Why do Protestants stay Protestant

[sadie2723]

Eden:

I’m more Irish than Scottish, myself. Actually mostly English and Irish and a little bit of Scottish from my maternal grandfather thrown in.

What was the topic of this thread again?

Well put! Still, I have to say that my Irish heritage did have a bit to do with my conversion to the Catholic faith. We had been protestant for about five generations, but I have taken us back to our Irish roots!

So there you go, we are back on topic!

 

[hilde_the_dog]

Sadie

I never really met a Catholic until I moved to DC from MI. 22 years of ignorance. There were no Catholic churches in my home town.

Well now I’m Catholic 15 years after moving to dc.

 

[Eden]

sadie2723:

So there you go, we are back on topic!

(Shhh… Way back when, the Scottish were Catholic too. Then some guy named John Knox came along… )

 

[sadie2723]

hilde the dog:

Sadie

I never really met a Catholic until I moved to DC from MI. 22 years of ignorance. There were no Catholic churches in my home town.

Well now I’m Catholic 15 years after moving to dc.

The National Basillica does have a certain…calling…doesn’t it! Welcome Home!

 

[ScottH]

(Shhh… Way back when, the Scottish were Catholic too. Then some guy named John Knox came along… )

Well, i came to Roman Catholicism from the “church that John Knox started”…

I think even Knox himself is rolling over in his grave as the Presbyterian Church slides further into *“Universalism” *and fosters more ties with the “Jesus Seminar” heretics.

 

[Celtic_Son]

I’m mostly Scottish and Native American , with a hint of the Irish on my Dad’s side. Mother 's side is Scottish. on my mom’s side there were lots of the church that john knox started.

 

[allischalmers]

Because we know better

forever Baptist
allischalmers

 

[RyanL]

allischalmers:

Because we know better

forever Baptist
allischalmers

Really? I mean…Really? If you all simply “know better”, why can’t you agree on anything except that you’re definitely not Catholic?

God Bless,
RyanL

 

[Alfie]

sadie2723:

I am pulling this off another similar thread that I have been enjoying a lot. It was called Why do Protestants become Catholic. Well, I am interested in the other side of things. Why do Protestants not convert?

Let’s get it on!

I see no other alternative but Protestantism. It is not perfect because people are not perfect. The point is that all Catholics ever talk about is the church, church, church. To bad, you do not have that same passion for Jesus. The Bible talks about having a form of godliness but denying the power. I am not into denying the power; I am into Jesus. Rather than use the term Protestant, I would prefer to be known as a believer, a “King’s Kid” or a “Child of the Most High.” Protestant is just a word it does not denote a personal relationship with Jesus. I am grateful for a Savior who took my place on the cross and who has saved me from my sins. I did not deserve that from him, but he went to the cross anyway. What else do you want? Catholicism is about drama not Jesus.

Why is it that Charismatic Catholics are different from traditional Catholics? I believe that there are some Catholics that are saved. Most of them are Charismatic not traditional. Catholics started reading their Bibles about thirty or forty years ago and the Holy Spirit started moving upon them. Those are the Charismatic. Why would that happen from reading the Bible? I have been to Charismatic services and I felt as if I were in a Pentecostal church not Catholic. They would have a sermon similar to a Protestant one and speak in tongues. Everything was fine until at the end of the service when they would start with the mother Mary stuff. I always left because it gave me the hebe jeebies. My question would be….why would God raise up the Charismatic movement in the church when it seems to be closer to Protestantism. I see a difference between Charismatics and traditional. There is a joy in them that I do not see in the traditional, but they retain bondage from the church. I know of several Charismatics that completely left the church to become Pentecostals once they got past the mother Mary stuff.

 

[Nicene]

The point is that all Catholics ever talk about is the church, church, church. To bad, you do not have that same passion for Jesus.

The church is the bride of Christ, and people want to be the bride because they know Jesus does not have a harem, nor does he engage in personal affairs.

The Bible talks about having a form of godliness but denying the power. I am not into denying the power;

Sure you deny the power. You deny the power Christ gave to forgive to the apostles and make a presumption upon his mercy. What does Paul say about those who make a presumption of mercy?

Protestant is just a word it does not denote a personal relationship with Jesus.

It doesn’t get more personal than the eucharist, but you deny that power as well. Not very personal.

I am grateful for a Savior who took my place on the cross and who has saved me from my sins.

You were supposed to be crucified?

Catholicism is about drama not Jesus.

This definately tells me you have no relationship with Jesus. You don’t get more drama than from evangelicals/pentecostals/charismatics who jump around making silly noises as the Baal worshipers did and pretending it is “speaking in tongues” That gives me the real heebie jeebies.

Why is it that Charismatic Catholics are different from traditional Catholics? I believe that there are some Catholics that are saved. Most of them are Charismatic not traditional.

This tells me you have no relationship with him at all. If you knew him you would know that being saved is not a one time deal. You aren’t saved until Jesus says so at your judgement. You can always fall away. Then again I have met very few evangelicals that do what Christ said and “follow me” They don’t do the will of the Father because it isn’t necesary for they are already “saved”
Only the evil one would sell that doctrine. The one phrase that is a tip off is the “I believe that”
See it doesn’t matter what you believe, it matters what Christ told us. As well I don’t remember Jesus giving you the authority who is saved and who is not, that belongs to Him.

Catholics started reading their Bibles about thirty or forty years ago and the Holy Spirit started moving upon them. Those are the Charismatic.

The Holy Spirit does not proceed from the bible. He proceeds from the Father and the Son. What you just described is bible worship. The bible is not God. Catholics started reading the bible 30-40 years ago? Oh please, I can’t tell you how ignorant that statement is. Again it tells me you don’t know Christ. As well as a reminder from Jesus Himself

**Jn 5:9: You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me; **

That pretty much sums up the evangelical. Never met people more ignorant of the bible in my life than evangelical/pentecostal/charismatic, carried around like a prop pretending to be pious. (Again phylacteries and tassels)

cont.

 

[Nicene]

Why would that happen from reading the Bible? I have been to Charismatic services and I felt as if I were in a Pentecostal church not Catholic.

Jesus always said there would be weeds in the church along with the wheat. They don’t know our Lord very well dancing around and screaming going against Scripture like that (Corinthians & Peter: sober prayer). Emotionalism isn’t knowing Jesus, it is self gratification which has no place in the kingdom.

They would have a sermon similar to a Protestant one and speak in tongues.

Never met an authentic one yet, still waiting for a translateion from my link to “hugala bugala” at the charismatic melee (can’t call that a service or even worship, felt like the occult, gives me the willies)

Everything was fine until at the end of the service when they would start with the mother Mary stuff. I always left because it gave me the hebe jeebies.

Of course if you read the bible you would know what Jesus thought of his Mother, but to evangelicals they are just words on a page, unable to discern. The really interesting thing is that all generations will call her blessed, with the exception of Evangelicals. It will be interesting to see what Jesus thinks about that in the end and those who do not honor his mother and their mother.

My question would be….why would God raise up the Charismatic movement in the church when it seems to be closer to Protestantism. I see a difference between Charismatics and traditional.

God didn’t raise it up, men did. There is charismatic which is real, those who love and pray to Christ, read his word every day and speak to everyone about it. Then there is the evil that has attacked the church from without and within that pretends to speak in tongues etc, that is not of God.

There is a joy in them that I do not see in the traditional, but they retain bondage from the church. I know of several Charismatics that completely left the church to become Pentecostals once they got past the mother Mary stuff.

And they need to be prayed for. Anyone who thinks the commands of Christ are bondage doesn’t know Him, they are lost sheep trying to enter in over the fence instead of through the gate, The road is narrow and the way hard but his yoke is easy, unless of course like the evangelical/pentecostal/charismatic who threw off the yoke instead of letting Christ be the driver. No one ever said Ox were smart. They tend to be blown by the wind of every new doctrine that comes along.

Interestingly enough for people who say they read the bible, they parrot each other quite a bit and have no idea as to it’s contents. Pretty much walking around with phylacteries and tassels but having, quoting words but not understanding them at all.

In most cases I am not sure they are christian at all, though some have a chance of salvation.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene

 

[Church_Militant]

Alfie:

I see no other alternative but Protestantism. It is not perfect because people are not perfect.

Oh well…but that doesn’t make you or the rest of “protestantism” right in what they believe and teach.

The point is that all Catholics ever talk about is the church, church, church. To bad, you do not have that same passion for Jesus. The Bible talks about having a form of godliness but denying the power. I am not into denying the power; I am into Jesus.

This remark is nothing but more of your usual a-C rhetioric Alfie, and I find it offensive and insulting, as well as patently untrue. Firstly you are on a Catholic forum and you have yet to even act like you are interested in engaging any of us in a discusssion of Jesus, but you have spent almost every one of your posts talking to us about “church, church, church” and displaying a miserable lack of real knowledge of what we believe, all the while telling us again and again that what we believe is wrong. You even deny the testimony of Catholics, (my own in particular).

I find it offensive that you attempt to imply that 2nd Timothy 3:5 might apply to Catholics. That’s ludicrous, since I could cite a metric TON of ways in which we express our love for Our Lord. I wouldn’t trade a single Mass for all the n-C “Christian” services ever held and far from your assertion to the contrary I will simply point out the miracle of the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist that we share in at every Mass. Scriptural to the Nth degree, and yet rejected by N-Cs (like you). If that isn’t a blatant case of “Having an appearance indeed of godliness, but denying the power thereof.” I can’t think of a better example.

Rather than use the term Protestant, I would prefer to be known as a believer, a “King’s Kid” or a “Child of the Most High.” Protestant is just a word it does not denote a personal relationship with Jesus.

I prefer to be called by the same name that the early church clearly called itself and still does. Catholic!
"CHAP. VIII.–LET NOTHING BE DONE WITHOUT THE BISHOP.

See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out[through their office] the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper(18) Eucharist, which is[administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.

** I am grateful for a Savior who took my place on the cross and who has saved me from my sins. I did not deserve that from him, but he went to the cross anyway. What else do you want?**

Catholicism is about drama not Jesus. So are Catholics and we’d agree with the bolded statement. Your last line is nothing but an anti-Catholic cheapshot. Catholics are not the ones feeding on the emotional highs and all the shouting “drama” of n-C services. (My apologies to those of you who have reverent worship. This certainly does not apply to you in any way. Praise God for you!)

Why is it that Charismatic Catholics are different from traditional Catholics?

Because they are not traditional Catholics, though many many many of them are indeed traditional in their beliefs.

I believe that there are some Catholics that are saved.

I’m sure God is grateful for your approval of His servants and will surely consult you at the last day.

Most of them are Charismatic not traditional. Catholics started reading their Bibles about thirty or forty years ago and the Holy Spirit started moving upon them.

Those are the Charismatic. Why would that happen from reading the Bible?More of your a-C rhetoric and terribly untrue. Though perhaps not “traditional” in some people’s sense, I have found that the Charismatic Catholics where I am are every bit as “orthodox” (which is the correct term, not 'traditional") as I am in their beliefs. You can attempt to portray Charismatic Catholics as (God Forbid) “Pentecostals”, but ask 'em what they believe about the Eucharist, Reconcilliation, Holy Orders, Matrimony, Baptism, Confirmation, Papal Infallibility, The Sacrament of the Sick, The Canon of Scripture, The intercession of Saints, and all things Catholic and you’ll be horrified to discover that they are Catholics through and through, yet they plainly have experienced the same gifts of the Holy Spirit that you seem to hold so dear! So what does THAT tell you Alfie?!!!
(Cont’d)

 

[AquinasXVI]

Alfie:

I see no other alternative but Protestantism.

Dominum ut videam!!!

May God grant you illumination so that you do not inadvertently offend Christ in denying his presence in the Holy Eucharist.

Alfie, read brother. You are still protesting what you do not understand. My guess is most of what you know of the Catholic church came from your pastor.

in XT.

 

[Nicene]

They would have a sermon similar to a Protestant one and speak in tongues. Everything was fine until at the end of the service when they would start with the mother Mary stuff.

Just thought I would call you on this. It tells me immediately that you are lying and have never been to a catholic mass.

A. The Hail Mary is never said at Mass
B. After the sermon is the Profession of Faith and the Eucharistic Liturgy, Neither of which would ever be skipped to allow people to “speak in tongues”
C. The concluding rite blessing from the priest over the congregation. Followed by “Go in peace to love and serve the Lord”

According to Christ from whom does lying emanate from? Does this break any of the 10 commandments? Which one?

Peace and God Bless
Nicene

 

[Church_Militant]

Your assertion that Catholics only began to read the Word of God 30 or 40 years ago is total bunk. My sainted Grandmother knew the Word of God better than any n-C I’ve ever met, and (Glory Be To God!) her grandson (me) knows it better than most of the n-Cs he encounters as well. Read it?! We LOVE it…always have…always will! All 73 books of the Word of God!

I have been to Charismatic services and I felt as if I were in a Pentecostal church not Catholic. They would have a sermon similar to a Protestant one and speak in tongues.

If that’s a Mass then you better pray to God that their bishop doesn’t get wind of it, because that would be seriously messed up.

If that is, (as I suspect) the typical Charismatic prayer service then that is all well and good.

The really bad news for you Alfie is that they have already demonstrated that they are spirit filled believers and you can’t deny that, so what they are into cannot be sinful or wrong. But you won’t see it that way…

Everything was fine until at the end of the service when they would start with the mother Mary stuff. I always left because it gave me the hebe jeebies.

Yeah yeah yeah… you’re scared of Mom.

My question would be….why would God raise up the Charismatic movement in the church when it seems to be closer to Protestantism.

Worst question that you could ever have asked Alfie! Why? 1) It’s NOT closer to “protestantism”, as I pointed out earlier, they are orthodox in their Catholic beliefs. Ask 'em!
2) No one seems to have twigged to this idea yet from either Catholic or n-C groups yet, but I KNOW why the Charismatics came into being. It’s God’s witness to n-Cs that they need to be Catholic.

I see a difference between Charismatics and traditional. There is a joy in them that I do not see in the traditional, but they retain bondage from the church.

Bondage? What a-C bunk. Why don’t you shake off the bondage that you have to anti-Catholic rhetoric!? There is no joy in them but they retain bondage.

I know of several Charismatics that completely left the church to become Pentecostals once they got past the mother Mary stuff.

Catholics can be decieved too… I know I was.
My story…
Pax tecum,

 

[Church_Militant]

AquinasXVI:

Dominum ut videam!!!

May God grant you illumination so that you do not inadvertently offend Christ in denying his presence in the Holy Eucharist.
**
Alfie, read brother.**

You are still protesting what you do not understand. My guess is most of what you know of the Catholic church came from your pastor.

in XT.Alfie’s a female of the species, despite the name.

 

[Batjacboy]

Church Militant:

Catholics can be decieved too… I know I was.
My story…
Pax tecum,

Wow!! Great story, Michael. Thanks for sharing that.

Alfie, please read Michael’s story–it may answer some questions you might be having.

 

[Church_Militant]

Batjacboy:

Wow!! Great story, Michael. Thanks for sharing that.

Alfie, please read Michael’s story–it may answer some questions you might be having.

She has and thinks I’m lying, as per her PMs to me, but I honestly had to stop in order to type my answer to her and I don’t take offense at that.

It’s just totally beyond her how anyone who loves God and reads God’s word could be a Catholic. we just can’t be saved…or right about our doctrine, we’re Catholics. She also doesn’t really know much about what we believe…but she knows what she’s been told we believe by some n-Cs who have fed her an awful lot of anti-Catholic junk. Unfortunately…she believes that.
Pax tecum,

 

[JesusHasMyHeart]

Nicene:

The church is the bride of Christ, and people want to be the bride because they know Jesus does not have a harem, nor does he engage in personal affairs.

Sure you deny the power. You deny the power Christ gave to forgive to the apostles and make a presumption upon his mercy. What does Paul say about those who make a presumption of mercy?

It doesn’t get more personal than the eucharist, but you deny that power as well. Not very personal.

You were supposed to be crucified?

This definately tells me you have no relationship with Jesus. You don’t get more drama than from evangelicals/pentecostals/charismatics who jump around making silly noises as the Baal worshipers did and pretending it is “speaking in tongues” That gives me the real heebie jeebies.

This tells me you have no relationship with him at all. If you knew him you would know that being saved is not a one time deal. You aren’t saved until Jesus says so at your judgement. You can always fall away. Then again I have met very few evangelicals that do what Christ said and “follow me” They don’t do the will of the Father because it isn’t necesary for they are already “saved”
Only the evil one would sell that doctrine. The one phrase that is a tip off is the “I believe that”
See it doesn’t matter what you believe, it matters what Christ told us. As well I don’t remember Jesus giving you the authority who is saved and who is not, that belongs to Him.

The Holy Spirit does not proceed from the bible. He proceeds from the Father and the Son. What you just described is bible worship. The bible is not God. Catholics started reading the bible 30-40 years ago? Oh please, I can’t tell you how ignorant that statement is. Again it tells me you don’t know Christ. As well as a reminder from Jesus Himself

That pretty much sums up the evangelical. Never met people more ignorant of the bible in my life than evangelical/pentecostal/charismatic, carried around like a prop pretending to be pious. (Again phylacteries and tassels)

I never seen such hateful and bigotted words against a believer and reading the word of God, wow Nicene, is that what Jesus would do ? I thought love was the command He gave us.
To be honest with you, we are never encouraged to read our bibles, but protestants are.

Maybe you should read 1 Corinthians 13
Though you think you bestow all knowledge but have not love…
you are nothing.

1 John 1:9
He that says he is in the light, and hates his brother is in darkness, even until now.
1 John 4:6-9

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

JesusHasMyHeart

Your post is hard to understand, I dont know where your thoughts begin and where Nicene’s ended but is this your comment:

To be honest with you, we are never encouraged to read our bibles, but protestants are.

Are you serious on this remark? I wasnt in RCIA but five minutes before the leader pulled out a Bible and told us to read from it daily. Our class was even given a Bible. I have never gotten the impression that we are not encourage to read the bible.

Like I said however your post is hard to read since the qoute feature didnt work so if this is not what you meant I apologize.