Why do many Catholics vote for pro-choice candidates/parties?

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Please give link to what pope Benedict emeritus wrote and I never said, I would not vote for a Democrat …you said that…I was a liberal Democrat until the party lost its moral compass and supports murder of the unborn, believes in a living Constitution, destruction of family values, and is against freedom of religion. If the Democrat’s return to following the Ten commandments and supporting our Founding Fathers who gave us our Constitution…count me in.
 
Divine3 said:
Please give link to what pope Benedict emeritus wrote and I never said, I would not vote for a Democrat …you said that…I was a liberal Democrat until the party lost its moral compass and supports murder of the unborn, believes in a living Constitution, destruction of family values, and is against freedom of religion. If the Democrat’s return to following the Ten commandments and supporting our Founding Fathers who gave us our Constitution…count me in.
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Read my post 20. I quoted there what he said.
In case you think I made it up here is the actual link:


See also the US Bishops Conference position detailed in the document Forming Consciences For Faithful Citizenship.
Go to Part One and scroll down to sections 34, 35, and 36.

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...ciences-for-faithful-citizenship-part-one.cfm
 
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The trouble with the premise that Catholics may not vote for Democrats is that such a premise means we must swallow, hook, line, and sinker, the entire Republican platform of lower taxes for the rich, less support for public education, public transit and public assistance, persecution of immigrants, denial of science, deregulation, support of business over labor, and all for the vague promise that maybe, some day, abortion will be universally criminalized. Just once I would like to see a Republican put his reputation where his mouth is and promote universal obstetric services at no charge to all, rich and poor alike, to at least reduce some of the occasion for abortion.
 
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Abortion is murder it cries out for Gods justice, not sure what Church your are referring to, but abortion is to be taken totally into a voters decision, …
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Of course that is Catholic teaching. I never said otherwise. My point is that the Church doesn’t require its members ro vote solely on that issue…
 
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Wall is central to our executive branch priority currently. It is more than just a physical barrier, it is a values choice. It is one example of many. Many issues are at stake when we vote.
 
Unfortunately many Catholics haven’t read Ezekiel.
{3:17} Son of man, I have made thee a watchman to the house of Israel: and thou shalt hear the word out of my mouth, and shalt tell it them from me.
{3:18} If, when I say to the wicked, Thou shalt surely die: thou declare it not to him, nor speak to him, that he may be converted from his wicked way, and live: the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but I will require his blood at thy hand.
{3:19} But if thou give warning to the wicked, and he be not converted from his wickedness, and from his evil way: he indeed shall die in his iniquity, but thou hast delivered thy soul.
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LeafByNiggle said:
trouble with the premise that Catholics may not vote for Democrats is that such a premise means we must swallow, hook, line, and sinker, the entire Republican platform of lower taxes for the rich, less support for public education, public transit and public assistance, persecution of immigrants, denial of science, deregulation, support of business over labor, and all for the vague promise that maybe, some day, abortion will be universally criminalized. Just once I would like to see a Republican put his reputation where his mouth is and promote universal obstetric services at no charge to all, rich and poor alike, to at least reduce some of the occasion for abortion.
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The trouble with the premise that Catholics may not vote for Republicans is that such a premise means we must swallow hook, line, and sinker the very pro-legalized abortion plank of the Democratic party for their promises of higher taxes for the rich, more money in schools, etc.
 
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Just once I would like to see a Republican put his reputation where his mouth is and promote universal obstetric services at no charge to all, rich and poor alike, to at least reduce some of the occasion for abortion.
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So would I.

Catholic hospitals and doctors could also provide these services. Where you have situations in which the Church would have to spend money — and nothing is free in this world, least of all medical care — let the people donate more. Catholics get off very easily on the donation front. Ask any Baptist or LDS. There are parishes where the parking lot on Sundays looks like the Lexus and Audi dealerships blew up! They can afford it, I assure you.
 
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Argument 1 Part 1​

What do we care about that occurred 2000 years ago? Do we care what the Romans did to innocent civilians? Enough to make a sad documentary, but that is about it.

Now imagine if every territory Rome conquered resulted in the permanent effect (which means visible today) of
  • making sea level rise 1.5 Inches per territory,
  • decreased crop yields by 1.5% per territory,
  • resulted in a more 1.5% more politically in-stable future as the result of increased water scarcity
  • etc.
If these things happened, we would care.

Argument 1 Part 2​

  • History says no government lasts 1000 years.
  • When a government is tossed all legal processes are tossed as well and new ones are created.
  • Any abortion progress will be canceled out.

Argument 1 Combine Part 1 and 2​

All legal progress on the issue will be eliminated over 1000 years and all climate progress will matter for several thousand years.
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Your argument is interesting, and I always like an intelligent, logical, and reasoned discussion. Bravo. Thank you.

If I understand what you are saying, legal systems come and go, laws are changed over time, but the effects of climate change stick around. Fair enough, but the abortion war (and that’s what it is) focuses on keeping as many unborn children as possible from being killed right now, and setting legal protections in place for the near term. I fully realize that a future regime may legalize all abortion and remove whatever protections we put in place now. But sometimes you have to meet the immediate crisis and worry about the long-term some other time.
 
Why did you leave out the reason why abortion is legal in the USA?

Women have a right to privacy and the government should not interfere with that right.

I am not saying this is a good reason or a bad reason. But it is the only reason that actually matters in the discussion. Abortion will be legal until this reason is refuted or set aside.
 
Dovekin said:
Women have a right to privacy and the government should not interfere with that right.
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The Supreme Court “discovered” this right. Many say this was faulty jurisprudence.

Actually, abortion is not addressed at all in the Constitution. Unless the pro-lifers are willing to put a massive amount of effort into amending the Constitution to protect the unborn — and even then, they would have to address the question of “life begins at conception” being on collision course with contraceptive methods that can kill the newly conceived zygote — the most that could happen would be to remove the issue from the federal government’s purview, and return it to the states.
 
One point here: why is a “living Constitution” bad? I think there must be some stretchability or adaptation to the Constitution since we live in a far different country than it was when the Founding Fathers created the document. Even so-called constitutional literalists have to admit that much.
 
What you call Democratic promises, however, are not merely promises. Democrats not only support such things; they have, for better or worse, put many of them into practice.
 
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Woman have a right to privacy? What does privacy mean to you? Are abortions private? No paper work, no payment, no receipts for payment, no signed papers, no pharmacy orders for home abortion pills, no records, no statistics, no rented trash container for the remains of the child, no( so called ) doctor that knows you want him to perform the abortion…how is abortion private, please explain. Thanks.
 
I never said it was a good rason, just that it is the only reason that matters. I certainly am not the one to defend the logic of it.

It is the reason the Supreme Court offered for allowing abortion in Roe v Wade. Or a mangling of it by me, maybe someone else could express it more clearly. All the other reasons in the OP make little difference as long as this reason exists.
 
• I never hear Actual Church Teachings on ABORTION from the Pulpit -
so don’t blame me if I endorse laws of Man which allow Murder of babes in the womb?
 
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I see what you are saying but even saying abortion, by the court ,is a private matter is an untruth. Of course thinking its your own body is a lie to. A woman’s body is made in the image and likeness of God and so is her child, her body is not hers. She never made her body. The lies we hide behind blind us to truth, goodness and life.
 
There isn’t a good reason to vote to kill babies! The devil sure is the father of lies. The best thing to do to prevent abortions is teach children discipline, morals and self control and provide an economy that has a job for everyone who wants one.
 
Don’t trust what they tell you, they lie: climate has always changed, and man had nothing to do with it. This is just an excuse to impose new taxt, stop development, and decrease population ( just like abortion).
Trusting catastrophists is reassuring, because they tell you you have the power to decide the destiny of world, you have control. But we havent
 
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