Why do the " Bad Boys" get so many women?

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For the third time now, I neither said nor implied any of these “insidious” things you are attributing to me.

I implore you to stop “reading between the lines” and just look at what I actually say. I don’t have time now, but I’ll PM you soon, as I have more I’d like to say, but I don’t want to extend the tangent in this thread.
And I’m trying to tell *you…*I’m not reading intent into what you’re saying. I don’t think you mean any harm. I don’t think you’re trying to make anyone into an anorexic. I’m trying to explain that you’re really and quite seriously off-base on how the emotional life of girls works and what kind of advice helps them.

I am saying this: Do not ever ever tell a shy or less-dominant girl or even a girl who wants to rise in the social ranks of the circle she is in that what she needs to do is “exercise physically a lot” or to “lay off fatty foods” or to “try to exercise leadership skills.” Just please do not say things like that.

I cannot believe you are arguing about this. If you ever say something like that to a real person and it doesn’t hurt the girl, it is very likely that it is going to wind up being a painful experience for you. I’m done with the subject, but consider yourself warned.
 
I am saying this: Do not ever ever tell a shy or less-dominant girl or even a girl who wants to rise in the social ranks of the circle she is in that what she needs to do is “exercise physically a lot” or to “lay off fatty foods” or to “try to exercise leadership skills.” Just please do not say things like that.
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writes the above down

So uh… what would you suggest? I mean I actually agree somewhat with what you say but I want to make sure that my own alternative doesn’t have the same results.
 
I don’t know where I can stand on, but this is what I do know. I do know that God wants to put us with God fearing women or men, because if we don’t have somebody who is God fearing, what will happen is satan will use them to draw us away from our faith and God; happened to King Solomon, and God doesn’t want that to happen to us. That’s why I always ask if a women puts God first, if not bye. I don’t care how hott you are, God comes first.
I agree that God wants us with fellow God-fearing people as spouses, but that does not necessarily mean that there is one and only one set aside for us from the beginning of time. There are (I hope) many God-fearing people out there, but the trick is trying to find them and convince them to choose a fellow God-fearer instead of turning their back on their own in order to choose someone who does not fear God (have fun diagramming this sentence!). If anything, that probably sums up the frustrations of many.
 
And I’m trying to tell *you…*I’m not reading intent into what you’re saying. I don’t think you mean any harm. I don’t think you’re trying to make anyone into an anorexic. I’m trying to explain that you’re really and quite seriously off-base on how the emotional life of girls works and what kind of advice helps them.

I am saying this: Do not ever ever tell a shy or less-dominant girl or even a girl who wants to rise in the social ranks of the circle she is in that what she needs to do is “exercise physically a lot” or to “lay off fatty foods” or to “try to exercise leadership skills.” Just please do not say things like that.

I cannot believe you are arguing about this. If you ever say something like that to a real person and it doesn’t hurt the girl, it is very likely that it is going to wind up being a painful experience for you. I’m done with the subject, but consider yourself warned.
I’m sorry I have been busy, but as I said before: private message incoming soon; please just respond to me there if you don’t mind.
 
Indeed. Is it too much to wish for a wife who doesn’t:

a). Nag my brains out
b). Criticize me instead of having confidence in me
c). Talk too much
d). Assert herself needlessly
e). Give into the egotistical trends of Generation Me
Yes.🙂
 
I have a good Catholic man who is informed about his faith. He was involved with Frassati Ministries here and this helped shape his views on women and issues facing young people in modern society.

Bad boys don’t interest me or any of my friends who happen to be single.
 
Please tell me you’re joking. Please. >_<
Sort of. They exist, but it is hard. I haven’t met many, but I’m not a very good example to use. By the way, it’s hard for the few good women to find a decent guy they like too.

Pro-tip: If the lady/girl watched Oprah or likes Dr. Phil, run. Run very fast. The odds that she’s not a progressive are very low. Same goes for The View or The Five.

And just to throw out another bit of wisdom from the real men manual, there is nothing more annoying than sitting in a restaurant and having a gaggle of women grab the table nearby. You will not be able to enjoy your meal with all the squabbling and loud yips and outbursts from that table. Call it sexist or not but real men know it is the truth.

My tip for any ladies is to bring a brother or dependable male friend along on one or more of your “dates” with a guy. Men can read other men in less than a few minutes. You’ll know if the guy is okay or squirrel central. Women, on the other hand, are far more difficult to read.
 
Pro-tip: If the lady/girl watched Oprah or likes Dr. Phil, run. Run very fast. The odds that she’s not a progressive are very low. Same goes for The View or The Five.
No need to tell me twice. 😛
You will not be able to enjoy your meal with all the squabbling and loud yips and outbursts from that table. Call it sexist or not but real men know it is the truth.
Real men only? I’d have to say that I’ve met women who don’t like squabblers either. XD
 
well im not having sex with an ugly toad or anyone i decide i’m not sexually attracted to. That to me is disgusting.

and a guy who tries to convince me to have sex with him in spite of this is in the wrong if he tries to force, coerce, or convince me otherwise. it would be morally and ethically wrong for a parent to expect their child to have sex with someone they are not attracted to on sexual level, but has money or power for example. many marriages in the past were conducted on that basis and to me they are null and invalid. a good and famous example off the top of my head is the marriage of king henry 8 who was a child at the time to catherine of aragon who was an adult. in my opinion, most royal marriages were invalid.
Plenty of arranged marriages are very successful. It is us the West who have this idea that marriage is based on just feelings, rather than committment. As for Henry VIII and Catherine you will know that Henry’s dad was looking for away out of that alliance and kept Catherine in many ways a virtual prisoner. He and the Spanish were fighting over her diary. If Henry had wanted out of that engagement he could have gotten out. But he insisted on marrying Catherine…

As for women liking nice guys. While I will say this the bad boys DO tend to be more persistent. There’s something quite nice about a guy who is upfront with you about his intentions and doesn’t play games. And I find a lot of “nice guys” so loooove to play the friend card. A guy who is confident and is not necessarily a push over, also can mean that person can protect you…

I will say this though a guy acting like a jerk isn’t attractive either. I want a guy who is confident and upfront but is also polite and kind…
 
Pro-tip: If the lady/girl watched Oprah or likes Dr. Phil, run. Run very fast. The odds that she’s not a progressive are very low. Same goes for The View or The Five.
The one on Fox News with Dana Perino? :confused:
 
Plenty of arranged marriages are very successful. It is us the West who have this idea that marriage is based on just feelings, rather than committment.
Depends on your matchmaker and like all systems established by our kind, it can be just as abused and corrupted. People who arrange marriage for the sake of financial, political, and social advantages are no different from individuals who pursue courtship to those same ends.

In fact, I would have to say arranged marriage is worse on that regard because it’s not an individual undertaking but a conspiracy forged by entire families with a history of elitism.
I will say this though a guy acting like a jerk isn’t attractive either. I want a guy who is confident and upfront but is also polite and kind…
Rather hard when you’re part of a generation that’s overdosed on ego. -,-
 
When you’re a teen…finding a good dude is like finding a needle in a hay stack!:whacky:
 
Rather hard when you’re part of a generation that’s overdosed on ego. -,-
Oh absolutely! I point out the friend card for a reason though. For awhile I did think just being friends first would be a great thing, but I kind of saw the downside of it. There was a guy I was very good friends with for about six months…And it was to the point I realized he scared off perhaps other guys… We did date for awhile and I broke it off after I realized he really wasn’t all that crazy about me, considering his actions on another circumstances. And thank goodness I realized too that I wasn’t all that crazy about him.

If your just playing “friend” with a girl to get her to eventually date you, I actually don’t know if I agree with that. Of course talking with someone a couple of times, feeling them out is another. But a lot of times the nicer guys don’t get the girl because they just don’t ask. I do think though that a lot of us quieter girls need to learn to give some guys some more encouragement too…And not just sit there make eye contact etc… Its a two way thing.

I guess my whole experience showed me the value of a guy who is upfront about his intentions from the very beginning. There’s a real level of honesty there. And it also shows that the guy really wants to date you as well. Versus a guy that hems and haws.
 
I see. You’re disagreeing with Karl Keating and saying that maybe God really does have one particular person picked out for us, and our only job is to find her, or him. I find that quite unlikely. I think we select our own spouse and turn him or her into a princess or a prince by our decision to love them unconditionally for life.
I’m not saying I disagree. In fact, I take the same position by default, at least on the rational level (emotions are a different story, soulmate theories have the potential to hit home there). I’ve always commented in like vein in those threads here where this type of soulmate theory pops up, saying that there’s nothing to give that idea a solid backing. Somewhere down the route, however, I realised that my arguments were based on the idea that God wouldn’t get Himself involved like that. And then I recalled some passages from the Gospel, including the one about Him caring for every sparrow, every hair being counted on our heads and so on. And then I thought, you can’t really make an argument like that; yes, He leaves us free will and a good share of autonomy but on the other hand He does care infinitely and on a very personal level too. Then things just hung in the air for me. One obviously can’t substantiate the idea of God basically match-making His children so that everybody has his or her intended. On the other hand, you definitely can’t say He doesn’t care enough to get involved in each of His children’s lives on a personal level (in other words any reason for God not doing this must be different than one based on a notion that God doesn’t care enough, is too remote, removed from our lives etc., which would be false premises; on the other hand one can argue from free will and autonomy). This does leave us somewhere in the middle, where you can’t prove either position and I guess you’ve got to say, ‘I don’t know.’ But maybe I’m wrong here.
Oh absolutely! I point out the friend card for a reason though. For awhile I did think just being friends first would be a great thing, but I kind of saw the downside of it. There was a guy I was very good friends with for about six months…And it was to the point I realized he scared off perhaps other guys… We did date for awhile and I broke it off after I realized he really wasn’t all that crazy about me, considering his actions on another circumstances. And thank goodness I realized too that I wasn’t all that crazy about him.

If your just playing “friend” with a girl to get her to eventually date you, I actually don’t know if I agree with that. Of course talking with someone a couple of times, feeling them out is another. But a lot of times the nicer guys don’t get the girl because they just don’t ask. I do think though that a lot of us quieter girls need to learn to give some guys some more encouragement too…And not just sit there make eye contact etc… Its a two way thing.

I guess my whole experience showed me the value of a guy who is upfront about his intentions from the very beginning. There’s a real level of honesty there. And it also shows that the guy really wants to date you as well. Versus a guy that hems and haws.
Time for a man perspective on that, if you’re interested. 😉 In fact, I believe it doesn’t depend on the sex of the individuals but rather on the difference in perspective between the person who does the approaching and the person who is being approached.

Somewhat naturally, if you’re being approached by a romantically interested stranger who doesn’t immediately sweep you off your feet, you would prefer to be friends for a while. Happens to me also when I’m approached by a lady as opposed to my approaching one.

On the other hand, a person who is finding himself or herself ‘in love’ can’t really switch it off for a while as if with a light switch. This is much more complicated.

Incidentally, friends or ‘friends’ scaring (other) potential mates away from you is more complicated than that. Basically, any relationship which can be ambiguous to the beholder can scare potential mates away. This includes any affectionate or close friendships (or otherwise potentially misleading to the beholder), not just the ones with people we LJBF-ed (friend-zoned).

As for being upfront, while it may seem that women like it in men, it isn’t always so. I’m suspecting that a woman (or man for that matter) either likes you that way or not and it doesn’t matter that much if you’re upfront or not, as long as you aren’t completely passive. At any rate, being upfront early with a woman (or man) results in the woman (or man) needing to make a decision while not having enough data to base it on; in my opinion a woman in such a situation is very likely to friend-zone you on an instinct (a man probably too). Plus, you can still be thought of as ‘creepy’, same is the scenario where you probe first to see if there’s any interest in you from that person.
 
There’s something quite nice about a guy who is upfront with you about his intentions and doesn’t play games.
There is, but then that requires him to be certain of his intentions, which is practically impossible for a Catholic person nowadays (too many people out there are incapable of validly marrying). From a man’s perspective, I have an impression that women sometimes want too much certainty and commitment too early, as in in some cases a woman seems to think that before a man first approaches her (having only her appearance and a short observation of her behaviour as a guide), he should already be decided as to his intentions with regard to her (i.e. committed to the idea of having a relationship with her). This is probably a minority position because a man so bold and open risks being labelled as a ‘creep’, which is quite a popular way of thinking too, in contradiction to the first one. At any rate, first contacts or initial stages of relationships are very hard to theorise about and I think that in reality the perceived attractiveness of the person approaching trumps everything else (including the manner in which he or she did the approaching).

Just in order at least to try and get something useful from the above reflection, I think it could be a good idea if people in general made the effort to relax a bit, get some perspective, question their preconceived notions and expectations, allowing also some tentative contact, where you can really just get to know about the person without making commitments you’re not in a position to make as of yet. On the other hand, lack of commitment means people shouldn’t be reaping the fruit of romantic commitment (e.g. getting cosy together, kissing, reciting love poetry, whatever), at least in so far as they’re calmly considering their options and still open to other people.
Indeed. Is it too much to wish for a wife who doesn’t:

a). Nag my brains out
b). Criticize me instead of having confidence in me
c). Talk too much
d). Assert herself needlessly
e). Give into the egotistical trends of Generation Me
What about your own egotistical trends? I don’t mean to offend you or hurt your feelings but your language sounds very egotistical when you talk about ‘real dominance’ or ‘timidly submitting’. Especially the ‘real dominance’ sounds like something a sociopath could say. I’m puzzled because I know you not to be that kind of person but at the same time I can’t pretend I haven’t seen what you have written. I’d suggest that you look for an old-fashioned relationship in which the man is the head of the family (even somewhat authoritarian), but not cross the lines of bondage/sado-masochism, which are not healthy.

And certainly don’t look for power just because it looks cool and you can enjoy it (e.g. enjoying dominance over another human person). Remember that God who created us gives us freedom, even though He is the supreme ruler of the universe.
 
There is, but then that requires him to be certain of his intentions, which is practically impossible for a Catholic person nowadays (too many people out there are incapable of validly marrying). From a man’s perspective, I have an impression that women sometimes want too much certainty and commitment too early, as in in some cases a woman seems to think that before a man first approaches her (having only her appearance and a short observation of her behaviour as a guide), he should already be decided as to his intentions with regard to her (i.e. committed to the idea of having a relationship with her). This is probably a minority position because a man so bold and open risks being labelled as a ‘creep’, which is quite a popular way of thinking too, in contradiction to the first one. At any rate, first contacts or initial stages of relationships are very hard to theorise about and I think that in reality the perceived attractiveness of the person approaching trumps everything else (including the manner in which he or she did the approaching).

Just in order at least to try and get something useful from the above reflection, I think it could be a good idea if people in general made the effort to relax a bit, get some perspective, question their preconceived notions and expectations, allowing also some tentative contact, where you can really just get to know about the person without making commitments you’re not in a position to make as of yet. On the other hand, lack of commitment means people shouldn’t be reaping the fruit of romantic commitment (e.g. getting cosy together, kissing, reciting love poetry, whatever), at least in so far as they’re calmly considering their options and still open to other people.
I’m unsure if I am husband material. 😦
 
And what in my post made you think that?
When you said that too many people out there are incapable of validly marrying. o:
That and the fact that I’ve yet to meet a woman who would have noble reasons for marrying me.
 
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