Why do you hate Islam?

[trdchubi]

The greatest evil , the greatest wrong was committed by the CHOSEN PEOPLE ,

Barabas was their CHOSEN ONE, and they deny CHRIST existed, the Muslims would have never chosen a murdering thief,

ONE CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT WILL HAPPEN ON JUDGEMENT DAY,

Yeah I can only imagine what will be with those people who say curse on the Jews when the The Son of Man comes.

 

[trdchubi]

None of the muslims I know have slaves, and none of the married muslim men i know have sex with anyone other than their one wife.

I’m not comparing ideals or extremes, or someone on youtube. I’m talking about the people I encounter in my life, in my work and my neighbourhood. The muslim women around here don’t wear burkhas, they just have a nice scarf and dress modestly. The men don’t own slaves, they are good family men and they seem devout and holy.

Well good for you, but the muslim I have encountered are those who practice the “sex rather than my four wives” type and the “keep lying so they don’t know my true intention” kind. One of the things that I hate the most is the “Don’t oppress me lest you want yourself and your kins dead” type of muslims. I tell you this people are filthy and mate like rabbits in my country. They practice the evil teachings of their false prophet very well.

 

[GraceDK]

Well good for you, but the muslim I have encountered are those who practice the “sex rather than my four wives” type and the “keep lying so they don’t know my true intention” kind. One of the things that I hate the most is the “Don’t oppress me lest you want yourself and your kins dead” type of muslims. I tell you this people are filthy and mate like rabbits in my country. They practice the evil teachings of their false prophet very well.

You sound like a nazi. Your words are not that of a Christian. By putting the Pope, the Chosen people and your bigoted remarks in one sentence you do damage to the Gospel. You are not serving Christ. Go and repent.

 

[MDK]

**I see that bacaldoLDS and Phoenix had given very good honest posts about any religion. But GraceDK has tried to oppose that too. I also feel that the title of discussion here should be “Why do the Catholics hate every other non-Catholic faith.”

We are sure that bacal and Phoenix are right and Jesus never taught what the Catholics are now spewing around. LDS may be good or bad, may be wrong, and Islam also may be wrong, but there is no need for the Catholics to falsely accuse the head of any religion when their own house is on fire.

The Catholics try to derive some far fetched good meanings for their own leaders and faith. At the same time they try to derive the very worst meanings from the books of other faiths. How come? They cannot get along like that as honest people.**

This is exactly why I do not like Islam. It blinds its adherents from seeing the truth, so that they call light as though it were darkness, and darkness as though some shade of gray. Same with all false faith systems like the strange and incoherent world of Mormonism. If you were honest about the truth, you would admit the truth. It’s sad that you’ve been blinded by inconsistent, contradictory, and incoherent teachings of a murderer, marauder, rapist, thief and arrogant liar. Evidence is that so far, your posts carry very, very little, if any truth.

Grace,
God be with you. You’re doing well.

 

[MDK]

Yeah I can only imagine what will be with those people who say curse on the Jews when the The Son of Man comes.

We must ask, what about the new chosen people, in God’s New Covenant Church? These are the chosen people as well. God only created two religions, and one has come to it’s legitimate end. Is there an OT priesthood still in existence? No. God’s New Covenant Church is where His new chosen people can be found participating in God’s New and Everlasting Covenant as His family.

 

[GraceDK]

We must ask, what about the new chosen people, in God’s New Covenant Church? These are the chosen people as well. God only created two religions, and one has come to it’s legitimate end. Is there an OT priesthood still in existence? No. God’s New Covenant Church is where His new chosen people can be found participating in God’s New and Everlasting Covenant as His family.

MDK…
Yes, the followers of Christ are his chosen people.
But I would not say Judaism has come to its end. I rather say that Judaism has and is being fulfilled. Hence also the Hebrew Catholics who call themselves “fulfilled Jews”. There is much wisdom in Judaism and they have the Tanakh. God still has a covenant with them but as for now their eyes are held shut for the sake of gentiles like you and me…
Is there an OT priesthood still in existence. Well if you know about Judaism, you know that a substitute cult has been made for the Temple cult for obvious reasons. Eg. they celebrate Jewish festivals and also the Yom Kippur day of atonement. In some ways similar to Christian mindset, they bring spiritual offerings.
How God receives these is not something we are aware of.
I am blessed whenever I meet a Jewish believer in Jesus, whether these be Catholics or Messianic. When it comes down to it, Jesus is the Sacrifice, the Prist and the Alter.

 

[Agabriel]

No need to fret. What he quoted was what the Vatican said about Muslims, not Islam. What it is merely saying is that there are lots of Muslims sincerely seeking God, but [implied] that it doesn’t make Islam correct. I haven’t researched it out, but I’m sure that the Vatican is somewhat less positive about Islam itself. Just consider the pope’s comments at Regensburg.

The frustrating thing about this thread, besides getting side-tracked, is that the question, “Why do you hate Islam?” gets immediately interpreted to mean “Why do you hate Muslims?”

Thanks sedonaman.

I wouldn’t expect anything less of them (according to your last paragraph).

It is a paranoid religion started by a paranoid, little man. Its adherents need constant assurances, it cannot handle ANY discourse (we can read about 1400 years, and still counting, that when they have control - a person is dead for discussing Islam as we do).

Paranoid, fearful of non-believers, fearful of their own salvation since it is not guaranteed. And as they keep going down that path one becomes violent and hateful. Look how the Jews are vile descendants of pigs and apes, the Christians are cursed and Islam must rule the world. Jihad is no longer that inner struggle.

 

[MDK]

MDK…
Yes, the followers of Christ are his chosen people.
But I would not say Judaism has come to its end. I rather say that Judaism has and is being fulfilled. Hence also the Hebrew Catholics who call themselves “fulfilled Jews”. There is much wisdom in Judaism and they have the Tanakh. God still has a covenant with them but as for now their eyes are held shut for the sake of gentiles like you and me…
Is there an OT priesthood still in existence. Well if you know about Judaism, you know that a substitute cult has been made for the Temple cult for obvious reasons. Eg. they celebrate Jewish festivals and also the Yom Kippur day of atonement. In some ways similar to Christian mindset, they bring spiritual offerings.
How God receives these is not something we are aware of.
I am blessed whenever I meet a Jewish believer in Jesus, whether these be Catholics or Messianic. When it comes down to it, Jesus is the Sacrifice, the Prist and the Alter.

Well, are you leaning toward saying that there is no need for Jews to convert to Christianity? Does God have two Churches right now, both being legitimate? Is it acceptable that Jews remain Jews? Please be careful not to get into dispensationalism. God didn’t set the Jews aside to deal with the Gentiles, and then will go back to the Jews.

Please look at what I said, and what was meant. For instance, did I say Judaism has come to an end, as in not being practiced? I lived in Israel for 6 months, and am a supporter of the Jewish people. I know people still practice, as it’s pretty obvious. People practice all kinds of things. This religion was the only one not Catholic which was established by God. The home of God’s children is now in the Catholic Church. This is why God built His Church.

The promise to Abraham of a worldwide blessing is fulfilled in the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is the rebuilt Davidic Kingdom. Why would it be acceptable that all Abraham’s children not be in this?

God saw to do away with the OT priesthood, as God’s priesthood exists now in the New Covenant, I hope you’re not saying their priesthood is still legitimate, or acceptable in God’s eyes? No, there is no more reason for it. The need for Judaism has indeed come to an end, because it was fulfilled. What is being said, is that there is that the OT priesthood established by God has been done away with, has it not?

I do know about Judaism, and how is a fake cult to be considered legitimate? Because people celebrate doesn’t mean they need to or that it is legitimate, does it? Their sacrifices don’t really forgive sins, do they? Don’t stand on thin ice here. However, in the New Covenant, there is remittance of sin.

I am blessed when I meet a true Christian, regardless of where they came from or what bloodline they have. Jesus is the High Priest and Sacrifice, but not the altar. Does having wisdom in your teachings mean that you are a legitimate faith? Is that the criteria? Of course there is wisdom. Why wouldn’t there be? Are we to think that God loves a Messianic Jew more than, for instance Pope Benedict, or a Mexican peasant who in for the sake of discussion devoutly follows Christ even better than the Messianic Jew?

 

[slyboots]

Hate? That word is difficult. But I believe Islam to be wrong. And it is right to hate wrongness.
When Islam accepts the Apostle Creed as the truth about God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Christ’s Blessed Mother, and all that the Creed entails then I will no longer have to hate Islam.
That being said, I do not hate those who practice this wrong hearted faith. They are children of the Lord God as am I. They are sinners to be redeemed by Christ as am I. And we are all working out our salvation minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day.

 

[Agabriel]

Another reason why I hate Islam is because of their redefinition of words. I know that I have brought this up before, and showed their new definitions for such words as ‘innocent’, etc. but also their redefinition for sin.

Basically sin is whatever Muhammed said was a sin (haram) and what was not (halal). And to remember that what a Muslim does to a Muslims vs a non-Muslim also makes a difference.

halal and haram

Some of the things that are allowed for Muslims to do to anyone who is not a Muslim is just disgusting. I will quote from this article some of these things:

It is haram to marry an adult pagan woman but halal to marry an underage Muslim child.

It is haram to steal an egg from a Muslim, punishable by cutting hands and feet, but halal to rob non Muslim’s commercial caravans, rewarded by share of the booty.

It is haram to slaughter an animal in a name other than God but halal to slaughter a human being in the name of God.

It is haram to befriend a Jew or a Christian but halal to kill them and sleep with their wives and daughters.

It is haram to watch television but halal to watch beheadings and stoning.

It is haram for a woman even to show her face to a namahram man but halal for a man to disrobe and inspect a namahram woman before buying her in a slave market.

It is haram to buy mortgage to acquire a house for your family but halal to buy a woman from a slave market to sleep with her.

It is haram to trade alcohol but halal to trade human beings.

It is haram to listen to music but halal to listen to wailing of innocent women and children of the beheaded critics and apostates.

It is haram to see a movie but halal to kill an infidel.

There is more… I recommend the article - it is a fast read.

 

[GraceDK]

Well, are you leaning toward saying that there is no need for Jews to convert to Christianity? Does God have two Churches right now, both being legitimate? Is it acceptable that Jews remain Jews? Please be careful not to get into dispensationalism. God didn’t set the Jews aside to deal with the Gentiles, and then will go back to the Jews.

Please look at what I said, and what was meant. For instance, did I say Judaism has come to an end, as in not being practiced? I lived in Israel for 6 months, and am a supporter of the Jewish people. I know people still practice, as it’s pretty obvious. People practice all kinds of things. This religion was the only one not Catholic which was established by God. The home of God’s children is now in the Catholic Church. This is why God built His Church.

The promise to Abraham of a worldwide blessing is fulfilled in the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is the rebuilt Davidic Kingdom. Why would it be acceptable that all Abraham’s children not be in this?

God saw to do away with the OT priesthood, as God’s priesthood exists now in the New Covenant, I hope you’re not saying their priesthood is still legitimate, or acceptable in God’s eyes? No, there is no more reason for it. The need for Judaism has indeed come to an end, because it was fulfilled. What is being said, is that there is that the OT priesthood established by God has been done away with, has it not?

I do know about Judaism, and how is a fake cult to be considered legitimate? Because people celebrate doesn’t mean they need to or that it is legitimate, does it? Their sacrifices don’t really forgive sins, do they? Don’t stand on thin ice here. However, in the New Covenant, there is remittance of sin.

I am blessed when I meet a true Christian, regardless of where they came from or what bloodline they have. Jesus is the High Priest and Sacrifice, but not the altar. Does having wisdom in your teachings mean that you are a legitimate faith? Is that the criteria? Of course there is wisdom. Why wouldn’t there be? Are we to think that God loves a Messianic Jew more than, for instance Pope Benedict, or a Mexican peasant who in for the sake of discussion devoutly follows Christ even better than the Messianic Jew?

Brother. I dont really want to discuss this since its off thread.
I agree with the majority of what you say. I dont believe in the substitution theory by the way… if you want my views I could direct you to www.catholicsforisrael.com which is a really awesome page made by a friend of mine who is a deeply rooted Catholic.
A question I could pose to you on a hypothetical other thread is: what does the Bible mean when it states that All of Israel will be saved.

I am happy to know you have lived in the Holy Land… So have I
Oh and by the way. I didnt mean that Jesus is the Alter… The Cross is the Alter of course and Jesus is the High Priest. Nothing we can do can add nor take away from that Holy Sinless Offering on behalf of all those who call on His Mercy through His Grace.

Peace be with you.

 

[MDK]

Brother. I dont really want to discuss this since its off thread.
I agree with the majority of what you say. I dont believe in the substitution theory by the way… if you want my views I could direct you to www.catholicsforisrael.com which is a really awesome page made by a friend of mine who is a deeply rooted Catholic.
A question I could pose to you on a hypothetical other thread is: what does the Bible mean when it states that All of Israel will be saved.

I am happy to know you have lived in the Holy Land… So have I
Oh and by the way. I didnt mean that Jesus is the Alter… The Cross is the Alter of course and Jesus is the High Priest. Nothing we can do can add nor take away from that Holy Sinless Offering on behalf of all those who call on His Mercy through His Grace.

Peace be with you.

No, this is not the proper thread, so then I ask that you please try to refrain from “correcting” me on something which didn’t need correction. It could be expanded upon, but then again most every post on CAF could.

Please also don’t confuse the state of Israel with the lineage of Jacob, or the Jewish faith. These are all different. The blood children of Jacob are one thing, Judaism another, and the state of Israel quite another. The state of Israel simply has the same name as Jacob and his lineage, but the two are quite different. We both know that all inhabitants of Israel are not in the lineage of Jacob. Also, the state of Israel is not reconstituted Judaism, as the Jewish priesthood for instance, is no more. People like John Hagee confuse these, and make a lot of money from it from those who don’t know better.

Rather than directly handing you the answer, it may be most helpful to give you clues to the meaning of your question, and ask you to consider these. Do you think this means that everyone born Jew will go to Heaven? It certainly does not. So, it does not mean all of Jacob’s lineage, nor all those who subscribe to Judaism, nor does it mean all those in the state of Israel. Try to apply this perspective and I think you’ll do better with this. We Catholics do consider Abraham as our spiritual ancestor in faith. That being said, the worldwide blessing promised to Abraham is accomplished in the rebuilt Davidic Kingdom, the Catholic Church, which God built for the salvation of His worldwide family.

Please review Benedict’s prayer for the Jews on Good Friday 2008:
"Let us also pray for the Jews that God our Lord should illuminate their hearts, so that they will recognize Jesus Christ, the Savior of all men.

Let us pray. Let us genuflect. Rise.

All-powerful and eternal God, you who wish that all men be saved and come to the recognition of truth, graciously grant that when the fullness of peoples enters your Church all of Israel will be saved.

Through Christ Our Lord, Amen."

Glad you clarified about the altar. It’s better that we not get carried away and write the Christ is the altar. We do have a responsibility to carry forward the truth, as taught in the Church.

Why would anyone want to add to or take away from His Mercy? I don’t understand the need for a statement like this in this post. It reminds me of the Protestant jabs which are born of the misunderstandings of both Catholicism and of justification, but worded to mean that the Church is not necessary for salvation. God’s Catholic Church discusses salvation for the invincibly ignorant, which would include those who are blinded.

I ask that we all please have true ecumenism with all, including the Jewish people. For example, we don’t properly embrace the heretic by embracing the heresies, nor do we properly embrace the ignorant by adopting the same ignorance. We properly embrace the heretic and/or the ignorant by teaching the truth with charity for our brethren, fellow children of God.

God be with you.

 

[MDK]

Hate? That word is difficult. But I believe Islam to be wrong. And it is right to hate wrongness.
When Islam accepts the Apostle Creed as the truth about God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Christ’s Blessed Mother, and all that the Creed entails then I will no longer have to hate Islam.
That being said, I do not hate those who practice this wrong hearted faith. They are children of the Lord God as am I. They are sinners to be redeemed by Christ as am I. And we are all working out our salvation minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day.

Very nice, sly. I believe you’ve got your heart in a good place on this.

 

[MDK]

…LDS may be good or bad, may be wrong, and Islam also may be wrong, but there is no need for the Catholics to falsely accuse the head of any religion when their own house is on fire…

Let’s hone in on how Islam blinds one from the truth. This is truly sad. In truth, Islam was created by a man who was not also God, and neither was Islam inspired by God’s Angel, yet Islamic propagandists will regularly defend it with (false) praises, or try to claim some moral equivalency with Christianity.

On the other hand, the Catholic Church was built by the God-man, Jesus the Christ. There is not one single doctrine, dogma, or Sacrament which is incorrect in God’s one Church. Yet, those blinded by Islam will decry God’s one Church, as though there were even one false teaching.

To have a false teaching in an institution,

1. The institution must actually teach it.
2. It must be wrong.

While Islam has many wrong teachings meeting both 1 and 2, no wrong teachings are found in Catholicism. The complaints by those against God’s one Church will either have 1 or 2 correct, but never both together. At other times, their complaint involves both 1 and 2 incorrectly stated, as they desperately grasp at straws.

BTW, there is no question about it, Islam is wrong… a false faith system. There is a need to tell the truth. We seek to do just that.

 

[sedonaman]

To have a false teaching in an institution,

1. The institution must actually teach it.
2. It must be wrong.

…

BTW, there is no question about it, Islam is wrong… a false faith system. There is a need to tell the truth. We seek to do just that.

If Islam is true, why does it have trouble accepting that one of their prophets died on a cross? If Islam is true, what difference does it make?

 

[Agabriel]

When Katherine Herridge (I am not sure if I spelled her name correctly) of Fox news went to shake the hands of the Gitmo terrorists released in Bermuda they would not shake her hand because they said they were ‘religious’.

Religion says that women are dirty.

Of course, these guys say they are not guilty - they are just following their ‘religion’. I wonder why they were at an Al Qaeda camp when they were captured.

Hey, now Obama (our resident Muslim in Charge) is happy. Never mind that he puts these creeps in someone else’s backyard.

One more point why I hate Islam. When half the population is considered dirty, and the unbelievers are considered dirty, I think that as a ‘religion’ it fails.

 

[livi]

I do not hate those who are Islam. The problem with Islam is that there is nothing in its religion that is compatible with Christianity. It like Catholicsm are works oriented religions in which their follows try to make themselves acceptable to God through a system of human works.

Okay, I’m responding to the part about Catholicism here. Catholics do have faith in God, but we believe both faith and good works are necessary for salvation. And why shouldn’t we? If we really do “love our neighbor” then shouldn’t we endeavor to help them if they are in some sort of need? I believe that God does want that from us.

 

[Agabriel]

Okay, I’m responding to the part about Catholicism here. Catholics do have faith in God, but we believe both faith and good works are necessary for salvation. And why shouldn’t we? If we really do “love our neighbor” then shouldn’t we endeavor to help them if they are in some sort of need? I believe that God does want that from us.

What do you suggest doing?

We have accepted them into our lands and they continually threaten/sue us, demand from us, fight for them (Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bosnia, freed Iraqis and built infrastructure for them), give them money, let them into our safe houses (something that is non-existent in Muslim lands, etc. The biggest thing that I find that they do is deceive our young via the MSA (Muslim Student Association) and also demanding their version of history is in our kid’s history books (we/Act for America currently are looking at that in several states), and on threads like these.

I don’t know how well versed you are concerning their texts, but they will tell us one thing while their texts tell another, or they will tell us incomplete information to delude us.

I could go on.

But, you are right - we should pray for them. As for letting them get away with their deception - we need to catch them and correct them whenever we can.

As for our colleges where the MSA is located (this is a tool of the Muslim Brotherhood), I think, they should be kicked out. But at the very least they should be told that any acts of anti-semitism and they will be given the boot. Anti-semitism, and even attacks against Jews have been on the increase. Some Universities that are seeing this is UCIrvine, UCBerkeley, and many others. They are told to stop teaching hatred in their madrassas and mosques and they are caught red handed doing it anyway. This is going on in Virginia, Michigan, Minnesota, L.A., and probably a whole heck of a lot of places that I don’t know about.

 

[trdchubi]

You sound like a nazi. Your words are not that of a Christian. By putting the Pope, the Chosen people and your bigoted remarks in one sentence you do damage to the Gospel. You are not serving Christ. Go and repent.

Ouch that hurts. I’m sorry if my statement offended you. I was trying to state the fact that people are embracing the culture of perversion, treachery, imperviousness all in the name of a religion is unacceptable. They call it fast growth. We are losing people through the teachings of a devilish religion.

Yes you are right it is a bit harsh to say those words but I would point out that I am fed up, fed up with one particular islamic attitude that is sweeping the earth.

The entitlement mentality seems encrypted in their brains that they twist everything to their advantage. You give them a cookie, they bite your arm. You give them a piece of land they never toil it, instead they steal from Christian lands and they say those lands are theirs as well. If Christian don’t gave in, they wage war.

Yes you are right those statement are bigoted. But what about them, can we say they are not? I have come to realize that no one will ever stand against the evil tyranny that their religion promotes. I tell you not the moderate muslim will. Not even the justice system of any country will.

How come no muslim condemns their cohort’s treachery, extortions, beheadings, kidnappings, bombings, terrorist actions, barbaric rule of law all in the name of their god?

Are we so afraid of this tyrants, and their treachery that we readily fall prey to their exploitation and abuses? I tell you I would readily give the other cheek if justice and mercy is serve as prescribed by our Lord Jesus Christ. But having to give your whole head for decapitation is outwardly cowardice. God gave us the faculty to interpret abuses. It is a great disservice if we succumb to bullies who undermine our very importance.

Stop the bully lest he takes everything from you.

 

[Agabriel]

Ouch that hurts. I’m sorry if my statement offended you. I was trying to state the fact that people are embracing the culture of perversion, treachery, imperviousness all in the name of a religion is unacceptable. They call it fast growth. We are losing people through the teachings of a devilish religion.

Yes you are right it is a bit harsh to say those words but I would point out that I am fed up, fed up with one particular islamic attitude that is sweeping the earth.

The entitlement mentality seems encrypted in their brains that they twist everything to their advantage. You give them a cookie, they bite your arm. You give them a piece of land they never toil it, instead they steal from Christian lands and they say those lands are theirs as well. If Christian don’t gave in, they wage war.

Yes you are right those statement are bigoted. But what about them, can we say they are not? I have come to realize that no one will ever stand against the evil tyranny that their religion promotes. I tell you not the moderate muslim will. Not even the justice system of any country will.

How come no muslim condemns their cohort’s treachery, extortions, beheadings, kidnappings, bombings, terrorist actions, barbaric rule of law all in the name of their god?

Are we so afraid of this tyrants, and their treachery that we readily fall prey to their exploitation and abuses? I tell you I would readily give the other cheek if justice and mercy is serve as prescribed by our Lord Jesus Christ. But having to give your whole head for decapitation is outwardly cowardice. God gave us the faculty to interpret abuses. It is a great disservice if we succumb to bullies who undermine our very importance.

Stop the bully lest he takes everything from you.