2nd-3rd grade.

If the Church believes that a child can’t understand or receive Christ before the age of reason, then why should a child BELOW the age of reason be exposed to abortion pictures and be taught the “horrors of abortion”? Further more, why should children be expose when the parent feels it’s NOT the “time” for them? Everything has its time and place.

Would of any of the parents here have a flow blown discussion with their 5 year old about sex. What is sex? What body parts are involved? Who is in involved? What’s an orgasm? What’s an ejection? What’s a period? The whole thing, condoms, ABC everything and anything about sex. Would any of the parents here have that talk with their 5 year old?

I have a friend who was upset because I told her little girl…
….close to her mother who is not seen as prey.

umm I would be upset too. Why? Well, you ended the little story “close to her, Mother”. Mom was there! It was Mom’s call not yours! I would be mad if my friend did that to my children too.

I’m grateful that in a situation like that my friend would come up to me and quietly say to me and to ME ONLY, you know there are coyotes in these woods and I’m just worried that your little one would be seen as prey…. I think it would be best if she stayed close to us. By telling me she is leaving it for me to deiced was best for my little one. With Mom being there you had no right, in my opinion, to say something like that: It was Mom’s call.

PS: If you say NO to those questions about talking to your 5 year-old about sex, then you may understand my point. You feel that talking about sex is not right for a 5 year-old. I feel that talking about abortion is not right for a 5 year-old.

 

[Zooey]

I like watching a show called “In the womb”; I forget what channel now. Any way I like watching it, they are going to be doing one here soon on baby animals, dolphin, elephant, and dog… I can’t wait. I’ve seen the pictures and have seen the commericals it’s going to be a good thing.

One of the posters mention earlier, how it’s not about education. I have to disagree with that. It’s all about education and informing the conscience.

post-abortion is AFTER the fact. How many would have an abortion if they REALLY knew how a human body/baby develops? Would they have an abortion if they new what REALLY happens in the womb. Men and Women need to know what is going on today, what that baby in the womb is doing today. (I guess that’s why I like show like IN the womb)

If they knew what really happen in the womb, then I believe that there is no way in good conscience that they would agree to ending that baby’s life.

And the end result to using embryos for stem cell research to potentially saving lives is good. Especially since they are thrown in the garbage whether or not they are used for research. But as we always say, even though good can come out of it, the end doesn’t justify the means, right?

The trauma isn’t evil in and of itself. Knowingly inflicting trauma on a child is.

I think inflicting ill on children and hurting them IN ANY WAY, even a psychological one, is evil. And further, I think that it is VERY wrong to take away a parents right to decide when their child sees pornography, lustful images, crude language, and murdered babies.

Sorry, I’m just so passionate about this. I’m not against free speech, and I’m not against right-to-life marches. I’m against using these pictures. I think it is a very UN Christian response.

I agree with both of you.
Show those wonderful pictures of living babies, rolling around inside their mothers.

And to those who favor the graphic photos with the dismembered bodies: If this is such a great idea, if it works so well–
Why the he** is it that we have passed 45 million abortions, & still counting??? Let me see, let me think… Aha!!:
**[SIGN]**The pictures of dead babies don’t work!!!****[/SIGN]

 

[bear06]

I know that as far as you are concern innocence of children that are living post-womb does not matter when it comes to anti-abortion signs and protesting abortions. I know that for you the lost of a post-womb living child’s innocents and a child loosing his/her life via abortion do not compare. So for you the innocence of a child is a mute point when it comes to stopping abortion.

Really, where did I say this!!! Hmmm…I remember saying that when my children come face to face with this evil that I pray and trust that God will protect them in. It’s far from a moot point. It’s a tradedy for all of society that people must come face to face with this issue. The sad fact is that it is necessary to provide a most effective means of saving a baby.

However, I started this thread because of the loss of my children’s innocents. Lost of children innocents was the point of the OP that started this thread.

 

[Mommyof02green]

Bear, I know that you don’t see it being on the same playing-field. I know that as far as you are concern innocence of children that are living post-womb does not matter when it comes to anti-abortion signs and protesting abortions. I know that for you the lost of a post-womb living child’s innocents and a child loosing his/her life via abortion do not compare. So for you the innocence of a child is a mute point when it comes to stopping abortion.

Really, where did I say this!!! Hmmm…I remember saying that when my children come face to face with this evil that I pray and trust that God will protect them in. It’s far from a moot point. It’s a tradedy for all of society that people must come face to face with this issue. The sad fact is that it is necessary to provide a most effective means of saving a baby.

Well you may not of said those exact words but it’s the impression I got from reading some of your other postings.

The point of using these pictures are to make them react like your children! The mothers of these children should be repulsed and scared. It’s a repulsive and scary thing and they, for the majority, don’t realize it.

Sigh! I’ve said this before. If it comes to a child being killed and my children being scared, I pick my kids being scared. It’s nice to be in the position to always put our children first but when you’re dealing with another child about to be killed, it’s not always possible. There’s no hope of recovery from death.

It doesn’t appear that you have read this thread too well. First of all,** I seriously doubt a child will be permanently scarred**. Secondly, this isn’t just about showing pictures. It’s about saving lives. Nobody is showing these pictures for fun.

It was after reading posting like this that I got the understanding that as far as you are concern innocence of children that are living post-womb does not matter when it comes to anti-abortion signs and protesting abortions. It was after reading posting like that I got the understanding that for you the lost of a post-womb living child’s innocents and a child loosing his/her life via abortion do not compare. I got the understanding that the innocence of a child is a mute point when it comes to stopping abortion, in your opinion.

If I misunderstood your posting then I’m sorry.

 

[Mommyof02green]

Actually, you asked a question and I answered it. You don’t like the answer but I will not stop defending using these signs.

Of course I don’t like the use of the signs, because of what I have to deal with here. I don’t like the use of the signs, because of my children and what I feel is my right to educate them. I knew when I posted this thread I would have people tell me that we should be using the signs, because of the evil of abortion or because of this, or that etc.

Actually, a very, very small part of me hoping that I would be the only one that saw things my way! Why? Well if I was the only one, then I would know that I was way out in left field on this one. However, I’m NOT the only one…. So it really does leaving wondering who is right, who is wrong? Or is nobody wrong, we just need to come to a middle ground on this one? If so what is middle ground?
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I understand that you have trouble with the method. Who doesn’t? It’s a tragedy all around. That said, it seems ridiculous to toss aside the opinions of those who have been on the front lines for years and have seen the tragedies. I volunteered at a CPC when I was sixteen. I’ve been around for awhile and see what works and what doesn’t. To say that these signs don’t work, as some have said, is ridiculous. Thankfully, the tide seems to be slowly turning.

Just for the record! Just because I disagree doesn’t mean that I haven’t thought about it, nor does it mean I just “toss” aside your opinions or the opinions of others here on the thread. I don’t post every thought I have!

Because there is not respect for the life God gave us.

I agree, that MANY people do not respect the life that God gives us on so many levels. However, I know that there are MANY people that do respect the life God give us.

Many prayers for you family.

Thank-you and God Bless.

 

[bear06]

Shooting someone in self defense means that the person being shot did something wrong to precede their getting shot. What did our children do wrong?

Actually, that the short version of an original post. Let me see if I could find a precise scenario. Your 2 year old neighbor was being abducted by a know child abductor and you had the chance to shoot the abductor (without hurting the child, of course) and your little child was with you. Would you take the shot? I’m betting you would and I certainly would whether I knew or not that the 2 year old would be harmed by the abductor. We know that these children are going to be murdered. I’m taking my best shot.

 

[bear06]

My daughter ever since seeing the pictures (the abortion pictures) refuses to sleep without the light on. She’s afraid that someone is going to come in the night. She said that she has dreams about being ‘cut-up’.

Now I know that my hubby surgery has been hard on her, after all the Dr. had to cut Daddy for surgery. So that hasn’t help. However, I also know that it just not Daddy’s surgery that gave her those fears. Her thing started with just ‘babies being “cut-up” now it has moved into a fear of her being cut up.

Again, I know that the abortion pictures aren’t totally to blame for the fear she’s going to be “cut-up”. However, they helped give her that fear, I know it’s the combo of the abortion pictures and my hubby surgery that is upsetting her.

Now, my Son still refuses to talk about or hear the word “blood”. If anyone said the word “blood” he tell us all very clearly: “Do not talk about blood it makes me sad.” So I’ve taken a good look at my kids I talk to my kids daily, they are still upset over what they saw, they have been upset about that, and they have been upset about Daddy’s surgery. It’s been a few stressful weeks for them. Are you asking if my kids would approve of the abortion? The answer to that is I hope NOT!!! They are being raised with morals and are being taught the difference between right and wrong. My hubby and I are in the process of helping them inform their conscience. We hope to give them a good moral guideline with clear boundaries of this is right and this is wrong. We hope and pray that they will always choose the “right”. God gave my Hubby and I these children. He trusted our children’s up bringing in our hands. We have a moral obligation to teach our children right and wrong. It is our duty to rise them in the Catholic Faith and to teach them what we as Catholic-Christians believe.

I firmly believe with that obligation comes the understanding that with some things it’s better to wait until they are older, or to teach them bits and pieces at their age level. I know that the Church agrees with that to a certain extent. I know this because in the Latin Rite first reconciliation and first communion are not until the age of reason: which here in the US is about 2nd-3rd grade.

If the Church believes that a child can’t understand or receive Christ before the age of reason, then why should a child BELOW the age of reason be exposed to abortion pictures and be taught the “horrors of abortion”? Further more, why should children be expose when the parent feels it’s NOT the “time” for them? Everything has its time and place.

Would of any of the parents here have a flow blown discussion with their 5 year old about sex. What is sex? What body parts are involved? Who is in involved? What’s an orgasm? What’s an ejection? What’s a period? The whole thing, condoms, ABC everything and anything about sex. Would any of the parents here have that talk with their 5 year old?
umm I would be upset too. Why? Well, you ended the little story “close to her, Mother”. Mom was there! It was Mom’s call not yours! I would be mad if my friend did that to my children too.

I’m grateful that in a situation like that my friend would come up to me and quietly say to me and to ME ONLY, you know there are coyotes in these woods and I’m just worried that your little one would be seen as prey…. I think it would be best if she stayed close to us. By telling me she is leaving it for me to deiced was best for my little one. With Mom being there you had no right, in my opinion, to say something like that: It was Mom’s call.

PS: If you say NO to those questions about talking to your 5 year-old about sex, then you may understand my point. You feel that talking about sex is not right for a 5 year-old. I feel that talking about abortion is not right for a 5 year-old.

 

[bear06]

PS: If you say NO to those questions about talking to your 5 year-old about sex, then you may understand my point. You feel that talking about sex is not right for a 5 year-old. I feel that talking about abortion is not right for a 5 year-old

Alas, I don’t because talking to my children about sex is not going to directly intervene for a child’s life which is about to be taken.

 

[Grace_Angel]

I agree with both of you.
Show those wonderful pictures of living babies, rolling around inside their mothers.

And to those who favor the graphic photos with the dismembered bodies: If this is such a great idea, if it works so well–
Why the he** is it that we have passed 45 million abortions, & still counting??? Let me see, let me think… Aha!!:
**[SIGN]**The pictures of dead babies don’t work!!!****[/SIGN]

We have 45 million and still counting, year in year out, because not enough people have seen what abortion actually does. It has become a right and rights are good and no body should be deprived of their rights. Well, these rights bring with them death. And these same rights about abortion have contributed to the mentality that embryo’s are OK to experiement on because they are going to be put in a bin anyway. Imagine an embryo, a child in its earliest times of creations experiemented on so that another person might grow a new toe. When God breathe’s a new life into being, He doesnt breathe it in small bits, He breathe’s a whole person, in its totality. It remains for the child to grow into the whole person it will become, given the chance to be born.
Stem cell/embryo/cloning have come to pass because abortion became a “right.” if its OK to kill a child in the womb (as a right) then its OK to “use”: it for experimentation purposes.
Grace A.

 

[Grace_Angel]

Actually, that the short version of an original post. Let me see if I could find a precise scenario. Your 2 year old neighbor was being abducted by a know child abductor and you had the chance to shoot the abductor (without hurting the child, of course) and your little child was with you. Would you take the shot? I’m betting you would and I certainly would whether I knew or not that the 2 year old would be harmed by the abductor. We know that these children are going to be murdered. I’m taking my best shot.

Bear6 I dont know what you are saying. Sorry.
GraceAngel

 

[bear06]

Well you may not of said those exact words but it’s the impression I got from reading some of your other postings.

I’ve clarified more than a few times that it makes me sick that our society is in a situation that makes the use of these pictures necessary. I’ve also clarified at that I spend much time in prayer that my children will be able to deal with these pictures in the instances where they see them. I do what I do for my children as well as for the babies about to be put to death. If you think you’re in a world of hurt now, I don’t think that it’s compared to anything that is coming in our world. God is not going to bless a country that is killing their own.

It was after reading posting like this that I got the understanding that as far as you are concern innocence of children that are living post-womb does not matter when it comes to anti-abortion signs and protesting abortions. It was after reading posting like that I got the understanding that for you the lost of a post-womb living child’s innocents and a child loosing his/her life via abortion do not compare. I got the understanding that the innocence of a child is a mute point when it comes to stopping abortion, in your opinion.

If I misunderstood your posting then I’m sorry.

I’d suggest you try and read the posts with an unbiased mind and read everything we’ve posted. I’ve never said a child’s innocence doesn’t matter. I’ve tried to give some clear parellels that must have fallen short.

There’s a picture here that’s bigger than you and your children which greatly effects your children.