Why do people say Unity is good

[TEPO]

The UN has historically been supported by the Catholic Church in its mission to help maintain peace and commerce in the world.

Are you aware that the UN had formally requested that the Catholic Church change her Canon Laws to include something regarding the special care of young children? The UN has also officially asked the Church to ease her position on contraception and abortion.

…so as the UN begins it’s descent into the realm of Secular Humanism, and begins to pound a wedge between its goals and the goals of the Church, you may some day see a change in the Church’s relationship with the UN. (But it won’t necessarily be the Church opposing the UN, it could be the other way around).

 

[Pilgrim_333]

Unity, itself is neither good nor evil. It is the unifying principle(s), which determine the goodness or lack thereof of unity.

 

[GaryTaylor]

What’s your take?

Immediate long term protest were losing. Re-directed intervention. Hey, you asked.

 

[GaryTaylor]

what happens when these governments do the complete opposite?.

Good people become ruled by evil.

 

[Charlemagne_III]

After all, the devil loves unity too. . (And he’s a thief and a mockery)

I’d say the devil loves diversity, and especially diverting us from our unity with God.

“Divide and conquer” would be the devil’s motto.

 

[TEPO]

I’d say the devil loves diversity, and especially diverting us from our unity with God.

“Divide and conquer” would be the devil’s motto.

Genesis 11: usccb.org/bible/genesis/11

"The LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the people had built.

Then the LORD said: If now, while they are one people and all have the same language, they have started to do this, nothing they presume to do will be out of their reach.

Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that no one will understand the speech of another.

So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city.

That is why it was called Babel,* because there the LORD confused the speech of all the world. From there the LORD scattered them over all the earth."

…so God is also a divider. Also the Catholic Church teaches a principle of Subsidiarity, which seems to oppose unbridled unity in governance. So the Catholic position is with both unity and restrictions of said unity -and with that, we have something to go with.

 

[Charlemagne_III]

That is why it was called Babel,* because there the LORD confused the speech of all the world. From there the LORD scattered them over all the earth."

…so God is also a divider.

But notice that the dividing is their punishment for their pagan pride.

CHRIST CALLS FOR UNITY

“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word, that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou has sent me.” - John 17:20-21

“Other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one flock, one shepherd.” (John 10:16).

Paul calls for unity:

“For it has been reported to me about you, my brothers, by Chloe’s people, that there are rivalries among you. I mean that each of you is saying, “I belong to Paul,” or “I belong to Apollos,” or “I belong to Cephas,” or “I belong to Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I give thanks (to God) that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one can say you were baptized in my name.” 1 Corinthians. 1:11-15

“May the God of endurance and encouragement grant you to think in harmony with one another, in keeping with Christ Jesus, that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
Romans 15:5-6

“I urge you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree in what you say, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and in the same purpose.” 1 Corinthians 1:10

“I, then, a prisoner for the Lord, urge you to live in a manner worthy of the call you have received, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another through love, a striving to preserve the unity of the spirit through the bond of peace: one body and one Spirit, as you were also called to the one hope of your call; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.” Ephesians 4:1-5

“Only conduct yourselves in a way worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that, whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear news of you, that you are standing firm in one spirit, with one mind struggling together for the faith of the gospel.” Philippians 1:27

*How Protestantism Divides Itself

Two tiny Protestant communities in a small town in Canada were getting on quite fine. They were of different sects, but they communicated well together and shared certain charitable chores in the town. Eventually they decided to look into things, see if they could unite and form one church. They went back to the Bible, to see what that said. They studied the fathers, to see what they had to say. They prayed and held services in the hopes of achieving unity. Eventually they acted on their conclusions.

There are now three Protestant communities in that small Canadian town!*

 

[TEPO]

If I were to imagine-up a solid Catholic position on governance, I would have to say that the principles of unity and diversity should both be extended equally.

…so here’s my hypothesis. A Global mission to foster diversity in culture throughout the world, with respect to Tribes, cultures, and ethnicities. Then once these divisions are realized, we offer these peoples the principle of subsidiarity to govern themselves, no matter how large or small. We then enforce global rules requesting these groups to create a “public square”, where tourists and inter-global trade centers which will bring global unity -but their common land areas will be restricted from outside influence. Therefore we will have created both global unity AND global diversity.

This is all in opposition to the current form of unity in Europe and within the UN. So there would be required a new political platform here in the US to compete with the current NEO-parties that we are currently polarized with. We would essentially be creating a competitive force in opposition with the UN. And a new force for global peace.

 

[TimothyH]

Catholics say unity is good because God said it.

*Behold, how good and pleasant it is
when brothers dwell in unity!
(Psalm 33:1)

*…that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me. ** (John 17:21-23)

For a Christian, unity is how the world believes that Jesus was sent by God and how the world knows that God loves us.

The goodness of unity is a truth revealed to us by God.

-Tim-

 

[TEPO]

Catholics say unity is good because God said it.

Behold, how good and pleasant it is
when brothers dwell in unity!
(Psalm 33:1)

**…that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me. ** (John 17:21-23)

For a Christian, unity is how the world believes that Jesus was sent by God and how the world knows that God loves us.

The goodness of unity is a truth revealed to us by God.

-Tim-

But the end result of absolute untrammeled unity would be a single culture, a single government and a single global language… So are you okay with ‘absolute’ unity? Or should unity be restricted to at least some degree?

This is the basis of my question. Do we as Catholics allow unity to continue unbridled without any restrictions at all, knowing that it will eventually (if left unchecked) result in the death of many ancient cultures…

 

[TimothyH]

But the end result of absolute untrammeled unity would be a single culture, a single government and a single global language… So are you okay with ‘absolute’ unity? Or should unity be restricted to at least some degree?

This is the basis of my question. Do we as Catholics allow unity to continue unbridled without any restrictions at all, knowing that it will eventually (if left unchecked) result in the death of many ancient cultures…

Unity doesn’t mean you can’t be different from each other. Unity is not uniformity.

Being in union with others has to do with purpose, not with speaking the same language and producing the same type of art. Those things can hinder unity but they are not unity.

Unity is God’s will. Unity must be good. God does not will that which is not good.

I just noticed that this is the philosophy forum. Yuk. :hypno: I’ve gone over my one philosophy post/year quota. I thought it was Moral Theology. I’m out of here to go do lectio…

-Tim-

 

[TEPO]

Unity doesn’t mean you can’t be different from each other. Unity is not uniformity.

Being in union with others has to do with purpose, not with speaking the same language and producing the same type of art. Those things can hinder unity but they are not unity.

Unity is God’s will. Unity must be good. God does not will that which is not good.

I just noticed that this is the philosophy forum. Yuk. :hypno: I’ve gone over my one philosophy post/year quota. I thought it was Moral Theology. I’m out of here to go do lectio…

-Tim-

Oh come on Tim, expand your Catholic informed conscience!

It’s part of what we’re called to do as Catholics.

 

[Servant19]

45 Surprising Facts About Extreme Poverty Around the World You May Not Have Realized

Go to the above thread in these forums. None of us alone can help those hundreds of thousands of starving, hungry and diseased people. United together we can at least reduce this world-wide suffering to a trickle.
United we stand. Diverse groups united in one objective is good for world-wide or society wide wide projects.

Communism bad.

This is a wonderful post and summarises beautifully what is meant by the term “unity” in Sacred Texts.

Unity of thought under the umbrella of Divine Law and under a Universal Cause, while maintaining diverse cultural and racial expressions is a pre-requisite to the peace and security of the world and all its peoples.

Unity in diversity is life. Disunity is death.

The molecules of hydrogen and oxygen are both implicated in fire, yet when they unite, though individually diverse in nature, produce the most critical molecule on earth, water.



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[TEPO]

This is a wonderful post and summarises beautifully what is meant by the term “unity” in Sacred Texts.

Unity of thought under the umbrella of Divine Law and under a Universal Cause, while maintaining diverse cultural and racial expressions is a pre-requisite to the peace and security of the world and all its peoples.

Unity in diversity is life. Disunity is death.

The molecules of hydrogen and oxygen are both implicated in fire, yet when they unite, though individually diverse in nature, produce the most critical molecule on earth, water.



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Well that all sounds reasonable to me, but there isn’t anything being accomplished for those humans outside of the ‘West’.

What about those starving in Africa and Asia and the Middle East? The UN does nothing for them. Europa and Eurasia either?

Perhaps it’s time for a new global initiative that actually respects both diversity and and unity and doesn’t just ‘claim’ to.

The first step in my eyes, is to stop African tribesman from rediverting rivers and food from other tribes by implementing restricted territories with common ‘free zones’ for trade and tourism purposes.

 

[TEPO]

This is a wonderful post and summarises beautifully what is meant by the term “unity” in Sacred Texts.

Unity of thought under the umbrella of Divine Law and under a Universal Cause, while maintaining diverse cultural and racial expressions is a pre-requisite to the peace and security of the world and all its peoples.

Unity in diversity is life. Disunity is death.

The molecules of hydrogen and oxygen are both implicated in fire, yet when they unite, though individually diverse in nature, produce the most critical molecule on earth, water.



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Do you see the UN as being successful in what they do? Personally, I don’t. I see their initiatives as ineffective, therefore their policies are not in line with Gods will.

 

[orang]

If the dignity is removed from a class or significant quantity of people, it will represent a rejection. ( by any suggestion, it doesn’t matter what the nature of the suggestion is.

Rejection is in a large part why species in the biological understandings become separated and eventually extinct. Everything the science’s shows, shows extinction to be something real.

This is partly why war is a reality. A group thinks it is being rejected in its perseverance and honorable contribution and the complaining can become all about exactly the root issue, survival and rejection.

If social structures become divided in area’s of dignity and therefore suggestions of worth it is an indication of a beginning to the warring. War does not just happen, it needs to be nurtured and develop with attribute rejection which can be expressed in many ways, as man is a very expressive thing.

The greater the lobsided rich vrs poor, the greater the nurturing of rejection by suggestion and a full accelerating path toward either interior or exterior war, rejection boundaries are boundaries themselves, and country or zone lines are not required.

This explains in part why there is very little enthusiasm for being industrious, unconsciously the mood swing in the culture has a problem, no different then the quality . lack of quality I should say in theater and music…the talented ones are simply not inspired to inspire .

I’m sorry its sad, but things need to take a turn. ( supposed expectation and means of exchange.

sometimes , ( to give an example) I see writings or pro thoughts with regards to history…ideas are put forward and comments are in suggestion as to the mind set of some generations in history, Whats neatly not included, I don’t know if its just plain not understanding things all together or what have you…whats not included is Any consideration for the perseverance and struggle realities which would of contributed greatly to history’s understanding in how human social developing and appreciating potencials would in fact be translated. So for one simple example, do people not realize in many societies in history there wasn’t even really anything such as a dentist ? many other things as well, cold, hungry…the Male -Female understandings would have been needed to be far more mature. Anyway I don’t really care as though a big deal and writing out for the exercise of it.

 

[Charlemagne_III]

But the end result of absolute untrammeled unity would be a single culture, a single government and a single global language… So are you okay with ‘absolute’ unity? Or should unity be restricted to at least some degree?

God is absolute unity, so I guess I’m o;k. with that.

For us, of course, absolute untrammeled unity is impossible because we are created diverse.

Long live the difference between male and female.

Yet male and female ideally are united as one to produce diverse children.

So yes, opposites attract. God and man are drawn to each by the unifying virtue of love.

Hatred is built on diversity (us vs them) and destructive wars follow to assure the end of unity.

 

[TEPO]

Hatred is built on diversity (us vs them) and destructive wars follow to assure the end of unity.

I don’t believe this though. Hatred seems to be built more on a lack of respect for diversity… Diversity will never die. We must embrace it.

True Unity, on the other hand, is an impossible goal.

 

[Charlemagne_III]

I don’t believe this though. Hatred seems to be built more on a lack of respect for diversity… Diversity will never die. We must embrace it.

Diversity is the devil’s wedge to separate us from God. Diversity, it is true, will never die, but only because the devil will never die. The devil will instill hatred between diverse races, but God tells us we are not diverse because we are all united by his love for all.

Segregationists, who celebrate the virtue of diversity, are for the most part not loving people.

 

[TEPO]

Diversity is the devil’s wedge to separate us from God. Diversity, it is true, will never die, but only because the devil will never die. The devil will instill hatred between diverse races, but God tells us we are not diverse because we are all united by his love for all.

Segregationists, who celebrate the virtue of diversity, are for the most part not loving people.

Two things…

1.) unity is no more a product of Gods love than diversity is in just the same way that liberalism is no more a product of Gods love than Conservativism. In fact, all four are from God and must be balanced equally.

2.) how can we read the hearts of segregationalists well enough to measure their love? Perhaps our consciences have been hijacked to take this attitude because extremists such as Hitler created an imbalance -and perhaps that imbalance was all part if the devils plan to implement untrammeled ‘unity’ on a global scale to enforce authoritarian rule through a coming global governance.

Honestly, there is a place for conservatism / liberalism, governance / individualism, unity / division, left / right, up / down, good / evil, etc.