Why do lutherans call themselves evangelical catholics?

[GKC]

I always understood there were 5.

There were 5 where?

GKC

 

[GKC]

motley

That might be the word I’m looking for.

GKC

 

[7_Sorrows]

There were 5 where?

GKC

In the episcopal church, but like you said it depends who you ask.

 

[GKC]

In the episcopal church, but like you said it depends who you ask.

Most Episcopalians would either say 2 or 7. But who knows.

GKC

 

[7_Sorrows]

Yes and so does the Catholic Church:

So if I ever get a chance to have lunch with Pope Francis and tell him there are those who call themselves evangelical catholics, but they
are really lutherans and their priests have valid holy orders he would say that is correct?

I have never attended a lutheran church. Do they all have priests?
Do some also have female priests and bishops?
I know there are different branches of lutheranism, but I am not familiar with what each one believes.

 

[KjetilK]

Why do you call yourself an evangelical catholic?

Because we are.

 

[Picky_Picky]

That might be the word I’m looking for.

GKC

Could we not call Anglicanism “dappled”? The poet says that’s a good thing.

 

[GKC]

Could we not call Anglicanism “dappled”? The poet says that’s a good thing.

Gerard!. There’s my man(ley), for motley.

Pied, indeed.There is a spaciousness in terminology and attribution yet to be explored.

GKC

 

[spina1953]

Maybe we should answer Catholic Christian, but I think Catholic should be sufficient.

After I converted I realized how Catholicism and being a protestant are
reallly so different. Having the Pope and the Magisterium are very important in my opinion.

Hi 7 Sorrows: As a Catholic I like to answer that I am a Christian in the Catholic Tradition. That seems to confuse some but not all.

 

[Annie39]

Hi 7 Sorrows: As a Catholic I like to answer that I am a Christian in the Catholic Tradition. That seems to confuse some but not all.

I simply say Catholic.

 

[EvangelCatholic]

So if I ever get a chance to have lunch with Pope Francis and tell him there are those who call themselves evangelical catholics, but they
are really lutherans and their priests have valid holy orders he would say that is correct?

I have never attended a lutheran church. Do they all have priests?
Do some also have female priests and bishops?
I know there are different branches of lutheranism, but I am not familiar with what each one believes.

The quote from the Dialogue at the bottom of my page indicates that Catholics and Lutherans both believe the Catholic faith. Here it is again:

This task is so urgent since
Catholics and Lutherans have never ceased to confess together the faith
in the »one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church
lutheranworld.org/sites/d…0Communion.pdf

Lutherans in historic apostolic succession are more likely to use the term, ‘priest’ for their ministers. In my area of the U.S. some male pastors also are called ‘Father’; it is considered a more personal approach, thus, “Father Bob” instead of the more formal “Pastor Smith” [this is found among both LCMS & ELCA]. Older pastors [retired] are often referred to as ‘Father’ out of respect. Females are called pastor though I heard an Episcopal priest refer to female priest as 'Mother" perhaps borrowing from nuns/ Mother Superior.

Some Lutherans do not ordain women though I believe the majority do have female priests/ bishops.

Photo of my presiding bishop, Elizabeth Eaton and the archbishop of Stockholm.

 

[KjetilK]

I’m a long time advocate of using Catholic (with a capital C and without a qualifier) on this forum to mean only those of us who are in communion with Rome … but the thing that surprises me is that the attitude of most Protestant posters is not so much “OK, we may not like it but well do it when we’re on CAF” but rather “Well that’s how we would use ‘Catholic’ anyhow.”

The Orthodox Churches are not in communion with Rome, yet Rome acknowledges their catholicity.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Hi 7 Sorrows: As a Catholic I like to answer that I am a Christian in the Catholic Tradition. That seems to confuse some but not all.

That works!

 

[7_Sorrows]

EvangelCatholic-what does it mean “this task is so urgent”.

But are you really professing the Catholic faith with female bishops and priests?

 

[EvangelCatholic]

EvangelCatholic-what does it mean “this task is so urgent”.

But are you really professing the Catholic faith with female bishops and priests?

Regarding urgency; your guess is as good as mine but once one reads the Dialogue [some are long] it becomes quite clear what is the intent of the bishops, theologians involved. Benedict XVI was particularly involved though the signing of the JDDJ was under Pope John Paul II.

Lutherans have been ordaining women for over 50 years, the same length of time as the Dialogue with Catholics.

 

[Peter_J]

KjetilK,

Are you, and other Lutherans, not catholic (with a small c at any rate)?

 

[KjetilK]

KjetilK,

Are you, and other Lutherans, not catholic (with a small c at any rate)?

I’m Catholic, with a big C.

 

[spina1953]

I simply say Catholic.

Hi Annie39: Sometimes I to just say Catholic. Some people like to think that being Catholic is not being a Christian, so I say it one way and than another way but in the end it makes no difference as for me I am Catholic and will say so to anyone who ask even if they think that I am not a Christian. For me being a Christian in the Catholic Tradition means that I follow the teaching of Christ as the CC teaches.

 

[Per_Crucem]

KjetilK,

Are you, and other Lutherans, not catholic (with a small c at any rate)?

I’m catholic with a medium c.

 

[steido01]

Lutherans have been ordaining women for over 50 years, the same length of time as the Dialogue with Catholics.

I can think of no better example of Rome’s patience. Imagine; continuing dialogue with a target as it moves further and further from the catholic faith.