Why do Protestant hate Mary?

[Tantum_ergo]

Well, even if there might be misunderstandings, I don’t think it is a question of spreading lies, do you?

Lies are deliberate untruths. A person may be honestly mistaken; he is not then a liar.

I am not sure that either Manny or Brian is mistaken in his position regarding how individual or even ‘group’ Protestants regard the Blessed Mother, because I can see that each might truly believe what he says and each could be correct without invalidating the other if he is properly understood; I am fairly sure that neither is a liar.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Emmanuel,

You really seem to know what you are talking about when it comes to Mary. You know her and what the church has to say about her. Although I do agree with the many people that say that they have not met any Prot. that hate mary, it seems to me that you may not have ment that literally. I may be wrong but the question to me, not put in a so delicate manner, was why do Protestants not realize the amasing and God-given role that Mary has. I have heard many a protestant make fun of her, and that makes me mad. I am so blessed to have grown up in a religion that loves and cherishes the Mother of God to the fullest. I would not trade that for anything. Also I want to say to BrianH, that I understand what you mean but I think you are maybe getting too upset about this. I do not think that Emmanuel was trying to hurt anyones feelings. So settle it down.

Pax tecum,
Perivitmihi

My opinions are my opinions and they are based on observation.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Feelings smeelings. Its about spreading lies.

What lies I am preaching? Is it true that most Protestants don’t honor Mary? How come they don’t feast have days to honor the saints and Mary?

How come they think that praying to Mary is idol worship? What is wrong with saying, “pray for us?”

I have not meet any Protestant mention Mary and her unique role to Jesus.

Why is Mary honored more in Catholic and Orthodox Churches than Protestants ones?

Why is it that the early Protestant Fathers honor her, but later on the century the mainstream Protestant reject basic Marian doctrines?

Am I spreading lies? I don’t think so. There is no honor in Mary in major Protestant institutions. Besides Protestant Churches have varies doctrines all their own and they aren’t united when it comes to doctrinal issues.

 

[water]

That is not the point. One can argue about the role of Mary, heck, people are doing it on this thread. But you know that we do not hate her. You know that is not what the Pope would say. You know that is not what Catholicism teaches about Protestants. Manny’s personal interpretation is wrong and so few of you will say it.

My point is when someone offends Virgin Mary, they don’t even know it or they don’t even care what come out of their mouth. But when someone says something to them that they don’t feel like it, they feel…soooo offended.

Sure, you don’t hate her, but some of you hate Catholics so much - what that implies?

Jesus said that what you did to others, you did to me. When one hates Catholic, who does he actually hates?

I wish some of you guys when coming to this board, study more about Catholics before jumping the guns on many topics and on many people without knowing much.

I am not making this up. You’ve been here long enough to eyewitness such people.

 

[Mannyfit75]

BrianH:

That is not the point. One can argue about the role of Mary, heck, people are doing it on this thread. But you know that we do not hate her. You know that is not what the Pope would say. You know that is not what Catholicism teaches about Protestants. Manny’s personal interpretation is wrong and so few of you will say it.

The issue I have a problem with is not the individual Protestant but the doctrine issues concerning Protestantism itself. To be Protestant, they are oppose to the Catholic Church, they oppose the Pope, Mary, and everything Catholic.

Protestant is about division. There is NO unity in Protestantism. Where else the Catholic Church is more unified because its doctrines are One. You may want to say, there are Catholics who disagree with the Church. For those Catholics, woe to them for they are far worst than Protestants.

The Catholic Mass in all the world are same. Same sacrifice same worship, and they are in union with the Pope.

You claim to Catholic and yet use contraception? So you are fornicate? Fornicators won’t inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

Protestantism doctrine is not the unified Church which Catholic Church represents.

Second, Jesus prayed that “we shall be one.” Where that in Protestantism? Division division division. There is no unification in Protestantism.

 

[Singinbeauty]

Wow, can we now agree that protestants get the anger and misunderstanding also? How do you get from protestants hating the way they may perceive catholic devotion to Mary and jump STRAIGHT to them hating her? My goodness! For shame… For shame indeed. I think you could have posed your question a little better but from other posts I have seen you do, Manny, it seems like you just want to ruffle feathers and get into fights with protestants. There is some anger there and you may want to address it rather than take it out on someone else. Forgive me if this isn’t the case because I do not want to make un-founded assumptions but if this is the way you come off then maybe you should change your approach.

As for the accusation of this thread. As a protestant I want to formally declair that neither I nor do other protestants that I know HATE Mary. She is wonderful, brave, and beautiful woman in my eyes. She did something that many of us women today would shy or run away from. She faced adversity and even possible death to carry out the Will of The Almighty. I am sure that God had Blessed her many times apon many times. And what an act of Love to make sure that she is taken care of after Jesus left this earth to be with God in Heaven! She is Blessed for she lived her life in close proximity to Jesus, my goodness, how wonderful would that have been! She talked with Him and she held Him. I can’t imagine a more Blessed life. And now she resides in Heaven with God and gets to talk to Him everytime she needs to face to face. I can’t wait for my turn!

 

[Mimi]

Manny
The title of this thread is offensive and I would like to thank all of the Catholics who agree we do not hate Mary. A couple of whack jobs can be quoted but you can find nut jobs, perverts, and so forth if one wants to look hard enough for them!
I bet you the Pope would not say this. I am glad he speaks for Catholicism and not people like this!

I agree; maybe the title was written a little hastily?
Perhaps the OP had an encounter that got his/her hackles up a bit. I know I get pretty irritated when someone insults my Mother!

However, having said that, my experience has been with one person - that person I thought was a good friend - was that the one time I mentioned Mary she reacted with distate, not hatered. I think she may have said that Jesus Mother could “have been any woman”. So I let it drop. But a week or so after that, she came by and I was sitting out on my porch enjoying the book by Scott Hahn, Hail Holy Queen with a nice head figure of Mary, and she said “What are you reading?”, so I held up the cover. You should have seen the fallen look on her face!

This has helped spur me on to getting well acquainted with Marian Doctrine and being ready to defend Holy Mother Church. I’m not quite there yet, but I think I could do fairly well unless some aggressive anti-Catholic came after me.

Another wonderful book is Refuting the Attack on Mary. I can look up the publisher and author if anyone would like; pm or email me for the info.

Peace and blessed Lent,
Mimi

 

[perivitmihi]

Emmanuel,

Once again you impress w/ your knowledge b/c most ppl do not realize this about contraception and if they do, they still don’t live by it. You seem to be a Conservative Catholic and that is awesome, we definately need more of them. I would rather see 1 Catholic that knows nothing but searches restlessly for the truth and then obeys that truth then 100 mediocre Catholics that know the truth and don’t obey it.

God bless you and Pax Christi,
Jacob

 

[Mannyfit75]

Wow, can we now agree that protestants get the anger and misunderstanding also? How do you get from protestants hating the way they may perceive catholic devotion to Mary and jump STRAIGHT to them hating her? My goodness! For shame… For shame indeed. I think you could have posed your question a little better but from other posts I have seen you do, Manny, it seems like you just want to ruffle feathers and get into fights with protestants. There is some anger there and you may want to address it rather than take it out on someone else. Forgive me if this isn’t the case because I do not want to make un-founded assumptions but if this is the way you come off then maybe you should change your approach.

As for the accusation of this thread. As a protestant I want to formally declair that neither I nor do other protestants that I know HATE Mary. She is wonderful, brave, and beautiful woman in my eyes. She did something that many of us women today would shy or run away from. She faced adversity and even possible death to carry out the Will of The Almighty. I am sure that God had Blessed her many times apon many times. And what an act of Love to make sure that she is taken care of after Jesus left this earth to be with God in Heaven! She is Blessed for she lived her life in close proximity to Jesus, my goodness, how wonderful would that have been! She talked with Him and she held Him. I can’t imagine a more Blessed life. And now she resides in Heaven with God and gets to talk to Him everytime she needs to face to face. I can’t wait for my turn!

Perhaps when we pass away you can talk about Mary and ask if everything about the Catholic Church is True, or ask Jesus Christ himself.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Emmanuel,

Once again you impress w/ your knowledge b/c most ppl do not realize this about contraception and if they do, they still don’t live by it. You seem to be a Conservative Catholic and that is awesome, we definately need more of them. I would rather see 1 Catholic that knows nothing but searches restlessly for the truth and then obeys that truth then 100 mediocre Catholics that know the truth and don’t obey it.

God bless you and Pax Christi,
Jacob

I don’t label myself conservative. I have views are maybe liberal concerning the sociel justice systems. For those Catholics who don’t practice their faith, we can only pray that they will be converted by the heart. Least should die in mortal sin… God forbid

 

[BrianH]

Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity

Methodist-Catholic Dialogues Thirty Years of Mission and Witness

Copyright © 2001, United States Catholic Conference, Inc.
and General Commission on Christian Unity and
Interreligious Concerns of The United Methodist Church.

“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age” (Mt 28:19-20). All Christians—United Methodists and Roman Catholics among them—are called to follow Christ; to bring his message of salvation, peace, and justice to the world; and to heal the divisions in the world and in the Church.

As Catholics and Methodists have worked together in mission and ministry in the United States and across the globe, we are empowered by the Holy Spirit. We are called by the Spirit to conversion, to a change of heart. This conversion is first of all to Christ and his community, the Church. However, this calling to mission also calls us to unity among our divided churches.

As Catholics and United Methodists we have been in common mission together for many years, in local situations across the land and on regional, national, and global levels. To help our people to come to know one another better and to begin the ecumenical journey of conversion we have recently published Yearning to Be One: Spiritual Dialogue Between Catholics and United Methodists. We hope that resource will stimulate local groups to bring members of our churches and other Christians into face-to-face conversation and to a zeal for the unity of the Church.

Bishop William Boyd Grove, The United Methodist Church
Ecumenical Officer of the Council of Bishops

Bishop William Skylstad, National Conference of Catholic Bishops
Bishops’ Committee on Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs

Introduction

Christian churches are called by Christ to stand together in mission to the world and to join with Christ in the prayer “that they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me” (Jn 17:21). Since 1966 Methodists and Catholics have taken up this mandate in a variety of contexts in the United States and around the globe.

In almost any ecumenical structure in which Catholics and Methodists participate, they provide unique leadership because of their numbers, their ability to exercise leadership in all of their congregations, and the mutual accountability of their ministers. This does not mean that Methodists or Catholics are without their own internal tensions that intrude into the ecumenical setting. However, Methodists and Catholics recognize that by their baptism, their confession of the Christian faith as attested in the Scriptures, and their common calling to mission, what binds them together is far greater than what divides them.

To further the gospel call toward greater visible unity, official dialogues have been commissioned for more than thirty years: in the United States between The United Methodist Church and the National Conference of Catholic Bishops; and on a global level, through the World Methodist Council and the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity for the Catholic Church. (Both traditions have also participated in numerous faith and order commissions across the world.) This brief overview of the dialogues is a contribution to the other dimensions of ecumenical life: social witness, common evangelism, spiritual renewal, and collaborative efforts in the local community. After this introduction, we will survey the history of the dialogues on the global and U.S. levels and provide a summary of the issues of faith discussed.

Central to our ecumenical quest is a conversion of spirit to Christ, to Christ’s call to be a member of the Church, and to Christ’s prayer for the unity of the Church. This conversion entails getting to know and appreciate one another and one another’s churches, recognizing the challenges to unity and attempting to resolve them. The dialogues are an occasion to appreciate the gifts of our traditions. We also seek to identify differences of conviction and to resolve them in truth.

Catholics and Methodists never divided from one another. Rather, the followers of John Wesley continued his mission of biblical and ecclesial renewal. In the United States, the followers adapted to the frontier by envisioning a form of Church and message best suited for “spread[ing] scriptural holiness over the land.”

Methodists and Catholics have worked together for thirty years (and Methodists for seventy years with the full array of Orthodox, Protestant, and Anglican churches) to articulate a basis for Christian unity in the context of a movement of theological dialogue called “Faith and Order.” Among the results of these dialogues is a vision of what is necessary for a united Church.

 

[Singinbeauty]

Perhaps when we pass away you can talk about Mary and ask if everything about the Catholic Church is True, or ask Jesus Christ himself.

The truth of the Catholic Church is not a question in my mind. It is not the path for me. I won’t have to talk ABOUT Mary as I will be able to converse with her face to face. And the only thing I believe I will be able to get out of my mouth when Jesus comes to speak with me is ‘duh, duh, duh… Ummmm…’ Yeah, I will be speechless!

 

[Mannyfit75]

BrianH:
Good document. Do all maintain Protestant leaders, or Methodist ministers are aware of this document?

 

[BrianH]

Mannyfit’s view, NOT A DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE POPE, VATICAN II OR THE CATECHISM
His personal interpretation of Catholicism.

To be Protestant, they are oppose to the Catholic Church, they oppose the Pope, Mary, and everything Catholic.

Protestant is about division. There is NO unity in Protestantism. Where else the Catholic Church is more unified because its doctrines are One. The Catholic Mass in all the world are same. Same sacrifice same worship, and they are in union with the Pope.

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Protestantism doctrine is not the unified Church which Catholic Church represents.

Second, Jesus prayed that “we shall be one.” Where that in Protestantism? Division division division. There is no unification in Protestantism.

 

[Mannyfit75]

???

What?

You wrote;

Singinbeauty:

I can’t imagine a more Blessed life. And now she resides in Heaven with God and gets to talk to Him everytime she needs to face to face. I can’t wait for my turn!

When its your turn to pass to the next life, maybe you can ask Jesus or Mary, whether or not the Catholic Church concerning Mary is false.

 

[Singinbeauty]

You wrote;

When its your turn to pass to the next life, maybe you can ask Jesus or Mary, whether or not the Catholic Church concerning Mary is false.

You know, I don’t even think that will be on my list of things to ask because by that time I will already know the answer. I have an inkling that the question of whether protestant or catholic is the way to go will be so trivial once in Heaven that thought will fly right out of my mind…

 

[Mannyfit75]

Mannyfit’s view, NOT A DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE POPE, VATICAN II OR THE CATECHISM
His personal interpretation of Catholicism.

It’s my view on Protestantism not Catholicism.

What is said in the Catechism of the Catholic Church is pretty clear. It calls for Christian unity and to set aside difference and focus more issues that unites us.

 

[BrianH]

It has been said that one should not judge Catholicism based upon those who do not follow its teachings. In this case, the rantings of someone who does not believe what his own church teaches will be ignored. I’m out.

 

[Mannyfit75]

This thread has often several Non-Catholic Christians become oftended. It was not intend to offend, but to give some insist about the Protestant doctrines. It’s not meant to target individual Protestants, because they were indoctrinated in a faith completely in oppose to the teachings of th Catholic Church, such as the doctrine of Sola Scriptura and Sola Fidi.

In many conversation I had with Protestant (in Evangelical views), they remarks t Mary downgrade her.

They don’t even acknowledge her as Queen of Heaven, and view it as Pagan in origin.

We Catholics give our interpretation how she is the Queen of Heaven. The answer is Jesus Christ’s Kingship. Jesus inherited the Kingdom from David. In the Davidic Kingdom, Jewish Kings have their mothers as Queens.

Still despite our Scripture defense for Mary. Protestants, its misinterpreted. It doesn’t sense. We use Revelation 12 to prove that she is the Queen, and Protestants still disagree with us.

It’s not the Protestants own fault that they find these interpretation unacceptible. They were raised that way. Protestants had been around since the 1517 while Catholic Church has been there since the beginning of Christianity.

I think the unificiation is only possible if everyone convert to Catholic Church. There are no other Churches that is more unified.

Protestants will find this hard to accept, and because of their heart they can’t accept the Pope’s Authority in moral and faith… and other major doctrinal issues.

Is Christianity possible? yes, only if they convert. However, Protestants who are strong of their faith will not convert. They believe they are taught the truth teachings of Jesus Christ.

Lastly, since this thread does often the Protestants, I am sorry. I am condemning the Doctrine of Protestantism because it leads to division.

 

[Efrain]

I think Reformers fail to recognize that true Marian devotion only brings us closer to Jesus. We as Catholics are able to see the humanity of God incarnate when we honor our blessed Mother. We honor our Mother because Jesus Himself honered His Mother first. Lk 2:51 our Lord Jesus was obedient to Mary. Principalities and powers are subject to our God almighty and yet Jesus was obedient to His biological Mother! If Mary is the mother of God and Jesus is the head of the church, then isn’t she the Mother of the Church? We also have to remember that she always leads us to her Son Jn 2:5.