Why do catholics leave the Catholic Church

[october_baby]

I would say poor catholic education, some of the ex-catholic posters on the Blaze.com
web site. They are very poorly educated in the catholic faith. It is very hard to be charitable
with then because in addition to being very arrogant in what they think the church teaches
they are very hostile toward catholism.

 

[PJM]

=october baby;10770424]I would say poor catholic education, some of the ex-catholic posters on the Blaze.com
web site. They are very poorly educated in the catholic faith. It is very hard to be charitable
with then because in addition to being very arrogant in what they think the church teaches
they are very hostile toward catholism.

May I suggest dear friend that you re-read Matthew 5: 10-15.

I THINK it was Bishop Sheen who said:

cf. There is not one person in the world that"hates the CC, …

There are very many who “hate” what they think the CC is; or their understanding of what we bleive.

We ARE to be “the light of truth on the hill” for ALL to see. BUT always with LOVE!

 

[PRmerger]

I would say poor catholic education, some of the ex-catholic posters on the Blaze.com
web site. They are very poorly educated in the catholic faith. It is very hard to be charitable
with then because in addition to being very arrogant in what they think the church teaches
they are very hostile toward catholism.

OhmyGOSH, yes! That’s one of my absolute worst pet peeves here on the CAFs: ex-Catholics who proclaim some ga-ga la-la nonsense about what they believe Catholicism teaches, and the fact that they were an altar boy for 5 years, or know the Mass in Latin means that they just can’t be wrong.

 

[Mike30]

Why do and are catholics leaving the Church and possibily their salvation. Heb. 6:4-8

Continued Blessings,

Pat

For the same reason people leave other belief systems. They cease to believe for whatever reason, find something that they believe in more, stop believing altogether, any or all of the above.

It’s really very simple. Not complicated at all.

 

[PJM]

=PRmerger;10770556]OhmyGOSH, yes! That’s one of my absolute worst pet peeves here on the CAFs: ex-Catholics who proclaim some ga-ga la-la nonsense about what they believe Catholicism teaches, and the fact that they were an altar boy for 5 years, or know the Mass in Latin means that they just can’t be wrong.

AGREED

But I don’t recall Jesus telling not to be chaititable IF its hard

“Turn the other cheek”

IF there is anyting we can do??? Kindness and facts will do it.

 

[october_baby]

AGREED

But I don’t recall Jesus telling not to be chaititable IF its hard

“Turn the other cheek”

IF there is anyting we can do??? Kindness and facts will do it.

I do try to be charitable,sometimes I fail, isn’t that part of being human?

 

[guanophore]

“While a lot of people leave the Church, they tend not to be good Catholics,” says Curtis Martin, president of Catholics United for the Faith, who himself returned to the Church after spending five years as an evangelical Protestant. “The Protestants [now] coming into the Church are the most devoted Protestants, people deeply committed to Scripture and prayer. We’re losing the numbers game but we are winning the quality game in spades.

I wonder if Jesus would agree with this kind of thinking. Sick and disgusting way of looking at it. Moreso, the last sentence. I say this as an active Catholic.

I am mystified why you would find this “sick and disgusting”. Jesus was pretty clear that the road was narrow and steep and few would find it. Jesus would rather have one committed Catholic than a whole line of pews filled with lukewarm ones!

 

[ejp123]

I am mystified why you would find this “sick and disgusting”. Jesus was pretty clear that the road was narrow and steep and few would find it. Jesus would rather have one committed Catholic than a whole line of pews filled with lukewarm ones!

He also said “Depart from me, I never knew you” to those bragging about how faithful they are. and “you shall not judge”. It is not our job or place to decide on what is quality or not. Christ reserves that right alone. He determines who is lukewarm and who he will spit out. Not us!!! Your perspective reminds me of the pharisee sitting in the front row who is glad he is not like that poor sinner sitting in the back row. So, i find the original quote, especially about talking about quality, as sick and disgusting.

 

[clem456]

“While a lot of people leave the Church, they tend not to be good Catholics,” says Curtis Martin, president of Catholics United for the Faith, who himself returned to the Church after spending five years as an evangelical Protestant. “The Protestants [now] coming into the Church are the most devoted Protestants, people deeply committed to Scripture and prayer. We’re losing the numbers game but we are winning the quality game in spades.

I wonder if Jesus would agree with this kind of thinking. Sick and disgusting way of looking at it. Moreso, the last sentence. I say this as an active Catholic.

I also find this attitude simplistic and offensive.
The world is loaded with people who have left the Church for reasons that have nothing to do with their “quality”. While it is true that some are simply lukewarm or uncommitted, many have legitimate grievances against the Church and it’s people and pastors, or have simply found a place that makes sense to them in other communities. Catholicism’s worst enemy is it’s own weak and sinful people, myself included. We really don’t need to be worrying about how wrong everyone else it.

 

[Oneofthewomen]

and :tiphat: to you both!!

He also said “Depart from me, I never knew you” to those bragging about how faithful they are. and “you shall not judge”. It is not our job or place to decide on what is quality or not. Christ reserves that right alone. He determines who is lukewarm and who he will spit out. Not us!!! Your perspective reminds me of the pharisee sitting in the front row who is glad he is not like that poor sinner sitting in the back row. So, i find the original quote, especially about talking about quality, as sick and disgusting.

I also find this attitude simplistic and offensive.
The world is loaded with people who have left the Church for reasons that have nothing to do with their “quality”. While it is true that some are simply lukewarm or uncommitted, many have legitimate grievances against the Church and it’s people and pastors, or have simply found a place that makes sense to them in other communities. Catholicism’s worst enemy is it’s own weak and sinful people, myself included. We really don’t need to be worrying about how wrong everyone else it.

 

[Love4All]

Orthodox . . . don’t believe the priest acts in persona Christi

This is news to me. Perhaps one of our Orthodox brothers can confirm? Is this true?

If it is true, then how does the Sacrament of the Eucharist become confected? By human power?

 

[ConstantineTG]

This is news to me. Perhaps one of our Orthodox brothers can confirm? Is this true?

If it is true, then how does the Sacrament of the Eucharist become confected? By human power?

By the power of the Holy Spirit.

It is true in the sense that we do not believe that the priest acts alone in the person of Christ. The Eucharistic prayer is a dialogue between the priest and the people present coming together and invoking God’s remembrance of the final covenant He made with us in Jesus Christ.

We believe there is one priesthood in the Church (as Scripture attests to) and that is the priesthood of Jesus Christ, which we all share (as St. Peter’s epistle teaches) and this coming together of the believers as the Church is what unites us to the Sacrifice of Christ and this remembrance of God of the covenant and the calling down of the Holy Spirit to sanctify the gifts of bread and wine is what makes the Eucharist the body and blood of Christ.

 

[Love4All]

One can hope that with continuing dialog and encouragement coming from Constantinople (They might be Giants not withstanding) things might start changing.

ISTANBUL! You’re gonna keep that pretty girl waiting??

 

[Love4All]

By the power of the Holy Spirit.

It is true in the sense that we do not believe that the priest acts alone in the person of Christ. The Eucharistic prayer is a dialogue between the priest and the people present coming together and invoking God’s remembrance of the final covenant He made with us in Jesus Christ.

We believe there is one priesthood in the Church (as Scripture attests to) and that is the priesthood of Jesus Christ, which we all share (as St. Peter’s epistle teaches) and this coming together of the believers as the Church is what unites us to the Sacrifice of Christ and this remembrance of God of the covenant and the calling down of the Holy Spirit to sanctify the gifts of bread and wine is what makes the Eucharist the body and blood of Christ.

Does the priest speak the words, “This is My Body?”

 

[Love4All]

You could say exactly the same thing about the Protestant Churches, except that their schism from the Catholic Church happened a lot later than that of the Orthodox Church.

One may have been able to say that originally of Anglicanism especially, and in the early days of Luther’s rebellion, but not today. Schism does not include creation of new doctrines. That is why the Orthodox consider us in heresy. They see all ex cathedrad proclamations as the creation of new doctrines, just as we see the doctrines created by Protestants during the Reformation as heresies. Further, each generation of Protesatism drifts further and further from the once for all divine deposit of faith.

Lutheranism and Protestantism in general was never a schism, always a heresy. Schism requires the defection of a Bishop.

For a Catholic, the guarantee of the Holy Spirit never allowing His Church to teach heresy resides in His Gift of Infallibility in His Popes. Thus it is possible for a dissident Orthodox bishop to drift into heresy and teach it to his flock, even though he is a Bishop. The same is NOT possible for a Catholic bishop in communion with the Pope. It would be possible for a Catholic bishop to teach heresy, but in the act of so doing he would fall out of communion with the Church. Arius was a Bishop.

 

[Love4All]

I wouldn’t say my experiences were bad. I was active in the last two parishes I was a part of (one RC, one UGCC). I had good contact and relations with the priests. There was simply something missing for me.

I was a catechist for the RC Archdiocese and the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy

Still married to the same woman whom I married in the Roman Catholic Church. Never been divorced, never been annulled, we have a wonderful marriage and 2 wonderful children.

I’ve had great relations with my bishops and priests and I still adore all of them.

One of the draws of my current Orthodox parish is that it is multi-ethnic.

Haven’t we all lived a life of sin? I became Orthodox because this is where I saw me having the greatest spiritual growth.

What do you see as missing from Catholicism?

 

[ConstantineTG]

Does the priest speak the words, “This is My Body?”

Yes, and the people replay with an “Amen”. The “Amen” is very, very, very important.

 

[Love4All]

Why do and are catholics leaving the Church and possibily their salvation. Heb. 6:4-8

Continued Blessings,

Pat

I would say the number one reason is the heresy of Indifferentism. Different religions, different styles of understanding the role of the Church and of Christ and the duty of the individual human being towards God, are often seen today as equally leading to salvation. One would convert to Catholicism who saw the Church as Necessary to salvation. One who, on the other hand, came to begin thinking that the Church is not absolutely necessary for salvation, might fall away, especially if there are other factors involved.

Assuming good faith at least in the sense that individuals are following their own conscience, a conscience formed by the doctrine of Indifferentism would not be bothered by leaving the Catholic Church, would not think they are thereby endangering their salvation.

 

[ConstantineTG]

What do you see as missing from Catholicism?

Personally, I just feel it was a spiritual dead end. I can learn more, but I don’t see how that was increasing my spirituality. And I think spiritually I’m still on the lowest of levels. I know more but I’m not a better person, I’m not a better Christian. I can argue for hours here (just look at my post count, I’ve did that too) about what makes a valid Sacrament or what people can or cannot do during Mass, or what language we should use, etc. People are caught up with these issues but what does it really have to do with salvation? I know when I sin and that I have to go to confession for it. But I don’t know how to stop sinning.

In Orthodoxy, I have found that path. I have discovered the purpose of prayer and fasting and everything else I do all the time or at least try to do when I was Catholic.

 

[ConstantineTG]

I would say the number one reason is the heresy of Indifferentism. Different religions, different styles of understanding the role of the Church and of Christ and the duty of the individual human being towards God, are often seen today as equally leading to salvation. One would convert to Catholicism who saw the Church as Necessary to salvation. One who, on the other hand, came to begin thinking that the Church is not absolutely necessary for salvation, might fall away, especially if there are other factors involved.

Assuming good faith at least in the sense that individuals are following their own conscience, a conscience formed by the doctrine of Indifferentism would not be bothered by leaving the Catholic Church, would not think they are thereby endangering their salvation.

From my experience, most of those who leave aren’t about indifferentism. They do not believe that the other church is the same as the Roman Catholic Church. They always believe that they are moving to somewhere better, somewhere more true. I know you guys here do not agree with that, but that is how a lot of people see their choice.