Why do protestants regard our Gospel as different from theirs?

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You’re right - as was every one of my teachers - I need to pay better attention. I was just curious. Carry on.
 
Sounds like you don’t deny it. It’s considered polite to answer questions in a discussion. I believe I’ve always answered yours.
 
po18guy said:
Catholics and Orthodox willingly obey central Church authority. Bible Christians obey the self or their pastors
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This isn’t factual. Protestants may get advice from a pastor but they do not obey them. If a Protestant obeys themselves that is humanism. The central authority in Protestantism is God ie God’s Word vs the central authority of Catholicism is the Church ie Pope, bishops etc…
 
Ah, but IMO, the BIG LIE is that the scriptures somehow speak for themselves! Are the scriptures then worthless, or evil, since all they do is the devil’s work of division? Impossible - but there is more to the story.

Nehemiah 8:5-8, 2 Peter 3:15-16. Scripture needs authoritative interpretation. Always has and always will.
 
You’re the Calvinist. Why are Protestants so hesitant to define their own doctrines? Is it because you know that they don’t align with Scripture?
 
I was simply pointing out factual things, I don’t think this is a debate thread.
 
Oh. It seems that your facts are the rest of the world’s opinions. Start the umpteenth million thread if you want.
 
De_Maria said:
Why are Protestants so hesitant to define their own doctrines? Is it because you know that they don’t align with Scripture?
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Nah - I just ran out of motivation tonight I suppose. Should’ve just let it lie. And with that, I shall retire. Good night.
 
Perhaps you’re not understanding. I’m simply stating Pastors, nor anyone else in Protestantism, has the same kind of authority as the clergy in Catholicism. To which you started speaking about your opinion that scriptures speak for themselves can’t be true etc…

It’s not my opinion regarding authority in Protestantism, it’s factual.
 
Senyorico said:
What makes us different and what makes us right? Please cite sources if there’s any. Thank you and God Bless!
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God established the Catholic Church. It’s been here in writing for 2000 years. Resources are voluminous

. God didn’t start Protestantism. It’s absolutely contrary to His prayer of unity HERE. So They have to try and justify their very existence by arguing against Our Lord’s Church that He established…
 
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I thought you might like to see Wikipedia’s usual gobbledygook when it comes to anything Catholic.

“Prevenient grace
…is a Christian theological concept rooted in Arminian theology, though it appeared earlier in Catholic theology. It is divine grace that precedes human decision. In other words, God will start showing love to that individual at a certain point in his lifetime.”

Wouldn’t you think the term is rooted in Catholicism if it appeared earlier in our theology? Unreal, but so typical for “Wackypedia.”
 
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@De_Maria Post 48

I thought you might like to see Wikipedia’s usual gobbledygook when it comes to anything Catholic.

“Prevenient grace
…is a Christian theological concept rooted in Arminian theology, though it appeared earlier in Catholic theology. It is divine grace that precedes human decision. In other words, God will start showing love to that individual at a certain point in his lifetime.”

Wouldn’t you think the term is rooted in Catholicism if it appeared earlier in our theology? Unreal, but so typical for “Wackypedia.”
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Ever see their disclaimer

It’s why I personally, won’t use them.
 
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De_Maria said:
As I remember it, you claimed that men could not keep the Ten Commandments before they are justified in Baptism. Romans 2:13 says that men must keep the Law, which is another way of saying the Ten Commandments, before God justifies them.
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And this is where the question comes up. Even Trent, in chap 6 and Canon 18 of session 6, appears vague as to whether or not a person can keep the commandments, can be righteouss IOW, before they are justified. Since, as we know, the law cannot justify us, it cannot give us justice, cannot make us virtuous or righteous, cannot change us interiorly or give us “the strength, the grace of the Spirit, to fulfill it.” (CCC1963)
 
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fhansen said:
And this is where the question comes up. Even Trent, in chap 6
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Trent Chapter VI says we are moved by God’s grace to seek justification. This means that we can keep the Commandments before justification with the help of God’s grace. In fact, we must.

" to wit, by that penitence which must be performed before baptism"
and Canon 18 of session 6, appears vague as to whether or not a person can keep the commandments, can be righteouss IOW, before they are justified.
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That says just the opposite:
CANON XVIII.-If any one saith, that the commandments of God are, even for one that is justified and constituted in grace, impossible to keep; let him be anathema.

It says all men, whether justified or not, can keep the Commandments. If anyone says that isn’t true, they are anathema.
Since, as we know, the law cannot justify us, it cannot give us justice, cannot make us virtuous or righteous, cannot change us interiorly or give us “the strength, the grace of the Spirit, to fulfill it.” (CCC1963)
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That doesn’t say we can’t keep the Law. So, what’s your point in posting that part?
 
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