Why do Protestant hate Mary?

[RNRobert]

I came across a Protestant site that claimed the ‘Hail Mary’ prayed by Catholics was the same as saying ‘Hail Satan!’ :bigyikes::bigyikes::bigyikes:

As a Protestant, I didn’t hate Mary, but I was under the impression (which many Protestants share) that Catholics worshipped Mary.
While Protestants may not ‘hate’ Mary, they treat her with all the respect you would give a packing crate. It’s like saying the Ark of the Covenant was just a box (Mary was the Ark of the New Covenant, so could she be just a woman?). Many cringe when they hear the term “Blessed Virgin Mary,” yet that term is Biblical.
It’s also interesting that many modern day Protestants reject beliefs held not only by generations of Catholic and Orthodox, but by the Reformers as well. For instance, Luther, Calvin and Zwingli, the architects of the Reformation, all believed in Mary’s perpetual virginity. Yet, this is denied by most present-day Protestants. Also, some of Luther’s writings seem to indicate that he believed in the Immaculate Conception (From a 1527 sermon: “But the other conception, namely the infusion of the soul, was without any sin, so that while the soul was being infused, she would be at the same time cleansed from original sin and adorned with the gifts of God to receive the holy soul thus infused. And thus in the very moment in which she began to live, she was without all sin…” A 1532 sermon ends with the words, “All seed except Mary was vitiated.”) I find it rather ironic that a Protestant Reformer voiced a belief in the Immacualte Conception three and a half centuries before it was declared as dogma!

 

[julebenn]

For one, Mary gave Jesus flesh and blood, so the Word can become flesh.

Surely, Jesus loved his mother so much, he taken his mother Body and Soul into heaven. Jesus even said, “Blessed is the one who hear the word of God and kept it.”

Mary in the Gospel of Luke respond to the news of Messiah said to Gabriel, “Be it done unto me according to your Word.”

She kept God’s word and remain faithful to her son. When all the other disciple left during jesus passion, Mary remain faithful.

Mary was an ordinary human female whom God chose to use in a extraordinary way. she needed Jesus Christ as her Savior, just like everyone else (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 6:23 1 John 1:8

Jesus definitely loved and cherished His mother, but your reasons above are only assumed.

 

[Orionthehunter]

I** object to the title of this thread.** Before you can pose a question like this you first have to establish that the assertion implicit in the question is true. I have worked with Protestants in many capacities that involved mutual discussion of our beliefs and never, ever have I heard even the most vehemently anti-Catholic express “hatred for Mary.” What I do hear is what amounts to disgust with popular piety of some Catholics that borders on the superstitious, and deep mistrust of Catholic doctrines about Mary that, to their understanding, are not supported directly in Scripture. The most common thread is what you would expect, a conviction that prayer should be addressed only to the Divinity, not to Mary or saints, based on a misunderstanding of the nature of intercessory prayer.

Ditto. This is an offense against the truth, a grave matter. While having been around Protestants all my life, I’ve never heard a single expression of hatred to the Blessed Mother. In all the Marian debates I’ve participated, I’ve never read a single post that expressed hatred for her. If this person exists, the person is such a rare exception to be meaningless.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Mary was an ordinary human female whom God chose to use in a extraordinary way. she needed Jesus Christ as her Savior, just like everyone else (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 6:23 1 John 1:8

Jesus definitely loved and cherished His mother, but your reasons above are only assumed.

She was ordinary but special because she became the Mother of God. God loved her so and yes, she was assumed by God out of love.

Soon all of us will be assumed into heaven, if we remain faithful to God’s commandments.

 

[julebenn]

Mary did not ascended into heaven. She was assumed by the Power of God. The Church is silent whether Mary died on earth before she assumed. In the Eastern Rite Catholics tradition, and as well Orthodox, Mary did die, and upon her death, her Son, assumed her body and soul into heaven.

I want to make it clear to Protestants that the Catholic Church does not profess that she ascended. Mary was assumed.

Mary in the Bible does have a role. She the Woman Clothed with the Sun mention in Revelation 12 hence giving her the title Queen of Heaven since her Son Jesus inherited the Davidic Kingdom… but that is another discussion.

If Mary was free from original sin, she would not have suffered during the birth of her Son. The Women in Revelation 12 was in great pain she “cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

This is more likely Israel twelve stars representing the 12 tribes of Israel.

 

[jmcrae]

I came across a Protestant site that claimed the ‘Hail Mary’ prayed by Catholics was the same as saying ‘Hail Satan!’ :bigyikes::bigyikes::bigyikes:

I have also seen this - I’ve seen worse things, too. Thank God such people don’t come to CAF, though - I’ve never seen that sort of thing here.

 

[Mannyfit75]

If Mary was free from original sin, she would not have suffered during the birth of her Son. The Women in Revelation 12 was in great pain she “cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

This is more likely Israel twelve stars representing the 12 tribes of Israel.

The Church does not teach that Mary was preserved from pain, and suffering. Even Jesus suffer pains during his crucifixition even though he was sinless.

The twelve stars represents the 12 apostles who will rule over the twelve tribes. But literally speaking, the woma gave birth to a male child who will rule all nations. He was then taken up by God to be at his thrown. This child is Jesus, who gave birth to Jesus? Mary, therefore, the woman clothed with the sun is Mary.

 

[julebenn]

The Church does not teach that Mary was preserved from pain, and suffering. Even Jesus suffer pains during his crucifixition even though he was sinless.

The twelve stars represents the 12 apostles who will rule over the twelve tribes. But literally speaking, the woma gave birth to a male child who will rule all nations. He was then taken up by God to be at his thrown. This child is Jesus, who gave birth to Jesus? Mary, therefore, the woman clothed with the sun is Mary.

Please explain: Bible describes the pain of childbirth as a result of original sin: “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in pain you shall bring forth children” (Genesis 3:16). I thought May was free from original sin?
Again she would not have have suffered during the birth of her Son.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Please explain: Bible describes the pain of childbirth as a result of original sin: “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in pain you shall bring forth children” (Genesis 3:16). I thought May was free from original sin?
Again she would not have have suffered during the birth of her Son.

She was preserved from Original Sin by the God. I believe she did suffer pain. Do you believe Jesus is sinless? Then was was he in pain?

Second, the book of Revelations contains both symbolic and literal meaning.

 

[Melchior]

That does make sense but their objection seens to be hatred towards Mary IMP.

I never experienced this in 26 years as a Protestant and I have nknown alot of Protestants. Disagreeing with Catholics and objecting to people whose marian devotion looks alot like worship to a non-Catholic have a point. It is the Catholics job to explain something that seems strange to other Christians. Especially when many do cross the line into Mariolatry. I have seen it and it is rampant in some parts of the world.

Mary should be honored. But not doing it as Catholics do does not imply hate.

 

[RNRobert]

If Mary was free from original sin, she would not have suffered during the birth of her Son. The Women in Revelation 12 was in great pain she “cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Scott Hahn discussed this in his book Hail, Holy Queen:

Yet the anguish of the woman does not necessarily stand for physical labor pains. Elsewhere in the New Testament, Saint Paul uses the pain of childbirth as a metaphor for spiritual suffering, for suffering in general, or for the longing of the world as it waits for ultimate fulfillment (Gal 5:19; Rom 8:22. The anguish of the woman of the Apocalypse could represent the desire to bring Christ to the world; or it could represent the spiritual sufferings that were the price of Mary’s motherhood.

Regarding spiritual sufferings, remember what Simeon told Mary when Jesus was brought to the temple: “and you yourself a sword shall pierce so that the thoughts of many hearts shall be revealed” (Luke 2:35, NAB).

 

[julebenn]

She was preserved from Original Sin by the God. I believe she did suffer pain. Do you believe Jesus is sinless? Then was was he in pain?

Second, the book of Revelations contains both symbolic and literal meaning.

**Of Course Jesus did not sin… **
If God was capable of protecting Mary from sin, would He not be able to protect Jesus from sin? Therefore, Mary being sinless is neither necessary or Biblical.

Jesus Himself was miraculously protected from being polluted by sin while He was inside Mary’s womb who was Blessed was a sinner.

Jesus Christ is the only Person who was not “infected” by sin and never committed a sin (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:22; 1 John 3:5).

 

[Mannyfit75]

**Of Course Jesus did not sin… **
If God was capable of protecting Mary from sin, would He not be able to protect Jesus from sin? Therefore, Mary being sinless is neither necessary or Biblical.

Jesus Himself was miraculously protected from being polluted by sin while He was inside Mary’s womb who was Blessed was a sinner.

Jesus Christ is the only Person who was not “infected” by sin and never committed a sin (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:22; 1 John 3:5).

It’s your interpretation. The Mary was preserved from sin because she was to become the Mother of God, Jesus. I don’t think Jesus would have a sinful woman to be his mother.

Since Mary is the type of Ark of the Covenant. There is a distinct parallel between OT Ark and NT.

The Ark of the Old Testament
Mary - The New Testament
Ark of the New Covenant

The Word was written by God on Tablets of Stone (Ex 25:10) The Word became Flesh (John 1)
The Ark carried the Word of God (Deut 10:1) The Ark carried the Old Covenant. Mary carried the Word of God (Lk 2:38) Mary carried the New Covenant
David says “Who am I that the Ark of my Lord should come to me?” (2 Sam 6:9)
Elizabeth says “Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me” (Lk 1:43)
(Mary, was pregnant with Jesus)

When the Ark returned “David was leaping and dancing before the Lord” (2 Sam 6:14) The baby leaped for joy in Elizabeth’s womb when Mary came into Elizabeth’s presence carrying Jesus in her womb. (Lk 2 38)
There I have set the ark in which is the covenant of the Lord that he made with his people Israel (2Ch 6:11) Jesus is the new Covenant and he is in Mary’s womb, which makes Mary the ark of the New Covenant. Elizabeth’s husband Zachariah said "He has remembered his holy covenant (Lk 1:72) …The cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood (Lk 22:20)
Joshua summoned the twelve men from the Israelite, whom he had appointed, one from each tribe. Joshua said to them “Pass on before the ark of the Lord your God.” (Josh 4:4) There were 12 stones like the 12 stars in Rev… The ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; … 12 :1 A great portent appeared in heaven: a woman …and on her head a crown of twelve stars. (Rev 11:19) representing the tribes of Israel.
In Joshua Chapter 6, the Israelites circle Jerico with the Ark of the Covenant and blowing horns for seven days before their victory. In Revelation Chapter 8-11 before the introduction the Ark of the covenant (Chapter 12) the angels blow seven trumpets to herold the victory over Satan.
The Ark of the Lord is a blessing to the house (2 Sam 6:11) Mary goes into the hills and blesses Elizabeth’s house (Lk 2 38)
The Ark is captured (1 Sam 4:11) and brought to a foreign land and later returns (1 Sam 6:13) Mary is exiled to a foreign land (Egypt) and later returns (Mat 2:14)
The Ark disappears (Jer 3:16) never to return until the New Testament Revelation story The Ark reappears as a lady who bears a son who is seated at the right hand of God . Her children are Christians. (Rev 11:19)
It will not be like the covenant that I made…that they broke though I was their husband (Jer 31:31) The Holy spirit shall overshadow you; therefore the son to be born to you …will be called the Son of God (Lk 1:35) (The Holy Spirit was Mary’s spouse)

davidmacd.com/catholic/mary_in_the_bible.htm

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Originally Posted by julebenn
If Mary was free from original sin, she would not have suffered during the birth of her Son. The Women in Revelation 12 was in great pain she “cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Well, here is simple math.

God said that ‘pain in childbirth would be multiplied’. Not added to, but multiplied.

If you have <0> as your pain to start with, as you posit, julebenn, ordinary math tells us that anything multiplied by <0> still = <0>.

So obviously there was ‘some’ pain to start with. (I’m the mother of three, all vaginally delivered without epidurals, so this I know–short of narcotic analgesia or some kind of hypnosis or other extrinsic procedure, childbirth, normally, produces some pain as a natural corollary of its natural function–contractions delivering the infant down the birth canal and through the cervix to delivery.)

Now, we’re talking. Multiply even a small number <1> by doubling it = 2. Twice the small pain. Multiple a somewhat larger number, like 2, by 2 , and the pain goes to a 4.

The ‘sinlessness’ of a woman does not mean that she does not suffer natural consequences. Since the natural consequence of childbirth had been, not <0>, but some degree of pain, one could be perfectly sinless and still suffer that original pain.

 

[BrianH]

Manny
The title of this thread is offensive and I would like to thank all of the Catholics who agree we do not hate Mary. A couple of whack jobs can be quoted but you can find nut jobs, perverts, and so forth if one wants to look hard enough for them!
I bet you the Pope would not say this. I am glad he speaks for Catholicism and not people like this!

 

[water]

Manny
The title of this thread is offensive and I would like to thank all of the Catholics who agree we do not hate Mary. A couple of whack jobs can be quoted but you can find nut jobs, perverts, and so forth if one wants to look hard enough for them!
I bet you the Pope would not say this. I am glad he speaks for Catholicism and not people like this!

On one part, I am agreed with you that this can be offensive to many.

On the other part, I have to say how offended God and Virgin Mary feel when many many people downgrade the role of Virgin Mary - the one and only Woman who God chose to be His Mother".

How offensive can this get?

 

[BrianH]

On one part, I am agreed with you that this can be offensive to many.

On the other part, I have to say how offended God and Virgin Mary feel when many many people downgrade the role of Virgin Mary - the one and only Woman who God chose to be His Mother".

How offensive can this get?

That is not the point. One can argue about the role of Mary, heck, people are doing it on this thread. But you know that we do not hate her. You know that is not what the Pope would say. You know that is not what Catholicism teaches about Protestants. Manny’s personal interpretation is wrong and so few of you will say it.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Manny
The title of this thread is offensive and I would like to thank all of the Catholics who agree we do not hate Mary. A couple of whack jobs can be quoted but you can find nut jobs, perverts, and so forth if one wants to look hard enough for them!
I bet you the Pope would not say this. I am glad he speaks for Catholicism and not people like this!

It does doesn’t. The the view how I see how Protestant dishonor Mary. The Protestants are the only group of Christian who do not give her honor like the Catholics and Orthodox Christians.

Just because we honor her doesn’t make her equal to God. Some Protestants preceived Catholics that we gave her greater honor to God. No. It’s not taught by the teachings of the Church.

Yes we do honor, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and I find the lack of honor amongst Protestants as a way to distant themselves from the Catholic Church.

 

[perivitmihi]

Emmanuel,

You really seem to know what you are talking about when it comes to Mary. You know her and what the church has to say about her. Although I do agree with the many people that say that they have not met any Prot. that hate mary, it seems to me that you may not have ment that literally. I may be wrong but the question to me, not put in a so delicate manner, was why do Protestants not realize the amasing and God-given role that Mary has. I have heard many a protestant make fun of her, and that makes me mad. I am so blessed to have grown up in a religion that loves and cherishes the Mother of God to the fullest. I would not trade that for anything. Also I want to say to BrianH, that I understand what you mean but I think you are maybe getting too upset about this. I do not think that Emmanuel was trying to hurt anyones feelings. So settle it down.

Pax tecum,
Perivitmihi

 

[BrianH]

I do not think that Emmanuel was trying to hurt anyones feelings. So settle it down.

Feelings smeelings. Its about spreading lies.