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LovelyLadybug
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Well, as I said, it is a protestant concept. Are you Catholic? It was probably a bit rude of the speaker to “make fun of” Protestants, but he was right. It’s not something a Catholic should do. 
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tafan2
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You are correct. I will say that many former Catholics of my acquaintance certainly have a lack of understanding of the sacraments, and this IMO is what led to their disbelief.
But I do acknowledge one could understand everything the Church holds dear and teaches about the Sacraments and still not believe. It is not common, but possible.
But I do acknowledge one could understand everything the Church holds dear and teaches about the Sacraments and still not believe. It is not common, but possible.
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undead_rat
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The miracle of the impression of the Holy Corpse’s image on its burial cloth was done in the first century, and was witnessed then as well. The fact that scientists have made some remarkable discoveries about the Shroud in modern times does not change that.
Furthermore, you might consider that people who hate Christianity try to say that Jesus never existed, or, if that He did exist, He was just another itinerant preacher, or that His corpse did not vanish from the inside of a sealed tomb. The scientific evidence found on the Shroud contradicts all of these terrible ideas.
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TC3033
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No, I’m not Catholic.
He wasn’t saying anything about what a Catholic “should and shouldn’t do”, it was pretty specifically poking at non-Catholics. I about left.
He wasn’t saying anything about what a Catholic “should and shouldn’t do”, it was pretty specifically poking at non-Catholics. I about left.
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goout
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If you are a Christian, this is the family from which you come. Family is not chosen, it is part of our God-given destiny.
And THAT is Christ-like.
Did Christ come into the human condition? Yes he did. Did he pick and choose his family? No he did not. He embraced us all, with all our embarrassing sins and violence…all things you mention.
Christ not only embraced us from a distance, he personally handed off his mission to the very people who’s sins you are calling out. If Christ casts his lot with sinful people, why do you not?
Where do you fit into this picture with Christ???
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Jimbo
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That’s a big list. From a cursory reading, I think that you might not have all the good explanations, though I could be wrong. Is there anything in particular that could be focused upon first? I think trying to handle everything at once would be impossible for someone like me.
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LovelyLadybug
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This is disrespectful. The Bible is a Catholic Book and, although non Catholics can go to heaven, bring Catholic helps a lot. Please don’t say things like that about Catholicism. Thank You!!! 
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Calliope
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I left the Church because I don’t believe what it teaches.
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adf417
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I reject the fact that other faiths that interpret the bible correctly do so inconsistently with others that do the same.
If you read the “cate” you would understand that these “Methodists” that “get to heaven” do so not by correctly interpreting the bible. The “cate” also even says Muslims are a part of the plan of salvation.
Peace!!!
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Jimbo
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Please, please. We can have honest theological discussion and disagreement about the Bible. I just ask that you don’t go to TV drama’s to determine the truth of the Church.
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Jimbo
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Without knowing where you are coming from theologically; I’ll respectfully disagree. The Eucharist; which is His body, blood, soul, and divinity, His Real Presence on earth, would be more important.
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tafan2
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I am trying to understand this, perhaps my reading ability is weak in my old age. You reject a fact? It is a fact that two Faith’s correct interpret the bible, yet are inconsistent with each other?
Please clarify.
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goout
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How do you reconcile the fact that
We are all sinners
We are called to live in community, not in merely individual relationships with Christ.
Christ explicitly establishes that community
That community has it’s share of sin, because it has one foot in the human world.
How do you reconcile those?
We are all sinners
We are called to live in community, not in merely individual relationships with Christ.
Christ explicitly establishes that community
That community has it’s share of sin, because it has one foot in the human world.
How do you reconcile those?
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Jimbo
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No problem! I will say caveat emptor beforehand. I’m not the smartest guy in the world, but I’ll do my best.
Look at the Didache. Written around the first century; it has many of the key things in it. Baptism; the Eucharist; types of prayers, etc. Or Justin Martyr’s description of the Mass written in the 150’s or so. These things are in line with modern Catholicism.
That isn’t to say that there weren’t splinter groups and other groups of believers that got things wrong. Of course there were, but you see in the council of Jerusalem how the Church even very early on has a mechanism and authority to decide doctrine. And I think that’s what this comes down to; authority.
What I see in the early Church is the core doctrines; and the authority to define and defend the core doctrines. And that is key, because that authority is what gave us the canon of the Bible.
Does that help? Or am I way off base in understanding what your question was?
That’s actually one of the things that helped strengthen my faith. There is a great book I read awhile back by Rod Dreher, I think; the apostacy that wasn’t. In it he goes into much of the early Church’s teaching, and much of the core beliefs are there. The primacy of Peter. The passing of the special position of the Bishop of Rome and apostolic succession in general.
Look at the Didache. Written around the first century; it has many of the key things in it. Baptism; the Eucharist; types of prayers, etc. Or Justin Martyr’s description of the Mass written in the 150’s or so. These things are in line with modern Catholicism.
That isn’t to say that there weren’t splinter groups and other groups of believers that got things wrong. Of course there were, but you see in the council of Jerusalem how the Church even very early on has a mechanism and authority to decide doctrine. And I think that’s what this comes down to; authority.
What I see in the early Church is the core doctrines; and the authority to define and defend the core doctrines. And that is key, because that authority is what gave us the canon of the Bible.
Does that help? Or am I way off base in understanding what your question was?
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maryjk
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I posted this on a thread in Catholic Living, but I thought that I would share it here.
How about, " I was told that what I did was an unforgivable and I was going to Hell? "
No, what she did wasn’t a sin, and certainly not unforgivable.
That was my mom. See she had a hysterectomy without church permission.
She was living in a foreign country with only one priest available. So she couldn’t shop around to get another opinion.
He told her that her job was to have babies. And having a hysterectomy without permission was going to send her to hell.
She left the Church. And so did my father.
They both eventually came back.
How about, " I was told that what I did was an unforgivable and I was going to Hell? "
No, what she did wasn’t a sin, and certainly not unforgivable.
That was my mom. See she had a hysterectomy without church permission.
She was living in a foreign country with only one priest available. So she couldn’t shop around to get another opinion.
He told her that her job was to have babies. And having a hysterectomy without permission was going to send her to hell.
She left the Church. And so did my father.
They both eventually came back.
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IsaiahSpirit
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@LovelyLadybug
Here is a good article below, and some guides toward positive solutions.
(the following is a brief overview of some of the things the likes of Bishop Barron,
and others conveyed. By no means inclusive like the rise of ‘scientism’ where
the secular world started exalting science; and a pervasive religion is at odds with science.)
But originally, the watering down of The Gospel in the 60s and 70s, many thought,
subconsciously or consciously, along the lines of ‘well I could be a good person,
and do good works, why do I need the Church.’ This was aided and abetted by
not finding enough assertive resolute language like today’s ‘Chastity Project,’
regarding why sexuality is so tied to purity and chastity and is for marriage.
So some got too much of ‘don’t do that,’ without enough positive language;
coinciding with detractors giving license such as Bishops in Canada,
conforming to the Protestantism regarding artificial contraception as opposed
to the natural cycles GOD provides, but still welcoming a child. The atmosphere of
a ‘Hollywood’ mentality of ‘spontaneity’ to deny the loving power of the Fruit of The Holy Spirit,
in self-control(modesty-chastity-temperance); certainly did not help.
There were many contributing factors; but watering down the Gospel had the opposite intended effect.
We needed a more pervasive creative compassion to respond to the difficulties.
Peace.
Why Young Christians Leave The Church…and What To Do About It
" A 5-year research project from the Barna Group highlights 6 reasons why young Christians leave Christianity. I will comment below, between the quotes of the study." - source Why Young Christians… as cited above in the link.
Peace and deep heartfelt well being wishes.
Here is a good article below, and some guides toward positive solutions.
(the following is a brief overview of some of the things the likes of Bishop Barron,
and others conveyed. By no means inclusive like the rise of ‘scientism’ where
the secular world started exalting science; and a pervasive religion is at odds with science.)
But originally, the watering down of The Gospel in the 60s and 70s, many thought,
subconsciously or consciously, along the lines of ‘well I could be a good person,
and do good works, why do I need the Church.’ This was aided and abetted by
not finding enough assertive resolute language like today’s ‘Chastity Project,’
regarding why sexuality is so tied to purity and chastity and is for marriage.
So some got too much of ‘don’t do that,’ without enough positive language;
coinciding with detractors giving license such as Bishops in Canada,
conforming to the Protestantism regarding artificial contraception as opposed
to the natural cycles GOD provides, but still welcoming a child. The atmosphere of
a ‘Hollywood’ mentality of ‘spontaneity’ to deny the loving power of the Fruit of The Holy Spirit,
in self-control(modesty-chastity-temperance); certainly did not help.
There were many contributing factors; but watering down the Gospel had the opposite intended effect.
We needed a more pervasive creative compassion to respond to the difficulties.
Peace.
Why Young Christians Leave The Church…and What To Do About It
" A 5-year research project from the Barna Group highlights 6 reasons why young Christians leave Christianity. I will comment below, between the quotes of the study." - source Why Young Christians… as cited above in the link.
Peace and deep heartfelt well being wishes.
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Living74
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“Although non Catholics can go to heaven, being Catholic helps” . Being Methodist also helps, right? Bring faithful also helps right.
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fhansen
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I left as a teen simply because I didn’t know if the Church’s teachings were true or not. Until I began to seek the truth for myself I didn’t really find it. But I did seek-and find-and came back to Christianity after some years, and then back to the Catholic Church after 25 years!
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Sheep4sale
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They aren’t being fed. It really is that simple. As the joke goes, “we don’t steal sheep we just have really nice pastures”.
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Sheep4sale
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When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.
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