Why do I sometimes get called a "fundamentalist" when I say that Jesus will return to judge the world?

[LongingSoul]

With all due respect, the phenomenon of so-called “abortion rights” and same-sex “marriage” going global is unprecedented, and I’m not able to bury my head in the sand and not notice these things.

Anything ‘going global’ is a phenomenon of our technological progress which allows attitudes to be transmitted through the international community. But the flip side of that is that there are many good things ‘going global’ too now like international financial and military aid. On a global scale we are prevented from dehumanising the black races which was tolerated for a long time. Child exploitation is internationally condemned. A lot of good is also happening on a global scale that was not possible or cared about in the past. The fact of the dignity and equality of all people is more prominent in the global sensibilities than it ever was in the past. We have to acknowledge the good of our age for what it really is rather than adopting the doomsay approach of only seeing the negative.

 

[livingwordunity]

Anything ‘going global’ is a phenomenon of our technological progress which allows attitudes to be transmitted through the international community.

In other words, technology has enabled for propaganda to be spread globally. And technological “progress” gave us the nuclear bomb.

But the flip side of that is that there are many good things ‘going global’ too now like international financial and military aid.

Big, powerful countries using military power and withdrawal of financial aid to strong-arm little countries into accepting so-called same-sex “marriage” and abortion. And these countries are so obsessed with spreading this evil that they even want to make war with a big country like Russia without a care that this would likely lead to WWIII and the destruction of much of the world by fire.

On a global scale we are prevented from dehumanising the black races which was tolerated for a long time.

The economic and educational gap between blacks and whites has increased in the US since 2008. And in spending so much time being focused on race a more liberal society has made people more obsessed with it. By contrast, the color of one’s skin is almost never mentioned in any of the ancient writings.

Child exploitation is internationally condemned.

Child labor got replaced with global epidemic rates of child sex-trafficking, child porn, and child molestation. It got worse, not better.

 

[PeaceInChrist]

With all due respect, the phenomenon of so-called “abortion rights” and same-sex “marriage” going global is unprecedented, and I’m not able to bury my head in the sand and not notice these things.

I agree that these things are evil and must be opposed. And it took no apocalyptic conjecture on my part to figure that out. See? It can be done.

Why do you insult me by implying I ‘bury my head in the sand’?

 

[livingwordunity]

I agree that these things are evil and must be opposed. And it took no apocalyptic conjecture on my part to figure that out. See? It can be done.

Why do you insult me by implying I ‘bury my head in the sand’?

I meant that the signs seem so clear to me that, for me, it would be like burying my head in the sand to not see them as signs of the End Times. I didn’t mean it as not recognizing sin in a general sense. So it wasn’t meant to be about you.

 

[LongingSoul]

Pope Francis cannot promote civil unions in the interests of temporal needs such as healthcare or finances. To do so would be to adjust the gravity of sin based on the needs of the flesh… Something St. Augustine spoke elegantly about was the seperation of the soul and the body -in that the body argues with the Soul…

I also understand the view that some have in aligning themselves with Unity as an ideology we must follow. I’m here to tell you that those days may be reaching an end. I call myself a post modern tribal Catholic for a reason, and that reason is because to love my neighbor, what I need to do is tell him the truth. Not work with him on meeting somewhere in the middle, where we both give a little to get a little (peace/unity). When we tell homosexuals it is acceptable and right for them to have a civil marriage, we have made a trade off. IMHO, that is apostacy. Do you agree?

It’s clear that the Church will never accept gay marriage even at the civic level but the challenge is for the State to address practical concerns of its citizens within its legal and moral capacity without undermining the traditional meaning of marriage. I suspect Pope Francis struggles to articulate his worldview clearly at times but he seems to have a clear mission to redress some of the damage done by ‘ideological Christians’ who’ve contributed to a combative division that isn’t conducive to Christian evangelisation.

 

[LongingSoul]

Also, the concept of unity seems like a precursor to the concept of separation that Christ will lay down when He comes to seperate those of His flock with the rest who will be eternally forgotten…

…these things are temporary -which is why the counsel was pastoral in nature -because it doesn’t last forever as eternal truth. And it can’t be eternal truth because there will exist eternal separation, which is sad. And I was told once by a priest that we will have no recollection of those eternally separated, but I’m not sure we can know that -because I don’t think God can forget.

As humans, there are some things which we just shouldn’t concern ourselves with because we are not God. Who will go to heaven and who will go to hell cannot factor into the operation of our evangelical endeavours. Christ came to dissolve division and to emphasise what links people together as humans. Through Him we experience comm-union, comm-unity, a common good. Think of how we are with someone we’ve had a falling out with. It becomes not just the raw issue that separates us… but we a driven to judge everything about them in the worst light. Perhaps even judge them as those God will condemn. Conversely, think about someone you are in love with. You are able to relate to their highest self and address the negative in compassionate and civil ways. Jesus was essentially ‘in love’ with everybody. We don’t have that sort of capacity by virtue of our sinful nature… but we can act as if we do anyway and experience some sense of communion with our fellow man. Communion is a grace filled place and should be our highest ideal.

 

[LongingSoul]

In other words, technology has enabled for propaganda to be spread globally. And technological “progress” gave us the nuclear bomb.

Big, powerful countries using military power and withdrawal of financial aid to strong-arm little countries into accepting so-called same-sex “marriage” and abortion. And these countries are so obsessed with spreading this evil that they even want to make war with a big country like Russia without a care that this would likely lead to WWIII and the destruction of much of the world by fire.

The economic and educational gap between blacks and whites has increased in the US since 2008. And in spending so much time being focused on race a more liberal society has made people more obsessed with it. By contrast, the color of one’s skin is almost never mentioned in any of the ancient writings.

Child labor got replaced with global epidemic rates of child sex-trafficking, child porn, and child molestation. It got worse, not better.

The point is that we are not meant to judge the world before Jesus comes to judge the world. We are meant to be trying to help each other make the cut. We can all see the widespread acceptance of abortion and same sex marriage and who knows, maybe those things* are *ringing in the last days but if the Church isn’t preaching its imminence… who are we to prophesy on it.

My spiritual director is a nun who is a palliative care sister and she’s told me about what people focus on when they sense the end is near… and it is never the sins of others. It is about self examination. This is something I think about a lot and I wonder when we begin to smell the death of the world, will we as a people and a Church be motivated more to self examine and recoil from a position of judging others. I guess the Church heirarchy are going through a process of self examination more and more since Vatican 2 and that seems to me where Pope Francis is trying to lead us all too.

 

[livingwordunity]

The point is that we are not meant to judge the world before Jesus comes to judge the world.

Do you mean “judge the world” as God does where He casts the wicked into Hell? If so, I never claimed to have the power to do that nor did I claim that any individual person is going to Hell. But, according to Scripture, “the beast” will be cast into Hell whomever that is or will be.

“And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, that is, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. And they marched up over the broad earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city; but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulphur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.” Revelation 20:7-10