Why do you feel socialism is bad?

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If one lives in the image of Christ according to His will the answer should be obvious. Perhaps the answer is not obvious. Jesus and His Church has already instructed us on such matters:

Catechism: vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s1c2a2.htmI
How about the poor who cannot afford a private education. If you are going to do waway with the socialist educational system of public educaiton, are you then going to provide the money and help to those families who cannot afford the private education? And are you going to help out people who will not be able to afford the price of water? How what about the elderly who cannot afford their medical treatments? Will you pay for it?
 
Not everyone can afford a private school.
They could if we had a voucher system. I remind you, I get EIC, and I did it. It wasn’t easy.
So you say then just abolish the whole system? Then what?
I did not say that
Again not everyone can afford private schooling. See how that works in Africa.
We’re talking about US Federal policy here.
What is your solution then? If you say the public school system is broken and you do not like spending money it then what is your solution?
I never said I didn’t like spending money on it. I said I didn’t think FEDERAL $$ solved the problem.

From my anecdotal evidence. FEDERAL $$ just cause more problems, bureaucracy, etc. That’s not the same as me donating or giving my money locally.

You guys think that people who don’t like to see big government don’t care about the poor, about literacy. The fact is, advocates of less government donate more time and money on private charities than advocates of big government.

I donate my time to a Catholic shelter for homeless mothers. They teach these mothers how to breastfeed, how to discipline, how to serve nutritious food, beside offering them a place to live with their children until they get back on their feet. Every one of these women gets support from the government, but the government rewards them for having children instead of teaching them how to be parents. Some have 5 children, by 5 fathers, ranging in age from infant to 5 years old. I kid you not. How can you sleep with another man while you have an infant in the other room? They don’t know any better, and the government isn’t going to teach them. Parents as Teachers? Not working for the homeless or marginally housed.

I maintain private charity is infinitely more effective than Federal $$.
 
I haven’t read the entire thread, so apologies if this suggestion has already been made, but…

The original question was whether or not the Catholic Church views socialism as bad.

I suggest that, to answer this question, one must read Rerum Novarum, Quadragesimo Anno, and Centesimus Annus.

If one reads these encyclicals, I think one will find that the Catholic Church speaks negatively of BOTH communism and unrestrained capitalism.

Also, we must remember that socialism and communism are two different things. After the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, Russia had a civil war between the Whites (socialists) and the Reds (communists) ostensibly because, in part, they recognized that the two economic ideologies are not the same.

John Paul the Great was more socialist than capitalist, and he was definitely not a communist.
 
If one lives in the image of Christ according to His will the answer should be obvious. Perhaps the answer is not obvious. Jesus and His Church has already instructed us on such matters:

Catechism: vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s1c2a2.htmI
How about the poor who cannot afford a private education. If you are going to do waway with the socialist educational system of public educaiton, are you then going to provide the money and help to those families who cannot afford the private education? And are you going to help out people who will not be able to afford the price of water? How what about the elderly who cannot afford their medical treatments? Will you pay for it? And then how much money and help will you be giving to the people of Haiti, who have been devastated by the recent storm.
 
It came from the lack of governmental controls on the prices of items necessary for human survival.
USSR and Eastern Block countries proved that government controlled prices result in shortages and inefficient distribution…
 
USSR and Eastern Block countries proved that government controlled prices result in shortages and inefficient distribution…
They had completely government control. No one here is advocating that.

By the way, how is it that the health care system works in Germany so well?
 
They had completely government control. No one here is advocating that.

By the way, how is it that the health care system works in Germany so well?
From personal experience, it’s horrible.

My elderly aunt (a German citizen living in Germany) was scheduled for hand surgery after a fall broke and dislocated four fingers. We got her to the hospital at 5 AM as directed. We waited until noon. Then the scheduler came out and told us the doctor was finished with surgery for the day, and we should come back tomorrow. We would probably be near the front of the line. My sister and I had gone over there to help her during this surgery. It wasn’t until we kicked and screamed for an hour that the doctor agreed to do the surgery - after lunch.

Then they put her in a ward. She paid extra out of her pocket to have a private room, and tipped the food servers and nurses after her stay was over.
 
From personal experience, it’s horrible.

My elderly aunt (a German citizen living in Germany) was scheduled for hand surgery after a fall broke and dislocated four fingers. We got her to the hospital at 5 AM as directed. We waited until noon. Then the scheduler came out and told us the doctor was finished with surgery for the day, and we should come back tomorrow. We would probably be near the front of the line. My sister and I had gone over there to help her during this surgery. It wasn’t until we kicked and screamed for an hour that the doctor agreed to do the surgery - after lunch.

Then they put her in a ward. She paid extra out of her pocket to have a private room, and tipped the food servers and nurses after her stay was over.
That never happens in the U.S.?

However, for past 27 years (off and on) I have lived and worked in Germany . I have family there too. I have stayed in a German hospital (severe Flu, sprained knee). No waiting. No problems, very professional and caring.

How many German’s gone bankrupt from their system?
 
That never happens in the U.S.?

However, for past 27 years (off and on) I have lived and worked in Germany . I have family there too. I have stayed in a German hospital (severe Flu, sprained knee). No waiting. No problems, very professional and caring.

How many German’s gone bankrupt from their system?
To be honest, all I know if the German system is personal experience.

Germany is a much smaller country based on a different form of government than the US.
I’m not sure a fair comparison could be made.

Being familiar with US history, Federal $$ do not solve local problems.
 
To be honest, all I know if the German system is personal experience.

Germany is a much smaller country based on a different form of government than the US.
I’m not sure a fair comparison could be made.

Being familiar with US history, Federal $$ do not solve local problems.
And so do I. If it is so bad there why are they not trying to eliminate their insurance system? There has been no motion to do so.

Federal and local solve some of the problem. I never said all. Our society is comprised by you and I, Government and business.
 
How about the poor who cannot afford a private education. If you are going to do waway with the socialist educational system of public educaiton, are you then going to provide the money and help to those families who cannot afford the private education? And are you going to help out people who will not be able to afford the price of water? How what about the elderly who cannot afford their medical treatments? Will you pay for it? And then how much money and help will you be giving to the people of Haiti, who have been devastated by the recent storm.
The answers sought are in the Catechism (link provided in prior post: vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s1c2a2.htmI – read it!) and Holy Scripture (John 2:5 and others). There are no specific answers but the answers are there. The “difficult” part is to have faith and live them.
 
And so do I. If it is so bad there why are they not trying to eliminate their insurance system? There has been no motion to do so.
I don’t know.

I can only answer what I think about the US. I disagree that Federal $$ solve local problems.
 
What you are advocating is dangerous and would lead to anarchy and war and death. People would be hurt. For example, if a few people got control of the water supply and they could charge whatever they wanted and turn off or turn on the water when they wanted to. In fact, something like this happened when Enron got control of the electric supply and the electricity was turned off at many schools at different times thus disrupting the educational process.
Further without governmental controls on who works in the factories, we could have a return to children working 80 or 90 hours per week.
The United States has had two types of government; today’s socialist government and yesterday’s small government of 1776 which was based on economic freedom and political freedom.

Economics is the allocation of scarce resources to meet insatiable wants. Economics is a social science like sociology and psychology. Economics studies one facet of human behavior, economic behavior. Economics does not give us the answer to all human behavior, however. Surely the terrorists on September 11, 2001 were not motivated by economic behavior!

Scarcity is the key word in the definition of economics. If there were unlimited resources, there would be no economics.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. Someone always pays for “free lunches.” Economics is interesting because economics reads like a detective novel. “Who done it?” Who benefits and who pays?

Adam Smith’s genius was that he recognized the value of voluntary
exchanges. Voluntary exchanges produce a win-win situation. Both
buyers and sellers benefit. The price that they agree upon is the
market price, or the equilibrium price. Adam Smith said that a seller,
seeking only his interests, and through no conscious effort, is led by
an invisible hand to seek the public good.

Milton Friedman postulated his own invisible hand theory. He states
that an individual, seeking only the public good through government
regulation, and through no conscious effort is lead by an invisible hand
to seek the good of the individual. Milton Friedman, in his book, Free to
Choose, states that he has seen the government do little good.

Thomas Jefferson, in his first inaugural address, stated that the role
of government was an umpire, not a participant. Thomas Jefferson’s
political theories and Adam Smith’s economic theories go hand-in-hand.

The market economy means power to the people! Which goods are produced, how they are produced, and whom should get them are determined by you and me.
We vote with our dollars.

Is the market economy fair? Economists cannot define “fair” or “needs.” Give away new cars, and suddenly everyone “needs” a new car!

Incentives matter. Benefits have to exceed costs. Even a thief makes that economic decision.

Employers are constrained by scarce resources just like everyone else. The only way that an employer can get more resources is to bid the resources away from someone else. That is why the supply curve has a positive slope. A manufacturer will only produce more if he can get a higher price.
 
There is no such thing as a free lunch. Someone always pays for “free lunches.” Economics is interesting because economics reads like a detective novel. “Who done it?” Who benefits and who pays?
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Milton Friedman postulated his own invisible hand theory. He states
that an individual, seeking only the public good through government
regulation, and through no conscious effort is lead by an invisible hand
to seek the good of the individual. Milton Friedman, in his book, Free to
Choose, states that he has seen the government do little good.
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Is the market economy fair? Economists cannot define “fair” or “needs.” Give away new cars, and suddenly everyone “needs” a new car!

Incentives matter. Benefits have to exceed costs. Even a thief makes that economic decision.

Employers are constrained by scarce resources just like everyone else. The only way that an employer can get more resources is to bid the resources away from someone else. That is why the supply curve has a positive slope. A manufacturer will only produce more if he can get a higher price.
And that’s why whenever government steps in to fix prices or production, the results are scarcities and thriving black markets. On the black markets, the prices are much higher than on the free market.
 
And that’s why whenever government steps in to fix prices or production, the results are scarcities and thriving black markets. On the black markets, the prices are much higher than on the free market.
You are correct. Through a system of price floors (minimum wage) the government can create a surplus of unemployed unskilled laborers. The government also can produce shortages and higher prices (black market) through price ceilings.

The bottom line is that government produces no wealth; it just takes our wealth. The government is a parasite. Government causes a misallocation of scarce resources through price floors and price ceilings.
 
“Those of us who place a high value on human liberty … find ourselves in a minority (and it sometimes seems a hopeless minority) in ideology… We are the true adherents of liberty… We are the ones who believe in limited government, in the maximization of liberty for the individual and the minimization of coercion to the lowest point compatible with law and order. It is because we are true liberals that we believe in free trade, free markets, free enterprise, private property in the means of production; in brief, that we are for capitalism and against socialism…”

Henry Hazlitt
 
You are correct. Through a system of price floors (minimum wage) the government can create a surplus of unemployed unskilled laborers. The government also can produce shortages and higher prices (black market) through price ceilings.

The bottom line is that government produces no wealth; it just takes our wealth. The government is a parasite. Government causes a misallocation of scarce resources through price floors and price ceilings.
Go live in Somalia or Haiti. There you do not have to worry about any government.
 
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