Why do Christians reject the testimony of Alien Abduction victims?

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IWantGod said:
Multiple eye witnesses mistakenly identifying a person as a rapist is not the same thing as multiple eye witnesses seeing the same object and having the same experiences of abduction involving the same beings. You were doing better when you suggested that they were having a shared hallucination.

Perhaps that’s why the poster didn’t want to quote anything from the link since it could be “taken out of context”.
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Whatever.

It’s clear you have unwavering faith in these stories. There’s no contradiction to the Catholic faith in believing such things.

It’s not for me – just way too skeptical, and way too demanding of evidence beyond a handful of eyewitnesses.

My faith in God and in the teachings of the Church came through reason. And to believe in alien abductions just operates outside my reason. :dts: Blame it on doctoral research I guess. 🤷

And no, the collective testimony of the UFO and abduction witnesses is not the same as the testimony of the apostles, so don’t even go there.

G’night. Sleep tight. Don’t let the aliens bite. 😉

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IWantGod said:
Thanks for not taking me for idiot.

I am not against the possibility that Aliens are really demons, or that demons are making them see things they are not really there. But why is this explanation the best explanation?

Yes i have heard this before. I guess this lends support to the idea that they are in fact fallen angels.
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Many very well-respected UFO researchers are now coming to the conclusion that the UFO phenomenon does not have an extra-terrestrial origin. They now say that the UFO’s are actually extra-dimensional. They inhabit a dimension along side our own, and can flit back and forth from their dimension into ours at will, in an instant.

Do you know who Jacques Vallee is? He is one of the original UFO researchers. Long ago he came to the conclusion that UFOs are:
  1. from another dimension,
  2. are real, but not physically real like you and I,
  3. the “aliens” are very deceptive and malicious.
You gotta admit, that sounds a lot like the demonic, doesn’t it? Take a look at this short Wiki article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdimensional_hypothesis. Let me know what you think.
 
Gertabelle said:
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Whatever.

It’s clear you have unwavering faith in these stories.
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And i can say that you are so unwavering in your skepticism that a shared hallucination really is your best explanation when witnessing any unusual phenomenon.

If you can think like that, i see no reason why you wouldn’t reject the testimony of a group of people who claim they experienced the risen Jesus. Surely, according to your scepticism, the risen Jesus was just a shared hallucination brought on by grief!!!
Yes i went there, but i’m not the one with the double standards; it seems as if (at least in regards to the topic of aliens) some of the posters on this thread share a lot in common with skeptical atheists and yet i’m the one whose being asked if i’m a catholic lol…

Its not simply a matter of faith in their testimony, its a matter of reason. And the counter claims that have been produced thus far are unreasonable in regards to the cases that i have presented.

So lets just agree to disagree:thumbsup:
 
IWantGod said:
So lets just agree to disagree:thumbsup:
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Indeed. This really should not be a matter of drawing a line in the sand and separating people into camps. 😃

G’night. (I am really going to bed this time, honest)
 
boomerang said:
Many very well-respected UFO researchers are now coming to the conclusion that the UFO phenomenon does not have an extra-terrestrial origin. They now say that the UFO’s are actually extra-dimensional. They inhabit a dimension along side our own, and can flit back and forth from their dimension into ours at will, in an instant.

Do you know who Jacques Vallee is? He is one of the original UFO researchers. Long ago he came to the conclusion that UFOs are:
  1. from another dimension,
  2. are real, but not physically real like you and I,
  3. the “aliens” are very deceptive and malicious.
You gotta admit, that sounds a lot like the demonic, doesn’t it? Take a look at this short Wiki article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdimensional_hypothesis. Let me know what you think.
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The hypothesis does make sense of what abductees and witnesses claim to have experienced. Actually it would not surprise me if they were inter-dimensional beings. They do seem to be malicious and they do induce fear in their victims often paralyzing them. Sometimes they come as benevolent beings and tell stories that are contrary to christian teaching. And again the fact that they are scared of Jesus is very interesting.

This all supports the theory that they are demonic in nature and possibly are the fallen angels that fell with Satan.

I going to read up some more and get back to you.
 
IWantGod said:
The hypothesis does make sense of what abductees and witnesses claim to have experienced. Actually it would not surprise me if they were inter-dimensional beings. They do seem to be malicious and they do induce fear in their victims often paralyzing them. Sometimes they come as benevolent beings and tell stories that are contrary to christian teaching. And again the fact that they are scared of Jesus is very interesting.

This all supports the theory that they are demonic in nature and possibly are the fallen angels that fell with Satan.

I going to read up some more and get back to you.
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Yes, exactly. The night visits, the paralysis, the fear, the rapes, it’s just like the old incubus-succubus demonic shenanigans repackaged into something more believable to modern sensibilities.

You know who Whitley Strieber is, right? The author of “Communion,” the true story of his alien visitations that have been tormenting him in the night for many years? And have you heard that old expression, “your first impression is usually correct”? Well, Whitley’s very first thought that came into his mind when he was attacked for the first time was that these visitors were demons. Later, after repeated encounters, he slowly changed his mind and now says they are from outer space. You know why he changed his mind? The “aliens”* told him* they were from outer space. If they hadn’t told him that, he would have continued to think they were demons. Mr. Strieber should have gone with his first impression! You can’t trust anything those creatures say to you. Begone Satan!
 
Here is a well reasoned documentary that takes a balanced look at the alien abduction phenomenon. Explanations like sleep paralysis are given and compared to other views.

The 4400 Alien Abductions UFO Documentary 2015 2017 HD

youtube.com/watch?v=0xzhSq3smDY
 
IWantGod said:
Here is a well reasoned documentary that takes a balanced look at the alien abduction phenomenon. Explanations like sleep paralysis are given and compared to other views.

The 4400 Alien Abductions UFO Documentary 2015 2017 HD

youtube.com/watch?v=0xzhSq3smDY
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I’ll take a look at that video tomorrow, or shall I say today? It’s late! I did skim through it and got to the part where Budd Hopkins noted that the aliens communicate with us through telepathy. Another giveaway that this is a spiritual phenomenon rather than extraterrestrial.
 
DaddyGirl said:
Christians don’t “accept” these claims?
ALL Christians?

Actually, that’s not true. I know a Christian who accepts them.

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So do I. I think acceptance or rejection of these claims relies more on things like whether the person is truly interested in the subject at all and whether they are very insistent on peer review for establishing credibility, etc. than on whether they are Christian or not. Same for any other unusual phenomenon like the Yeti, etc.
 
truetofaith said:
I’ve been watching the Ancient Alien programs on Fri. on the History channel. They are now saying Jesus may have been taken up in a space craft at the Ascension. It’s getting out of hand. Our faith is being replaced with Alien theories.
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Eeek! Yes, that would be getting out of hand.

It is frustrating to see people so gullible they hop on the current bandwagon. When we daily focus on prayer and the truths taught us we can be safe.

Let us pray for those caught up in lies.
 
Why would a rational Creature travel infinitely great distances just to hide in trailer parks?

The waters have been so muddied by the conspiracy crowd the aliens will need to get picked up by homeworld security for airspace violations before I’ll believe! Right now them, and most stuff on the history channel, are just cheap entertainment, especially that dudexwith the wacked hair!
 
We lack independent third person witnesses.

There was a video of a sheriff or police officer showing the material he collected at Roswell, as a result of an alien vessel or ship being sighted.

Clearly, now, to us, it was Mylar.

Back then, nobody had a clue.
 
There are fewer sightings nowadays, since “everybody” has a camera.
 
Seriously OP, it’s because it doesn’t matter.

If there WERE being on other planets, why do people go immediately to the belief that they are of superior intelligence??
If they’re so smart, why don’t they cure cancer for us? Why don’t they cure AIDS or show us anything that might be beneficial to our planet? Seriously? If they are so smart, we are sooooo clueless, why do they even want to stop here for gas?

I’m kidding of course. They couldn’t afford the gas after the hurricane…:rolleyes:

But seriously,
We’re made in the image and likeness of God.
I have no NEED to “believe” in extraterrestrials or any UFO sightings.

I just don’t.
No Christian does. That’s why we don’t give it any face time.
** It’s just irrelevant to our salvation. **
 
IWantGod said:
Thanks for not taking me for idiot.

I am not against the possibility that Aliens are really demons, or that demons are making them see things they are not really there. But why is this explanation the best explanation?

Yes i have heard this before. I guess this lends support to the idea that they are in fact fallen angels.
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Are you surprised that various methods have been applied to reduce the idea of God?

Science
ETs
Devil does not exist hence no God.
Religion is a mental disorder
Freedom to do whatever you feel you have a “right” to
etc

They are all designed to make you look uneducated, unsophisticated, uncool. In fact they are all designed to attack your ego/pride weakness.

The underlying theme is to get people to disregard God as a possibility. They have won the battle in the education system. They will try that in politics and social economics. When the judiciary gets won over, it will be a sad day. When the memory of God is a distant memory, Satan has won. If you don’t know God, Satan has great freedom to tempt you with all his arsenal of earthly goodies. If he can win the educated/modernized democratic West, the rest of the world may be easier to deal with by using economic leverage. Christianity is seriously in decline in North America and Europe. In terms of numbers, the new battleground will be in Africa, South America, China, India and the Muslim world. May be India is a lost cause. A billion headcount.

Just do not underestimate the ingenuity of the Devil.
 
boomerang said:
Yes, exactly. The night visits, the paralysis, the fear, the rapes, it’s just like the old incubus-succubus demonic shenanigans repackaged into something more believable to modern sensibilities.
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You know who Whitley Strieber is, right? The author of “Communion,” the true story of his alien visitations that have been tormenting him in the night for many years? And have you heard that old expression, “your first impression is usually correct”? Well, Whitley’s very first thought that came into his mind when he was attacked for the first time was that these visitors were demons. Later, after repeated encounters, he slowly changed his mind and now says they are from outer space. You know why he changed his mind? The “aliens” told him they were from outer space. If they hadn’t told him that, he would have continued to think they were demons. Mr. Strieber should have gone with his first impression! You can’t trust anything those creatures say to you. Begone Satan!
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I have read Mr. Strieber’s books Communion, Transformation, Breakthrough, and The Secret School out of curiosity and as part of my general background for science fiction writing (aka what cliches to avoid in fictional alien stories). Strieber had already been a science fiction and horror novelist at the time of his first “close encounter,” so had plenty of imaginative tropes for his mind to draw from.

The “Communion” and sequel books go from his initial assessment of demonic activity, as you say, to aliens, and eventually wind their way around to the standard New Age drivel about enlightened beings from another realm who could lead humanity into something akin to the Age of Aquarius. There is conflicting information, depending on where you look, as to whether Strieber suffers from temporal lobe epilepsy or another mental illness. IMO, there are red flags that not all is right with him neurologically. He has admitted to being under the influence of alcohol during the time in the cabin where the “Communion” encounter took place.

Interestingly, Strieber is Catholic, though his beliefs are more New Age than anything.
 
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