Why do we live in a competitive society?

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I think the main problem is that we have a warped concept of ownership. Karl Marx recognized that, but went too far in suggesting that we get rid of the concept of ownership altogether. The problem is not the idea of ownership itself, but rather it’s the fact that people do not perceive resources as existing first and foremost as something that belongs to God, and secondly as something that exists for everyone’s well-being. People are laying claim to resources without considering the common good. There is an extreme individualism underlying the capitalist construct.

Try to fit Capitalism or competition into the equation of God’s ownership (considering that God is love), and i think you will find that it doesn’t fit very well.
 
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We don’t have to. But is that really the most pragmatic way of going about doing things?
 
yes, Competition and Love don’t fit well. l reckon competition may not be in heaven.
 
1 Corinthians 9

24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. 25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.
 
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I am waiting for you to show me that it was bad. Competition early on was more about survival than it was about gain. Look at the people in the past several hundred years, who came up with new and novel ideas, inventions such things as the printing press, just to pull an old one) which did not result in “competition” but rather, a means of increasing knowledge by making information more available. Or the light bulb (Edison) by a person who was famous for competing with himself - and changed the lives of multitudes. One can go on and on about inventions, many of which resulted in wealth for the individual. But there was no “competition” with others. In all of these, it was “I win, and you win”.

Your issue about people with no skill (and there are far fewer of them than you might want to posit) have always been taken care of by one means or another in history. People with even minimal skill can find jobs - just look at what Goodwill Industries, and Catholic charities have provided. There is a real difference between lack of skill, and lack of motivation. And in the 70+ years I have been around and observing, I have found way, way more of the latter. And the older I get, the more I hear from people between high school age and say, age 30, that they don’t “like” this or that job; or it is “too hard”, or they have been fired repeatedly for failure to show up and put in a day’s work. A friend of mine is head of a landscaping company, and is one of the larger landscaping companies around. 3 months ago, he was worried, as he had more work aailable than he had good workers. And no, he was not paying minimum wage; he simply could not find people who were willing to work hard. I have known him for 18 years, and met a number of his crew. Pushing a lawn mower is not rocket science; but it does mean you might break a sweat. Plenty of people are not willing to do that.

Condemned to compete with millions? Not even.

As to college graduates who don’t have a job - not sure what they were expecting when they took a major in American Studies. maybe they need to assess what they have for skill sets and consider a skilled worker position. They might have to go back to a 2 year program to learn a trade, and if their pride does not get in the way, they will eventually be earning far more than their classmates who also took that degree.

When I referred to mediocre, I was referring to the people who will not put their heart and soul into their work. They don’t care to be the best they can be; they slide by, doing the minimum or barely more, doing not much more than marking time. I have had employees who, after finishing the tasks assigned, would come and ask what else they could do. And I have had a couple who figured that any job should be slowed down sufficiently to consume the time remaining in the day. They appeared to be approximately the same intelligence-wise; one was motivated, and the other had minimal work ethic. The first one was obviously going to achieve things. The second was less than a C- grade overall.
 
So what is your desired end game? What changes in society do you want to make? Get rid of sport ( or keeping score)? Everybody gets a job with the same pay? What does your desired society look like?
 
https://www.catholic.com/qa/is-heaven-a-meritocracy

@twoboys @IWantGod “Souls will not be equal in Beatitude in Heaven”
Perhaps, i am not an expert on theology. I can see how one persons love for God may be stronger than another persons, how one person may have more grace than another, and how that would result in a kind of hierarchy. But it would be nothing like how humans treat each-other. At the end of the day no-matter what position in heaven you have, the fact remains that you are in heaven. It’s not like there are poor people and poverty in heaven. To love is to serve.

God is the greatest master and the greatest servant.

We really shouldn’t be competing for positions in heaven, that to me is a distortion of Christian theology.

Competing for salvation? That’s like children fighting over their fathers love. Why do you think Cain killed Able.
 
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Your remarks pretty much match my own observations. You have described a growing problem.
 
Not everything is competitive. Businesses, partnerships, even corporations require cooperation among many people in order to meet their goals. Even if workers are competing internally with each other they have to cooperate to get their jobs done. A production line requires cooperation, a warehouse requires cooperation. But they all require willing workers.

I was an English major in college and I wasn’t expecting to work as an English professor, but there were always jobs to be had. I never worked in a job which was not new to me at the start. That’s the case with a lot of people.
 
The thing is, we have a lot of people in unfavorable employment situations. Yes, some of it may be due to personal responsibility issues like you suggested but I bet there are many people who are doing what they can but it’s not enough. For example, what about older workers (age 50 plus) who lost their jobs for one reason and another and have to deal with age discrimination, the college graduates who tried to do it right (get good grades, apply for internships) only to struggle in the working world while they live burdened with student loan debt, workers who developed health conditions which hamper if not destroy the ability to work as well as the millions of families and households who are struggling to make ends meet, especially in light of high living costs (such as the cities).

I will admit, your situation does make things appear less gloomy but we do have many people who are struggling, what about them?
 
Businesses, partnerships, even corporations require cooperation among many people in order to meet their goals.
It’s all a lie. I only cooperate until I can overthrow my partners.
Even if workers are competing internally with each other they have to cooperate to get their jobs done.
I subtly undermine my coworkers.
 
Do you really think there was a time in the world where there were not people struggling? You seem to write as if this si some sort of recent phenomenon. Go back to the Dust Bowl. Go back to the Depression. Go back to the time of World War 2. Or for that matter, the time right after that war.

Most people, certainly not all, will get going if they are offered a job. I feel that you think there should be some sort of handout; that the “poor” (however we are defining it this moment, or the next) somehow have a “right” to a “living wage” and if that cannot be found on the market, then the tax man needs to come along and give them a “supplement”. there is plenty of evidence, from plenty of observations, which show that people’s self respect is far higher when they are able to contribute something (aka work); and this goes right down to the individuals most would give up on, those who were born with Down Syndrome, a segment of society which is considered unemployable - until Good Will or Catholic Charities comes along and finds work they can do.

Although that is one segment of society which society will not have to respond to, as upwards of 90% of babies in the womb, if identified, are killed. Why? Because they would be a burden on society.

Not that awfully long ago I heard of several lawsuits being filed by new attorneys against their law schools, as they were not told that there were far more graduates than there were jobs. Somewhere along the line, people need to be asking questions that apparently get missed - such as, what are the job possibilities for someone with a BA in History, or American Studies.

Why did I choose those two? A friend of mine’s middle son had the history degree. He married a classmate who went on to law school while he had a job repairing commercial restaurant equipment. He finally got his ducks in a row, was admitted to a high power 12 month BS program in nursing, and now works for Stanford Medical, I believe in the emergency room.

American Studies? My daughter got her degree in that and it took about 8 years before she finally found a job she could excel at; she now works processing claims for Providence Health and just got a raise, up to $40,000. Her husband had a degree in manufacturing engineering and couldn’t even buy an interview, as major engineering positions were overseas. His dad is a prison guard; now he is a lieutenant in our state prison system and has his eye on eventually becoming a prison superintendent.

both of them scrambled; both of them have a very high work ethic. and they are willing to go beyond what is at the end of their nose. Neither of them had anything handed to them.

All three of those I mentioned struggled. but they had a will to keep trying.
 
Let’s get back to my son-in-law. He entered the prison guard system and as soon as there were openings, applied for the position of corporal. First time through, he was passed over by someone who entered the same time he did, had less background (schooling) but had a father who was in local governement. guess who got the position - but that did not deter him; he kept applying, and made corporal.
after he had time in grade, a position opened up for temporary sargeant. He got that nad served a bit over a year, when all in temporary positions got booted back to their original ones; he was again a corporal. Applied for sargeant, and was bested out by someone with two government qualifications - she was a woman and a minority; but had less time in grade (aka experience)…

So more time goes on, there is an opening for lieutenant, he applies. And now he is a lieutenant.

He simply did not roll up in a ball, cry about how unfair the system is, and become mediocre. He kept doing the best job he could in the position he had, and kept striving for a higher grade. Competing with others? Or competing with himself?

Yes, there are people in unfavorable jobs. They are working; which in itself goes to their personal dignity. There are also scads of jobs for which employers are out begging. And no, not every person can fit into every job; but last year after Seattle minimum wage reached $15/hour, there were individuals asking for part time (as in, having their hours cut). Why? Because they would lose some of their federal benefits. and that speaks volumes.

If someone wants help, there is plenty of help to be had. If someone wants Easy Street handed to them, that might be tougher to fulfil. therre are plenty of Millenials who will go out and bust their hump and will always be seeking to better themselves, and work their best. There are also plenty who feel that they deserve, and are whining because it has not been handed to them. I fail to see why they are so privileged, when I look at the fact that my mother worked in the shipyards welding during WW2, and most of my extended family got out and busted their humps to get jobs, get ahead, and accomplish whatever they could. That work ethic seems to have escaped all too many people.
 
Has anyone seen the movie Stand and Deliver? There is a whale of a lot of truth in that movie, which sadly, all too often is not seen today.

Most (but certainly not all) will rise to an honest and frank challenge, if someone will challenge them. And that is not a challenge to compete with others; it is a challenge to compete with oneself.

30 years ago an Army recruiting phrase (cheesy although it might be) was “Be all that you can be”. Given the liberal tripe that is afoot today, I guess that is now politically incorrect; just as expecting that dropout prone high school students could actually learn calculus is politically incorrect. Instead, college students need “safe rooms” when they have an emotional breakdown, because someone has said something outside their politically correct worldview.
 
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I’ve been working in business for 29 years…never experienced this. Wow.
 
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