Why does Islam consider Jesus a prophet?

[Aquarius]

inJESUS:

Guys, you do not understand Aquarius does NOT want to know who Jesus is he is the kind of persons whom, if shown the apple is round, will argue it is a cube so just dust off your sandals coz he simply refuses Jesus .

Me:the Word is God, the Word is Jesus, so Jesus is God
Aquarius: the bible does not say these exact words.
Me: what does it say?
Aquarius: it just doesnt utter the word!
Me: what if John was explaining rather than stating?
Aquarius: it doesnt matter…he should have uttered the word!

Me: Jesus was with God before the world began
Aquarious: he was in God’s mind, that is or an angel!
Me: but angels do not exist before the world began
Aquarius: so it means that Jesus is in God’s mind!
Me: but theBible doesnt say these exact words!
Aquarius : it means so !!

Correct. I don’t want to know who Jesus is. I am observing the four gospels give us no reason to think the authors of those four gospels considered Jesus to be God.

 

[Aquarius]

prodigal-sun:

Aquarius:

Uou are losing the Battle there Aquarius, it seems to me that all of these posts prove your statement wrong! I think you just don’t want to hear! Please open your heart and you will find out how real the Trinity is.

Peace!

The posts tell us why the posters think Jesus is God. They approach the gospels with the conviction that Jesus is God. They do not demonstrate the authors of the gospels thought Jesus was God. Note the lack of much from Mark, Matthew, and Luke?

 

[Aquarius]

Karen10:

If everyone understood this in a figurative way, there would have been no reason for them to want to stone him.

If Jesus also meant it in a figurative way, it’s only rational to believe that he would have corrected them.

The early Church fathers also wrote quite a bit on the conviction that Jesus was God.

Thanks for the discussion so far, but I don’t see how this can reasonably be interpreted in a different way. Especially when many Church Fathers in the first few centuries wrote about the divinity of Jesus, and they were martyred for their beliefs.

I agree the Church fathers considered Jesus to be God. But there remains no reason to think the authors of the gospels considered Jesus to be God. That makes one wonder exactly what those early Christains believed.

 

[inJESUS]

Correct. I don’t want to know who Jesus is

surprise! i knewit the very moment i read your post…may i ask you sincerly, what exactly are you doing on this forum?

. I am observing the four gospels give us no reason to think the authors of those four gospels considered Jesus to be God

good, we are all nutcases…what else do you want to prove on this forum?

 

[Aquarius]

And no one knoweth the Son, but the Father: neither doth any one know the Father, but the Son, and he to whom it shall please the Son to reveal HIM.

"After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: ‘Father, the time has come. Glorify YOUR SON, that YOUR SON may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people THAT HE MIGHT GIVE ETERNAL LIFE TO ALL THOSE YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM.

Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN …

can anyone of us, being the son of God, claim what Jesus was saying?

How does that indicate the author thought Jesus was God? Here we have the single most spectacular claim in all time, and the authors of the gospels don’t say so.

 

[inJESUS]

Aquarius, i think we all know by now what you want…and you will never get it on this site…so what’s your next plan

 

[Aquarius]

cathgal:

Maybe it never occurred to the authors that we human could be so stupid not to figure out that Jesus is God by TONS of evidence in the Bible! It’s so plainly obvious they didn’t want to underestimate our intelligence. Which is better, to figure it out for ourselves by the profound evidence or to just have them tell us. If they tell us, then the Bible doesn’t need to be so thick, just a cover and 2 pages will be enough. I’m sure there’d be many believers as there are today. But then, you’d be complaining, 'Well, don’t just tell us, SHOW it to us ! "

Why is it such a big deal whether the authors tell us or not. They show us why Jesus is God. That is really more than you ask for.

Maybe the idea didn’t occur to them. In that case they didn’t tell us Jesus was God, and there is no reson to think they considered Jesus to be God.

The big deal is it may shed light on what very early Chrictians believed. If four guys write gospels, and they don’t tell us Jesus is God, it’s reasonable to question the prevailing view.

Maybe someone else can say why the question is a big deal?

 

[inJESUS]

Aquarius:

How does that indicate the author thought Jesus was God? Here we have the single most spectacular claim in all time, and the authors of the gospels don’t say so.

if the author called Jesus lord and God, does it make sense or not yet

 

[Aquarius]

Semper Fi:

Preconceived notion? Come on… Only God is to be worshipped, and an Israelite wouldn’t have worshipped anyone else BUT God (yet they worshipped Jesus without a rebuke from Him, a true prophet, were He not God, would have rebuked them). And if Jesus was only a prophet, and was truly a prophet, He would have rebuked them for worshipping them, because only God is to be worshipped. Again, I showed you proof from the NT in the book of Revelation where you have Jesus Christ calling Himself the Alpha and Omega, which is omnipotent, omnipresent deity. You can try better than this.

When a person believes Jesus is God, then they read the gospels, they are coming to the gospels with a preconceived idea.

I think you are arguing the idea that Jesus is God. I am saying there is no reason to think the authors of the gospels considered Jesus to be God.

 

[Aquarius]

inJESUS:

thats what i was telling him…but no! you either say the famous sentence or you can’t say it otherwise. Good post

Again, in that case they didn’t tell us Jesus was god. So, they provide no reason for us to think they considered Jesus to be God.

 

[inJESUS]

Aquarius:

Maybe the idea didn’t occur to them. In that case they didn’t tell us Jesus was God, and there is no reson to think they considered Jesus to be God.

The big deal is it may shed light on what very early Chrictians believed. If four guys write gospels, and they don’t tell us Jesus is God, it’s reasonable to question the prevalining view.

Maybe someone else can say why the question is a big deal?

if we must question something, then its your ability to understand beyond your nose.

Word is God, the Word became flesh, the Word is Jesus…even a simplton can understand what is being said…i’ll end my discussion with you here…its futile to talk with what Jesus used to call: hypocrits.

 

[Aquarius]

Karen10:

Again.

And I saw, and I gave testimony, that this is the Son of God.
(JOHN 1:34, DRC)

Again, that doesn’t tell us the author considered Jesus to be God.

Consider this. We have a man who is God and four guys write about him, yet they somehow omit that item. That makes one wonder where the idea came from.

 

[Aquarius]

inJESUS:

it’s the third time you ask the same question; its kinda boring; we all know the response…whats your point exactly ?

What’s the answer?

 

[Aquarius]

inJESUS:

surprise! i knewit the very moment i read your post…may i ask you sincerly, what exactly are you doing on this forum?

good, we are all nutcases…what else do you want to prove on this forum?

I am not asking if Jesus is god.

I am observing the gospels give us no reason to think the authors of the gospels thought Jesus was God.

 

[tdandh26]

Aquarius,

You seem to think that the Gospel authors were writting their own opinion or Jesus. Rather the Gospels were written to teach what Jesus Himself taught, not the opinion of the authors. That is why you will not find a definate opinion given, like one of them saying “Dear Aquarius I wish to tell you that Jesus Is God and God is Jesus and Jesus is the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity”. Jesus had the authority to teach, as Jesus Himself says. Which is to say, God had the authority to teach, as God Himself says.

If you want the opinion of the authors you wont find them in the gospels, just like you wont find the opinion of the printing press in the biography of the person whom the book was written about. The printing press can only put down on paper what it was given to put down, just like the writers of the four gospels did.

You can find opinions in the letters though, for those were their words in describing Jesus and His Kingdom.

 

[Aquarius]

inJESUS:

if the author called Jesus lord and God, does it make sense or not yet

The author didn’t call him that.

 

[Karen10]

Aquarius:

inJESUS:

I am not asking if Jesus is god.

I am observing the gospels give us no reason to think the authors of the gospels thought Jesus was God.

Why have you twice ignored this, which John, as in the John the Gospel Writer, wrote *himself?

*This is the third time, now.

“And I saw, and I gave testimony, that this is the Son of God.”
(JOHN 1:34, DRC)"

There. A gospel writer gave testimony that Jesus was God. And I posted this twice and you ignored it, …why?

You wouldn’t want people to suspect that you’re here for other reasons–to annoy Catholics–than for honest, rational dialogue, right?

 

[Aquarius]

inJESUS:

if we must question something, then its your ability to understand beyond your nose.

Word is God, the Word became flesh, the Word is Jesus…even a simplton can understand what is being said…i’ll end my discussion with you here…its futile to talk with what Jesus used to call: hypocrits.

Cathgal asked why the question was a big deal.

I suggest it’s futile to defend the notion the authors of the gospels considered Jesus to be God. note how little defense came from Mark, Mathew, and Luke. And john is atb best ambiguous.

This is a big deal. A man was God. (At least I think the claim is a big deal.) Yet these authors can’t bring themselves to tell us?

 

[Aquarius]

tdandh26:

Aquarius,

You seem to think that the Gospel authors were writting their own opinion or Jesus. Rather the Gospels were written to teach what Jesus Himself taught, not the opinion of the authors. That is why you will not find a definate opinion given, like one of them saying “Dear Aquarius I wish to tell you that Jesus Is God and God is Jesus and Jesus is the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity”. Jesus had the authority to teach, as Jesus Himself says. Which is to say, God had the authority to teach, as God Himself says.

If you want the opinion of the authors you wont find them in the gospels, just like you wont find the opinion of the printing press in the biography of the person whom the book was written about. The printing press can only put down on paper what it was given to put down, just like the writers of the four gospels did.

You can find opinions in the letters though, for those were their words in describing Jesus and His Kingdom.

So, we agree the gospels do not provide reason to think the gospel authors considered Jesus to be God?

 

[Karen10]

Aquarius:

So, we agree the gospels do not provide reason to think the gospel authors considered Jesus to be God?

No.

John who wrote the Gospel John, wrote that he gave testimony that Jesus was the Son of God.

Again. Fourth time now. Ignoring me at this point makes you look extremely foolish:

“And I saw, and I gave testimony, that this is the Son of God.”
(JOHN 1:34, DRC)

Address this please or be taken for a troll.