Why do you feel socialism is bad?

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World War II was a united effort by many nations including yours, Canada, Great Britain, Australia and many others, to stop tyranny.
So is Afghanistan.
Since world war II, Canada and the Western European nations have used their hard won freedom to set up social programs to develop their people. United States needs to catch up.
The US has done more to help the world than any other nation, both via the private and the public sector.
United States needs to catch up.
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I hope Obama is able to bring the freedom to the American people through his social programs, that the rest of the western democracies enjoy.
Our country was founded on different principles than yours. As an American BY CHOICE, I hope his wealth redistribution and proabortion policies fail.
 
I hope Obama is able to bring the freedom to the American people through his social programs, that the rest of the western democracies enjoy.

We get just the opposite of what governments promise! That is the way the real world works. Government is impotent to solve our problems. The cure that governments promise is worse than the disease. Only free men can do what the government promises to do.

“The lesson I have to teach is this: Leave all creative energies uninhibited. Merely organize society to act in harmony with this lesson. Let society’s legal apparatus remove all obstacles the best it can. Permit these creative know-hows freely to flow. Have faith that free men will respond to the Invisible Hand. This faith will be confirmed. I, Pencil, seemingly simple though I am, offer the miracle of my creation as testimony that this is a practical faith, as practical as the sun, the rain, a cedar tree, the good earth.”
 
You guys don’t need to worry about Al Quida controlling you. With the absent of any plane at the pentagon and lots of thermite at the twin towers and the demolition of building 7 it looks like Al Quida is well under US control.
It appears that dillusional conspiracy theorists and other kooks are not limited to Hollywood but are in Canada as well. But really, what does the opinion from a citizen of a weak sister to the north who is trying to undermine the superiority of the United States have to do with this discussion topic in the first place?
 
Say, that’s an original idea. Did you know there’s a job waiting for you in Washington?

The U.S. military can do its job very well, thank you, with a finite number of dollars. There isn’t enough money in the known universe to satisfy socialist welfare programs.

You don’t know very much about Americans.
Seeker100’s post is a little embarrassing from our pov, eh?:o
 
It appears that dillusional conspiracy theorists and other kooks are not limited to Hollywood but are in Canada as well. But really, what does the opinion from a citizen of a weak sister to the north who is trying to undermine the superiority of the United States have to do with this discussion topic in the first place?
You made my day 👍
 
I hope Obama is able to bring the freedom to the American people through his social programs, that the rest of the western democracies enjoy.
We get just the opposite of what governments promise! That is the way the real world works. Government is impotent to solve our problems. The cure that governments promise is worse than the disease. Only free men can do what the government promises to do.

“The lesson I have to teach is this: Leave all creative energies uninhibited. Merely organize society to act in harmony with this lesson. Let society’s legal apparatus remove all obstacles the best it can. Permit these creative know-hows freely to flow. Have faith that free men will respond to the Invisible Hand. This faith will be confirmed. I, Pencil, seemingly simple though I am, offer the miracle of my creation as testimony that this is a practical faith, as practical as the sun, the rain, a cedar tree, the good earth.”

You seem to like law of the jungle. Looks good on paper but in actuality it leads to the mess your nation is in now.
 
…In keeping with the principle of subsidarity, the fulfillment of human needs begins at the lowest possible level; the individual. Government intervention in social welfare should be the last resort. …
Do you know how many dogs there were in Oxnard, CA, in 1979? [No joke]
 
Well I have a sugestion. Instead of spending trillions of dollars on the military, illegally invading, occupying, killing, maming, raping and torturing people, put the money into education and health care for all of your nation’s citizens. Heck doing that would help reduce the crime rate too and create much more stable healthy society. Win win for everyone! Obama’s social progams are VERY GOOD for your country.
We already spend more per child on education that any country on earth. However, our educational level is one of the lowest in the world. More money for government schools is not the answer.
 
Say, that’s an original idea. Did you know there’s a job waiting for you in Washington?

There is NO shortage of educational opportunities in this country. Our society, through government, has established a K-12 public educational system throughout the country. There is even night school for those who did not finish high school. There are community colleges that offer remedial instruction, vocational courses, and transfer-level courses to four-year colleges. The only requirements for admission are, a) a body temperature of 98.6 degrees F, and b) an age of 18 years. The unemployment office has a federal grant program to train the chronically unemployed and re-train those who have been displaced because of job obsolescence, as do some employers. When I was unemployed, I was in one of those classes, and there were others who sat around joking and poking pencils at each other.

What about the individual’s responsibility to avail himself of those opportunities in order to utilize his skills and abilities to “participate” in the economy? The use of your God-given abilities is a mandate never mentioned by those who perpetuate the myth that there is no public help for the poor, and who favor an ever-expanding, never-ending welfare state.

Part of Catholic teaching is that everyone has an obligation to work, and children are no exception. That is not to say they must engage in paid labor, but to point out that their work is to attend school, study, learn, and do their homework. All children, both rich and poor, are offered immense wealth in the form of education, often at great sacrifice to their tax-paying parents; and for individual students, through willful recalcitrance, to squander that wealth is also a great social injustice. Where does socialist thought recognize that?

There are those who refuse to accept authority. We have all seen them: all their lives, they have defied their parents, defied their teachers, defied civil authorities, defied their employers, defied Church teachings. From the pre-school brat to the man who can’t get a job because he won’t cut his hair because, in his own words, “No one can tell me what to do.” This behavior his completely contrary to our Church’s teaching to respect legitimate authority. The consequences of such behavior are necessarily a low standard of living (who will employ a person who lacks the most basic skills or will not carry out instructions?). This is not to say these types do not need our help; but to blame their condition on a “lack” of social justice (a.k.a., “it’s all society’s fault”) is to misplace the blame and to commit resources to solving the wrong problem.

I reserve particular scorn for the ‘60s generation whose members, by their sheer numbers, sought to defy society, simply for the sake of defiance, by re-designing it after their own image. They are still having a profoundly negative effect on America’s concept of morality. Think of the immense human pride that is required for a single generation to convince itself that it knows more than all the collective knowledge of all of Western Civilization distilled down through 200 generations! Yet, its only accomplishment was to put a different spin on ancient sin in an attempt to give it respectability. The message of that generation to its members was, “You don’t have to care what others think of you; consequently, you don’t have to care about them.” Also, sometime during the 1960s, the American culture passed a “cross-over” point. Prior to that, individuals felt a need to “pull their own weight” and avoid becoming a burden to society, and consequently, there was great social pressure for individuals to work. After that, there was no stigma to sloth; indeed, admiration for the rogue who “beat the system” generated (surprise!) more rogues! They are those who, attempting to avoid personal responsibility, “mine” the system: the welfare queen who drew 32 checks from 32 different welfare offices and lived with her lover in a luxury home and had four luxury cars in the garage.

"In a quest to increase social justice, we must be careful not compound that which we are trying to reduce."

The U.S. military can do its job very well, thank you, with a finite number of dollars. There isn’t enough money in the known universe to satisfy socialist welfare programs.

You don’t know very much about Americans.
Come to Canada we will show you how to do it.
 
Government (“Public”) Education and Functional Illiterates

I divide people into two groups: those that can count change and those who cannot count change. This division is highlighted every summer when I take a vacation.

I empty my pockets of change every night before I go to bed. I take all of this change with me every summer when I take a vacation. I have learned the hard way never to give a cashier more than one dollar in change. They cannot count it. If I give less than one dollar in change, the cashier just puts it into the cash register without counting it.

Most things have been “dumbed-down” for our high school functional illiterates, even our state colleges. Forty percent of the freshmen in college either fail college algebra, or drop with an F. The same percentage holds true in sophomore micro economics. (These percentages come from the professors in our local state college.) Many college professors have resorted to all sorts of gimmicks to help raise the grade average of their students. Many professors actually have a review for the test, which is actually a veiled attempt to go over the questions on the test.

I guess we should expect this from a “public” educational system that is administered by the state governments. The cornerstone of accounting is internal control. Internal control exists in accounting for private business; however, there is no internal control in government accounting. Quality goes down and prices go up in public monopolies. “Public” education is no different. Efficiency and effectiveness are hallmarks of private business, not government administration. The highest ACT scores were in 1963. ACT scores have been going down every since.
 
Socialism is the only form of government that really meet the needs of the people. … Socialism is perfect as the society as a whole meets the basic needs of its population while allowing the innovation of free enterprise to succeed.
United States is very blessed to have a president that is trying to bring in what I would call is socialism. The poor of United States have been oppressed for so long. It is time for United States to end this oppression of its poor and especially the Blacks. It is time for United States to catch up with the rest of the developed world and live up to its creed of being a nation under God by accepting Socialism.
Yes. There are too many inequities with the present robber capitalist system that we have in the USA. On the one hand we have these billion dollar corporations asking for taxpayer handouts, while on the other hand they give their fatcat executives million dollar bonuses. Let us bring fairness to our society as you have indicated above.
 
We already spend more per child on education that any country on earth. However, our educational level is one of the lowest in the world. More money for government schools is not the answer.
Again your nation has so much injustice to its poor. Your cities are a mess with violence. Law of the jungle does not work. Come to Canada or Europe and we will show you how to create a healthy low crime prosperous society.
 
Yes. There are too many inequities with the present robber capitalist system that we have in the USA. On the one hand we have these billion dollar corporations asking for taxpayer handouts, while on the other hand they give their fatcat executives million dollar bonuses. Let us bring fairness to our society as you have indicated above.
Good Post!
 
It appears that dillusional conspiracy theorists and other kooks are not limited to Hollywood but are in Canada as well. But really, what does the opinion from a citizen of a weak sister to the north who is trying to undermine the superiority of the United States have to do with this discussion topic in the first place?
Well I live in a nation that shows what is possible. Aim high!
 
Government (“Public”) Education and Functional Illiterates

I divide people into two groups: those that can count change and those who cannot count change. This division is highlighted every summer when I take a vacation.

I empty my pockets of change every night before I go to bed. I take all of this change with me every summer when I take a vacation. I have learned the hard way never to give a cashier more than one dollar in change. They cannot count it. If I give less than one dollar in change, the cashier just puts it into the cash register without counting it.

Most things have been “dumbed-down” for our high school functional illiterates, even our state colleges. Forty percent of the freshmen in college either fail college algebra, or drop with an F. The same percentage holds true in sophomore micro economics. (These percentages come from the professors in our local state college.) Many college professors have resorted to all sorts of gimmicks to help raise the grade average of their students. Many professors actually have a review for the test, which is actually a veiled attempt to go over the questions on the test.

I guess we should expect this from a “public” educational system that is administered by the state governments. The cornerstone of accounting is internal control. Internal control exists in accounting for private business; however, there is no internal control in government accounting. Quality goes down and prices go up in public monopolies. “Public” education is no different. Efficiency and effectiveness are hallmarks of private business, not government administration. The highest ACT scores were in 1963. ACT scores have been going down every since.
This is not true at many public universities such as University of California at Berkeley. Students there typically perform A or A+ ( 95% - 100%) on math and science tests, and these are not reviewed in advance nor are they dumbed down in any way. Actually the reverse is true. So you don’t know what you are talking about when it comes to a public university such as UC Berkely.
 
Again your nation has so much injustice to its poor. Your cities are a mess with violence. Law of the jungle does not work. Come to Canada or Europe and we will show you how to create a healthy low crime prosperous society.
This is basically due to the robber baron form of corporate capitalism that exists in the USA today.
 
This is basically due to the robber baron form of corporate capitalism that exists in the USA today.
You are so right sidbrown. Pure corporate capitalism does not work. It creates an every man for himself atmosphere. The poor get oppressed desperate and negative, and the rich gain more and more ridiculous amounts of wealth and power. Social programs such as universal health care and proper education for all, strengthen the society so that everyone wins.
 
This is not true at many public universities such as University of California at Berkeley. Students there typically perform A or A+ ( 95% - 100%) on math and science tests, and these are not reviewed in advance nor are they dumbed down in any way. Actually the reverse is true. So you don’t know what you are talking about when it comes to a public university such as UC Berkely.
You are correct about state universities. There is competition among the universities. A student is free to go to any university in the United States.

The same cannot be said of the government schools k-12. There is no competition. A student goes to a school in his school district. This situation really hurts the poor who live in poor neighborhoods. That is why I support school choice through school vouchers.
 
You are so right sidbrown. Pure corporate capitalism does not work. It creates an every man for himself atmosphere. The poor get oppressed desperate and negative, and the rich gain more and more ridiculous amounts of wealth and power. Social programs such as universal health care and proper education for all, strengthen the society so that everyone wins.
Sorry, government social programs weaken society. The ultimate price is the destruction of the dollar and our freedom. You are watching that process take place right in front of your eyes in Washington.
 
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