Why do Baptists Bash Catholics?

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Can i answer a question with a question?
As a catholic you are used to certain traditions, baptists believe that the bible has more authority than man. Catholics believe that man has more authority than the bible!
Here comes the disagreement!
Now the question… catholics and orthodox baptise babies …where does this practice come from?

Ok
Not the bible! it cannot be found anywhere…
Do you read history?
Then if you do you can search and find out that this practice was used by pagans ONLY… and was adopted by catholics & orthodox…

I hope i answered your question.
Regards
The Bible reader!
nowhere in the bible? really? and no, im not going to use the argument of circumcision. when the israelite were to appear before their God, at mt. sanai, what was moses ordered by God to do? he was to sprinkle the entire congregation in blood! the ENTIRE congregation. not just the men, not just the women. but the children and babies to. the whole lot of them. i know, i know. your going to take all this and try to side track it by saying baptize means to immerse. but already in the o.t. we see a baptism that encompassed everyone in the community. as far as the bible… the Catholic Church is before the new testament. if you have a new testament. thank a Catholic. by the way. was Moses a pagan?
 
Let me ask you all a different question: “Why do some Catholics and some Baptists ‘bash’ each other?” “Bashing” is certainly not limited to any one Christian denomination, and I have not found any denomination that is completely untainted by it. But why do any of you do it? If I were an atheist in here, I would go away saying, “I don’t think any of them are true followers of Jesus because there is no unity among them.”
you are correct michael. there is no unity between us. and we cannot have unity, without having to give up truth. i for one would not give up the Eucharist, the Blessed Mother, the deutrocannonical books. the magesterium, or the pope. all of which is found in the Catholic Church. and im sure there are Baptist who would not want to give up some of their practices, and most certainly they would not want to adopt some of ours. and im sure most atheist are intelligent enough to see this. at least the ones i have known 😉 peace to you and yours 🙂
 
Part of another site is shown below. For the whole article go to -
davidmacd.com/catholic/infant_baptism.htm

Most Evangelicals think that Baptism is simply an outward sign of a profession of faith. They don’t think anything supernatural occurs during baptism. So, given their beliefs, it makes sense that Evangelicals think that only adults, who consciously proclaim Christ should be baptized. They consider it simply a public witness to their "“born again” decision and since babies can’t make that decision, they feel there is no reason for the “sign” of baptism until they can make such a decision.

Catholics don’t believe Baptism is only a sign. We believe something very profound and tangible happens during Baptism. We believe the Bible when it says that Baptism washes away sin. (Acts 22:16) So for us, it is not as much about what we give during baptism (i.e., a profession of faith) but it is about what we get, which is salvation. We believe this salvation is for babies too. Jesus said “let the little children come to me.” (Lk 18:16)

you are missing the point and confusing his presence with the act the Christ himself undertook when he was baptised by John for the first time and he was submersed under water! the bible here clearly gives instruction/formula to how it should be done

We didn’t choose to be born into humanity but we nevertheless received the grace of human life. Similarly, Catholics don’t think babies have to consciously choose Baptism in order to receive its grace.

We didn’t choose to be born into the sin of Adam, (caused by his disobedience), yet nevertheless we were born into it (original sin). In the same way, Catholics believe that as infants, we can receive the saving grace of Baptism that was won by Jesus’ obedience, without consciously choosing it.***Again you refer to a denomination as a faith instead of biblical knowledge that confirms direct obedience to God who created all through the Word
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. ***

We don’t ask a baby if it wants to eat. We just feed him or her. We don’t ask a baby if it wants its diaper changed, we simply change the diaper. We don’t ask a baby if it needs a bath, we simply give the baby a bath when it is dirty. We take these simple and logical actions to physically clean up a baby. Catholics think it is even more important to do the same thing spiritually, through baptism. We need i understand your reasoning but it is human reasoning, if i am wrong show me in the bibleto let our Lord wash away the “original sin” from the baby.
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And Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him." (Acts 2:38-39)
Here we see that Baptism applies to children. Perhaps some Evangelicals might look at this text and say the kids in this passage are saved by the parent’s Baptism, but then the sentence would not say that the promise is for “all who are far off.” Surely, the adult Baptism does not save “all who are far off” also.

Now they were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them; and when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them to him, saying, ‘Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God’ (Luke 18:15–16).

Here we see children being brought to Jesus before they were able to make a personal decision for Christ. In Greek it is **. The Greek word brepha means “infants.” The Lord did not require these infants to make a personal decision for Christ.

Infant circumcision was the sign of Old Covenant.
Baptism is the sign of the New Covenant.lets not confuse the issue of what i first stated, babtising/naming a baby the baby has no concept and understanding that he/she of what God is, if they die God surley will forgive them since they do not have the capacity to know to lust, have bad thought yet… and go back to the forum topic of why baptists say the things they do (i just explained the reason so please do not think i am a baptist)
It makes sense that Baptism includes infants.

Under Jewish law, the 8 day old child didn’t have to make a profession of faith. He was part of a household of faith and was thus called by God, and therefore circumcised. Thank God for that! I shudder at the thought of being circumcised as an adult … OUCHHH!!!

The famous Evangelical theologian Frances A. Schaeffer also maintained that an infant should be baptised because of Baptism’s correspondence with circumcision.
Circumcision is done after birth and not at 8 yrs… i can see that you have taken bible verses and mistranslated them and also in a couple of instance have taken the verse out of context…

What i was referring to is this tradition that has been going on pre-christ times and is called pagan!

paganwiccan.about.com/od/paganbabies/ht/Baby_Naming.htm

Does it look familiar… today we call it a Christian tradition! One cannot adopt pagan traditions and call them Christian!

Jer 10:1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
 
Can i answer a question with a question?
As a catholic you are used to certain traditions, baptists believe that the bible has more authority than man. Catholics believe that man has more authority than the bible!
Here comes the disagreement!
Now the question… catholics and orthodox baptise babies …where does this practice come from?

Ok
Not the bible! it cannot be found anywhere…
Do you read history?
Then if you do you can search and find out that this practice was used by pagans ONLY… and was adopted by catholics & orthodox…

I hope i answered your question.
Regards
The Bible reader!
You should re-read your Bible.

First thing, you are flat wrong in your statement that Catholics believe man has more authority than the Bible. You are wildly ignorant of Catholic teaching, and should educate yourself. And I’d also like you to explain how you know the Bible is the Word of God? How was it compiled? Who compiled it? Who wrote the book of Mark? Who divided it into chapters and verses?

There are several examples in the Bible of whole families being baptized. Families consisted of babies and toddlers. There is no example of babies being denied baptism, nor anyone forbidding it. Jesus said to bring the children to Him.
You should read up on the early church fathers and the first Christians. They give explicit instructions on how to baptize, and who to baptize, and they encouraged and taught infant baptism. Several mention their baptisms when they were infants.

One final thing, do you understand what a covenant is? It is more than a contract, more than an adoption, more than a joining, it is the giving and receiving and joining of someone into a family and the acceptance of the rights and responsibilites of being a member of the family. Now, can you tell me what was the initiation process of an Israelite male into the Old Covenant? I’ll give you a hint, it involves 8 day old infants. The idea of adult-only baptisms would have been absolutely ridiculous to the Apostles and first century Christians. Only in the lat century with the dramatic falling of the infant mortality rate would it have even been dreamed of. Infants were always part of the family and heirs and part of the covenant. (P.s. you do know that the word testament means covenant right? The whole Bible is centered around the Old and New Covenants.)
 
You should re-read your Bible.

First thing, you are flat wrong in your statement that Catholics believe man has more authority than the Bible. You are wildly ignorant of Catholic teaching, and should educate yourself. And I’d also like you to explain how you know the Bible is the Word of God? How was it compiled? Who compiled it? Who wrote the book of Mark? Who divided it into chapters and verses?

There are several examples in the Bible of whole families being baptized. Families consisted of babies and toddlers. There is no example of babies being denied baptism, nor anyone forbidding it. Jesus said to bring the children to Him.
You should read up on the early church fathers and the first Christians. They give explicit instructions on how to baptize, and who to baptize, and they encouraged and taught infant baptism. Several mention their baptisms when they were infants.

One final thing, do you understand what a covenant is? It is more than a contract, more than an adoption, more than a joining, it is the giving and receiving and joining of someone into a family and the acceptance of the rights and responsibilites of being a member of the family. Now, can you tell me what was the initiation process of an Israelite male into the Old Covenant? I’ll give you a hint, it involves 8 day old infants. The idea of adult-only baptisms would have been absolutely ridiculous to the Apostles and first century Christians. Only in the lat century with the dramatic falling of the infant mortality rate would it have even been dreamed of. Infants were always part of the family and heirs and part of the covenant. (P.s. you do know that the word testament means covenant right? The whole Bible is centered around the Old and New Covenants.)
i am beginning to think that our friend is an adventist though. so he may still be stuck in the new covenant. ill let him clarify this for us. Peace 🙂
 
You should re-read your Bible.

First thing, you are flat wrong in your statement that Catholics believe man has more authority than the Bible. You are wildly ignorant of Catholic teaching, and should educate yourself. And I’d also like you to explain how you know the Bible is the Word of God? How was it compiled? Who compiled it? Who wrote the book of Mark? Who divided it into chapters and verses?

There are several examples in the Bible of whole families being baptized. Families consisted of babies and toddlers. There is no example of babies being denied baptism, nor anyone forbidding it. Jesus said to bring the children to Him.
You should read up on the early church fathers and the first Christians. They give explicit instructions on how to baptize, and who to baptize, and they encouraged and taught infant baptism. Several mention their baptisms when they were infants.

One final thing, do you understand what a covenant is? It is more than a contract, more than an adoption, more than a joining, it is the giving and receiving and joining of someone into a family and the acceptance of the rights and responsibilites of being a member of the family. Now, can you tell me what was the initiation process of an Israelite male into the Old Covenant? I’ll give you a hint, it involves 8 day old infants. The idea of adult-only baptisms would have been absolutely ridiculous to the Apostles and first century Christians. Only in the lat century with the dramatic falling of the infant mortality rate would it have even been dreamed of. Infants were always part of the family and heirs and part of the covenant. (P.s. you do know that the word testament means covenant right? The whole Bible is centered around the Old and New Covenants.)
This is why I love converts so much. Great post and welcome to the family. 👍
 
What i was referring to is this tradition that has been going on pre-christ times and is called pagan!

Does it look familiar… today we call it a Christian tradition! One cannot adopt pagan traditions and call them Christian!
You need to back up this statement. I’ve never seen anything to back up the idea that baptism was copied from pagans. They copied it from Catholics. Catholics got it from the Jews.
 
Another note of caution: if you’re planning to invite non-Pagans to the ceremony – which you certainly should, if they’re part of your network of family and friends – you may want to brief them ahead of time to let them know this is not exactly the same as a Christian baptism. The last thing you want is dear old Aunt Martha fainting because you‘ve invoked spirits of the elements or some god she‘s unfamiliar with.

from the pagan link provided
from what I read, this is a naming ceremony, not a baptism. I also dont see any evidence this is an ancient or even a 2,000 yr practice.
 
This is why I love converts so much. Great post and welcome to the family.
me too!👍
 
i go on Baptist web sites & i see that they Say “Catholics are not christians” i have nothing against Baptists it just makes me mad that they judge us … We dont judge them why judge us? they say we Worship Mary & saints & that were going to hell because i confess to a priest to be honest, the priest doesn’t forgive us he Absolves us in the Name of father, Son and Holy Spirit but really, is the Baptist church manmade ? i really have no interest in going to be honest … my mom has already told me what its like because she used to be baptist but not anymore but, really is it manmade ? why dont you guys do infant baptism ? why dont you guys believe in purgatory? & again we dont worship Mary or saints

read this landoverbaptist.org/sermons/dangcatholics.html
I was a Baptist preacher. Nobody can ignore the Catholic Church. You can’t just pretend that the Catholic Church isn’t there…isn’t present…for the last 2,000 years. There is a dogmatic demand to have a position and if you claim to be Christian and aren’t Catholic you need a reason. I have more respect for anti-Catholic Baptists than I do for the children of the Reformation who no longer offer a reason to not be Catholic.
 
i go on Baptist web sites & i see that they Say “Catholics are not christians” i have nothing against Baptists it just makes me mad that they judge us … We dont judge them why judge us? they say we Worship Mary & saints & that were going to hell because i confess to a priest to be honest, the priest doesn’t forgive us he Absolves us in the Name of father, Son and Holy Spirit but really, is the Baptist church manmade ? i really have no interest in going to be honest … my mom has already told me what its like because she used to be baptist but not anymore but, really is it manmade ?
I used to moderate for a website whose admin was Baptist. He was very condescending to Catholics, and he resented the fact there were Catholics on the website. This particular admin only saw the website as a way to convert Catholics to becoming Baptists. He especially disliked the fact that we knew our scripture and could refute his arguments in friendly debate.

Unfortunately, the only way he could deal with it was by childishly trying to find ways for him and his fellow protestant admins to get the Cathlolic moderators kicked off. The first chance he got, he took over the site and began running it like it was his personal ministry.

I got fed up with it and left. Now the website is totally Baptist run (despite any Catholics that were members). Instead of being mad, I feel sorry that Baptists should have to deal with a person like this. All he is doing is driving Christians apart from each other, and making it hard for Catholics to trust Baptists.
 
nowhere in the bible? really? and no, im not going to use the argument of circumcision. when the israelite were to appear before their God, at mt. sanai, what was moses ordered by God to do? he was to sprinkle the entire congregation in blood! the ENTIRE congregation. not just the men, not just the women. but the children and babies to. the whole lot of them. i know, i know. your going to take all this and try to side track it by saying baptize means to immerse.first, i must really point out to you that if you take out of context bible verse you lose the meaning, here the sprinkling of blood was a covenant between them and God NOT A BAPTISM, when you mixed half truth in your statement it becomes nothing more than a lie (i am sure that is not your intention but here are the facts! but already in the o.t. we see a baptism that encompassed everyone in the community. as far as the bible… the Catholic Church is before the new testament. if you have a new testament. thank a Catholic. by the way. was Moses a pagan?***I must say that i am now shocked at your statement…but when people make statements like these you get your answer to the topic… Again i make my point as i did earlier. Today there are people that study the Bible where the HOLY Roman Church guided by Gods spirit “so they say” banned people from having the bible and it was punishable by death to own a bible! This is history, so i find it very hard to believe that GOD can exist in a place like that for most of its life? I also say to you do you know the pagan right and traditions pre-Christ? If you dont then you should! ***
 
Dear Angllican-Catholic,

I don’t see Catholics in general bashing Baptists or other faith communities. They are usually defending their faith against all these attacks which are made.

In all charity you might want to go on some of the Anglican websites who are bashing Anglicans who are joining the Ordinariate offered by Pope Benedict. They are pretty nasty and angry posts. Is is really sad to see, as a former Episcopalian, my brothers and sisters make such horrible accusations against their own.

I was never aware while I was in that denomination how mean and uncharitable so many appear to be.

The Catholics I know really don’t seem to have negative opinions about other faiths, most don’t even think about them. They practice their faith and are not concerned about someone who disagrees with them. If a Catholic is knowledgeable about their faith, they of course will defend it when they must against the lies that are told.

Since I have converted I see must more uncharitable attitudes within protestant churches. I have never heard a priest say anything about other churches, they preach the Gospel.

Of course it is difficult sometimes for Catholics who are bashed from the media, other faiths and just about everyone today not to get angry.

As I told a TEC priest today I have more respect for TEC than the Continuing Anglicans who bash other Anglicans because at least they are upfront about what they believe and I don’t think they care what former members of TEC believe or do.

I suppose reading your post brought back my feelings of sadness knowing how these groups feel about any TEC member or Anglican who goes to Rome. There are exceptions I am sure, but I am going by the websites and what they say. Hopefully it is a small percentage of them.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
Today there are people that study the Bible where the HOLY Roman Church guided by Gods spirit “so they say” banned people from having the bible and it was punishable by death to own a bible! This is history, so i find it very hard to believe that GOD can exist in a place like that for most of its life?

You do realize how unbelievably wrong this assertion is right? If this is history, prove it. Where can I read about the Church “banning people from having the Bible & it was punishable by death to own a bible”?

If you find it hard to believe that God can exist in a place like that for most of its life, then tell me, where did he exist prior to the 1500’s? I simply find it hard to believe that My Lord & Savior, Jesus Christ is a liar. When he said that the gates of hell would not prevail against his church, I believe Him. Since there was but one visible church for 1054 yrs after he said that, and that church is still here, I have to believe Jesus.
 
I guess I am kind of like the Pope on this one. He said that we know we will be the Faith that will be persecuted the most, but look on the right side, it just confirms Gods word. If they persecute me they will persecute you.

The Pope said the RCC is the most persecuted Church still in the world, which just confirms that we are indeed the True Church:D
 
Why do Baptists Bash Catholics?
Criticism of Catholic precepts is common in Baptist congregations, but in itself, it is not “bashing.” I feel that Catholics too often abuse this to stifle criticism of Catholicism, causing cases of actual bashing to get taken less seriously.

Actual bashing of Catholics is a bit less common in Baptist circles, but still too common. It becomes “bashing” when it is intended to vent and/or vent+promote bad feelings against Catholics as people.

In my experience, genuine bashing of Catholics is done for one or both of two main reasons.
a) It feels good to them. These people hate Catholics for keeping Catholicism extant.
b) It allows them to pretend that they are doing something to spread the Gospel. They do not really care if they are not actually saying a whole lot about the Gospel – they want the pretension.

A lot of well-meaning Baptists genuinely think Catholics cannot be saved, but because they do not know much about practicing Catholics and their beliefs. They do not hope for bad eternities for Catholics, but they say things they should not due to ignorance.

A lot of perverse people who call themselves “Baptist” say that Catholics will not be saved because they wish so, either because they hate Catholics, or because they care nothing for Catholics but hope they are `evangelizing the lost’ by bashing Catholics.

You might also want to remember that Baptist congregations differ. I was led to Christ primarily via a Baptist congregation’s ministry, and I joined that congregation. The pastor did not believe Catholics could be saved, and reported congregations that had way too much to say about Catholics. Still, in this congregation, anyone who had too much to say against Catholics was not welcome to say a lot. However, in another town, a large Baptist congregation participated in a community VBS with several congregations including a Catholic one.
 
I’ve been Catholic and I’ve been Baptist. Sadly, there is much ignorance and bashing on both sides. I’ve experienced it in both camps.
 
Let me ask you all a different question: “Why do some Catholics and some Baptists ‘bash’ each other?” “Bashing” is certainly not limited to any one Christian denomination, and I have not found any denomination that is completely untainted by it. But why do any of you do it? If I were an atheist in here, I would go away saying, “I don’t think any of them are true followers of Jesus because there is no unity among them.”
I truly believe that 90% of the people who come here never in their heart ever want to bash another. And I agree we can all stand up and be counted as not always being the best example for God as we could or should.

But alot of times when you write on here things get misread. Alot of times it is not what you say but the voice that was used to say it. And that puts us all at a disadvantage here.

But when there is different views it can get heated. But as a rule I believe once we get to know one another we can learn to overcome the differences, and learn to love one another as Gods Children, in spite of the differences.😃
 
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