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Why do Protestant Apologists feel the need to lie about history and the Catholic Church?
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Grateful4mercy
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But I want to use the most authentic bible in existence. The same one that St Peter, St Paul, St John, and all the other Apostles used. Which NT did they teach out of?Yours of course-- the one you have in your house.
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ALLFORHIM
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OH GOOD GRIEF–You are just being sarcastic at this point.
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HailMary
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I think its a good point right?OH GOOD GRIEF–You are just being sarcastic at this point.
I mean surely you want to read all the books they must have been exposed to right?!?!?!!?!?!?
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ALLFORHIM
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Sure but I believe the original documents have all been destroyed so you pretty much go by what we have today. Whether a catholic or protestant bible.
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HailMary
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Sure but I believe the original documents have all been destroyed so you pretty much go by what we have today. Whether a catholic or protestant bible.
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Indyann
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Please answer me this, Protestants.
If you read all of John 6 (all of it, not just selected verses), how can you possibly deny the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist?
It is so plain, I have just never understood how anyone could twist this scripture.
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ALLFORHIM
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Hey,
Could you start a different thread because that deserves a whole thread by itself.
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Grateful4mercy
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You’re rightOH GOOD GRIEF–You are just being sarcastic at this point.
I was just having a bit of fun with you, sorry I forgot to put a smiley in there to indicate I was pulling your leg a little. 
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ALLFORHIM
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You’re right
It is fun to be humerous. Lord knows we need humor to break up the tension here at CAF.
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advert123
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CATHOLICS ARE TRUE BELIEVERS RIGHT READ THIS
**1 John 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols.
Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.
SO ARENT YOU SINNING? AND THIS IS FROM NEW TESTAMENT
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**1 John 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols.
Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.
SO ARENT YOU SINNING? AND THIS IS FROM NEW TESTAMENT
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Rutz
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But maybe the Protestants don´t know that they are lying…
Another thing - to study this problem requires much time and many efforts - and unfortunately many prefer the easy answers (=Protestant sects).
They prefer fast food without vitamines to a genuine homemade meal which you have spent many hours to prepare.
We Catholics have to reconsider why we lose so many members to the Pentecostal movements in South America.
Who has the responsability ?
Please excuse my English - I´m Danish.
Lisbeth
Another thing - to study this problem requires much time and many efforts - and unfortunately many prefer the easy answers (=Protestant sects).
They prefer fast food without vitamines to a genuine homemade meal which you have spent many hours to prepare.
We Catholics have to reconsider why we lose so many members to the Pentecostal movements in South America.
Who has the responsability ?
Please excuse my English - I´m Danish.
Lisbeth
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Petergee
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TRY ME!! You and the other protestants here keep telling us that there are all these protestant apologist sites which rationally demolish the Catholic Church’s claims without resorting to gross misrepresentations of history and/or Catholic doctrines; but you refuse to give us even one link.Honestly, I dont think it really matters what website someone gives you because whatever is said will just be construed as gross misrepresentation by you regardless.
Because let’s face it–if the info. presented to you didnt offend you well then you would be protestant
I know a few that give some great answers as to why the CC is wrong and they dont do it in a malicious way. However, Im sure you will see it that way just by the very nature of your post.
I don’t care if they offend me. I don’t care if they say that the Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon and the pope is the Antichrist. I just want to read a protestant apologetic against Catholicism which doesn’t depend on whoppers which are obvious to anyone who makes the slightest serious enquiry, such as “Catholics worship Mary”, or “The Catholic Church ordered that Jews who refused to covert to Catholicism should be killed”, or “Constantine/Charlemagne/some Pope invented such-and-such new doctrine which Catholics have since been required to believe.”
Trust me sincerely, this is not a sarcastic or rhetorical question, but something very close to my heart and very important. At one time (in pre-internet days) I was very close to becoming a protestant, but the only thing that stopped me was that I was unable to find any argument that Catholicism was wrong, which did not resort to crude and obvious misrepresentations. That was what started me along the track of thinking that maybe the Catholicism I had rebelled against might be right after all.
So please, protestants, if you believe you have Christ’s truth about the Catholic Church, don’t hide it under a bushel! As Christ said, let all see the truth. If you REALLY believe that it is the truth.
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estesbob
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AThere are two huge problems with this approach,. First it is totally dependent on the personal interperation of either you or your Pastor. And since we have seen that in the Protestant Church there is a wide divergence of opnion on matters of faith and morals we know they cant all be rght.Well, I dont determine biblical truth–God does since He wrote it and He alone determined it.
I am just trying to figure it out by studying what it says. IT IS NOT EASY—but- I just trust and rely on the HS to guide me and teach the right way to go. So far so Good:thumbsup:
When I have a question because Im stuck I do go to my pastor and I tell him what I think the passage means and he either tells me Im correct or he explains in further detail or corrects me.
After all, God did give us spiritual leaders to help us as well. My ministers are much more mature in Christ then I am. Plus, they have studied the entire bible–I have not.
I am just searching for the truth. When I come upon a belief that doesnt line up with the bible or totally goes against the bible then I cannot believe it as truth.
Dont you feel the same way?
The second problem is limiting your self to you personal interperation of a book that did not exist in the early Church and a cannon that was not set out until 400 years after Christ died. I find it ironic that would trust your Pastor over say the writings of Igantius, Aquinas,Augustine et al.
I am fortunate that my parents raised me in the one true Church where I can rely on all three plilars that underlie the Church Jesus founded.-Scripture, tradition and the Magestrium.
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Proletarian
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Wow! how did this thread get so off track?
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DixiesFinest
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Because humans are in charge of it. We do tend to get a little crazy when we debate.
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Petergee
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Protestants evaded the OPs question by bringing up totally different subjects, and several Catholics took the bait and responded to their off-topic red herrings instead of demanding that they answer the question.
When the protestants here claimed that there are many mainstream protestant sites which refute Catholicism without resorting to obvious lies about history and Catholic doctrines, my first thought was “Wow, maybe I overlooked something when I concluded that the protestants have no rational answer to Catholicism.” But I’ve begged protestants to show me these sites and have received a big fat zero in response.
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Proletarian
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I’d tend to agree.
I think we can say that with respect to Protestant apologists there is a minority that intentionally spreads lies about the Church, but that there is a majority that does not… This majority, instead of providing a rational, historically accurate critique of Catholicism simply remains silent, knowing that such an argument cannot be made against the RCC. Unfortunately the propaganda produced by the minority is embraced by an ignorant majority who look for anything that would discredit the Church they so passionately protest.
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mozart-250
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Umm…which protestants here claimed there were mainstream protestant sites which refute Catholicism without resorting to obvious lies about history and Catholic doctrines.
Please supply the quotes.
BTW I could point you to web sites that disagree with Catholicism but do not obviously lie about Catholicism. R,C, Sproul comes to mind perhaps, I wouldn’t call him unduly preoccupied with Catholicism, and he certainly is nowhere near like the fringe websites posted here.
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Proletarian
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Hi mozart,
I’ve thoroughly searched a number of Sproul related sites and was unable to find anything related to Catholicism. Do you know of a particular article in which he deals with the “errors” of Catholicism?
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