Why doesn't God destroy the devil now?

[CatsAndDogs]

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When you say that you can disagree with things that you can’t disagree with, you are the initiator of “battling” between yourself and those who know better, who point out your complicity in that self-contradiction.

Who are the “those who know better”?

Catholics.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

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YOU started any “battle” which you seem to see. We are merely pointing out how you are being self-contradictory. You are defending self-contradiction (untruth) against truth.

Who is the “we”?

Catholics.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

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So-called “believers” such as yourself, who quite obviously don’t believe what you have to believe to be able to call yourself a Catholic, are indeed the cause of people like Maher being able to mock the Church.

What is it you think I 'have to believe"?

Catholic dogma as per the Church (Magisterium).

 

[Q_Bee]

Catholics.

Then the answer to both of your posts is that you cannot say that to a Catholic unless you are qualifying Catholics into your own self-created subgroups. Blind accusations without apologetic substance.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

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The Church allows such sins as yours because it would be an overreaction to “ban” you from the Church for such trivial nonsense as displaying yourself anonymously in a venue like this as you do.

You may not see your actions as initiating conflict, but they are. We’re simply trying to educate you.

Again, what are the “sins” and who is the “we”?

The sin of lying. You claim to be a Catholic and are demonstrably not, which you know to be true as you vowed to be a full member of the Church by taking the Church as your sole authority in faith and morals (baptismal vows and Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed).

The “we” are Catholics.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

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(( Can we get back on topic, please? ))

This is the topic.

The topic is " Why doesn’t God destroy the devil now?".

So, why doesn’t He?

 

[CatsAndDogs]

Then the answer to both of your posts is that you cannot say that to a Catholic unless you are qualifying Catholics into your own self-created subgroups. Blind accusations without apologetic substance.

See it as you like. You’ve proven that you’re very good at taking only your own authority AS authority anyway.

Why stop now?

 

[Q_Bee]

The topic is " Why doesn’t God destroy the devil now?".

So, why doesn’t He?

So, by your own admission, talking about the magisterium is off-topic.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

So, by your own admission, talking about the magisterium is off-topic.

No. Well, yeah. You can talk about it all you like, in a thread dealing with it.

This thread, according to it’s title, is not about the Magisterium, is it?

 

[Q_Bee]

No. Well, yeah. You can talk about it all you like, in a thread dealing with it.

This thread, according to it’s title, is not about the Magisterium, is it?

Right. So bringing up whether someone meets your standards as a “Catholic”, “priestesses”, and all other dictates of magisterial pronouncements are topics where you have diverted the forum from its original intend.

Is there a literal “devil” or is ‘the devil’ possibly those things that cause distraction, lull into conplacency, cause division in the Body of Christ, or bring about any form of divisiveness among the people of God?

If it is possible that ‘the devil’ is those influences that detract from accomplishing the realization of the kingdom manifext among us, then in order to destroy the devil, most of humanity would need to be wiped out. This brings us to the old addage about curing the disease, but killing the patient in the process.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

Right. So bringing up whether someone meets your standards as a “Catholic”, “priestesses”, and all other dictates of magisterial pronouncements are topics where you have diverted the forum from its original intend.

As I’ve said, I don’t mind going off topic if others in the thread don’t mind, but if they do then I defer to those who’d rather off topic sub-threads be started as their own threads.

It’s just good manners.

Anytime you want to start a topic (start a thread) based on some issue brought up within a thread dedicated to it’s own topic, PLEASE do so and invite anyone you’d like to join in.

I veritably never refuse an invitation, 'cause I’m a thorough-going masochist, as you’ve probably noticed.

Is there a literal “devil” or is ‘the devil’ possibly those things that cause distraction, lull into conplacency, cause division in the Body of Christ, or bring about any form of divisiveness among the people of God?

Devils are quite real and are persons of an angelic (demonic) nature who like to lead us away from God by our own “lustful proclivities” (concupiscence).

These persons are what tempt humans into fighting amongst themselves instead of cleaving to Catholic dogma.

If it is possible that ‘the devil’ is those influences that detract from accomplishing the realization of the kingdom manifext among us, then in order to destroy the devil, most of humanity would need to be wiped out.

I’m not sure where you’re going here (as I don’t understand what you said).

If you mean are these devils influences which distract us from being good, according to the Church, and thus creating a “more holy society”, then yes, that is what the devils do, quite obviously.

These devils are only “destroyable” by Christ, though He doesn’t “destroy” the devils but rather puts them in their place (into their hell).

I don’t understand your “conclusion” about most of humanity needing to be wiped out. Care to clarify?

This brings us to the old addage about curing the disease, but killing the patient in the process.

Only Jesus can cure the disease, and nothing can kill the People of God, the Body of Christ, so I’m not sure where you’re going here either.

Enlighten me?

 

[Q_Bee]

As I’ve said, I don’t mind going off topic if others in the thread don’t mind, but if they do then I defer to those who’d rather off topic sub-threads be started as their own threads.

It’s just good manners.

Devils are quite real and are persons of an angelic (demonic) nature who like to lead us away from God by our own “lustful proclivities” (concupiscence).

sa-iyr, saw-eer [H8163]: kid, goat, “devil”, satyr, hairy, rough; a hairy he-goat or buck, a sacrificial animal; may refer to demon possessed goat like the swine of Gadara (Matthew 8:30-32).

shed, shade [H7700]: “devil”

diabolos [G1228]: devil, false accuser, slanderer; applied to a man who, by opposing the cause of God, may be said to act the part of the devil or to side with ‘him’.

daimonizaomai [G1139]: possessed with a devil or devils, under the power of a demon.

diamonion [G1140]: devil, god; the divine power, deity, divinity; a spirit, a being inferior to God, superior to men; evil spirits or the messengers and ministers of the devil.

These persons are what tempt humans into fighting amongst themselves instead of cleaving to Catholic dogma.

Would you please quote a reference to “devil” in tandem with Catholic dogma?

I’m not sure where you’re going here (as I don’t understand what you said).

If you mean are these devils influences which distract us from being good, according to the Church, and thus creating a “more holy society”, then yes, that is what the devils do, quite obviously.

According to the multiplicity of references to “devils”, which I have provided above, a human man her/himself be the devil.

These devils are only “destroyable” by Christ, though He doesn’t “destroy” the devils but rather puts them in their place (into their hell).

So, is that a reference to “sheol”, “Gehenna” or “Hades”?

I don’t understand your “conclusion” about most of humanity needing to be wiped out. Care to clarify?

Maybe what I’ve written above will help you to get the gist of it.

Only Jesus can cure the disease, and nothing can kill the People of God, the Body of Christ, so I’m not sure where you’re going here either.

Enlighten me?

So, we have no part in it? We are not his hands, feet, heart, etc? Jesus said, "Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes in me will do the works that I do, and will do greater ones than these, because I am going to the Father (John 14:12).

So, how is it, as you believe, that “only Jesus can cure the disease” if we are empowered to do greater works than his, as per John 14:12?

 

[CatsAndDogs]

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These persons are what tempt humans into fighting amongst themselves instead of cleaving to Catholic dogma.

Would you please quote a reference to “devil” in tandem with Catholic dogma?

Devil in the Catechism.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

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These devils are only “destroyable” by Christ, though He doesn’t “destroy” the devils but rather puts them in their place (into their hell).

So, is that a reference to “sheol”, “Gehenna” or “Hades”?

Whatever it is that the demons (devils) are tossed when it’s their time to go.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

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I don’t understand your “conclusion” about most of humanity needing to be wiped out. Care to clarify?

Maybe what I’ve written above will help you to get the gist of it.

Nope. You’re still baffling me.

You might try being simply explicit, as I’m apparently not too bright.

 

[Q_Bee]

Whatever it is that the demons (devils) are tossed when it’s their time to go.

You’re referring to the catechism and don’t know whether it is Sheol, Gehenna, or Hades? You’ve been telling me that I’m not Catholic and you can’t answer simply questions about the faith you are proposing I don’t have?

You really need a concordance and some study time before you cast asperges on others. Maybe you could at least give me the citation the catechism is using? It is footnoted with references to the passages used to support doctrines (not “DOGMA”).

 

[CatsAndDogs]

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Only Jesus can cure the disease, and nothing can kill the People of God, the Body of Christ, so I’m not sure where you’re going here either.

Enlighten me?

So, we have no part in it? We are not his hands, feet, heart, etc? Jesus said, "Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes in me will do the works that I do, and will do greater ones than these, because I am going to the Father (John 14:12).

So, how is it, as you believe, that “only Jesus can cure the disease” if we are empowered to do greater works than his, as per John 14:12?

Men are to do good, and not do evil, as specified by the Church, but only God actually cures, and only Jesus will cure the whole of mankind when He comes again.

We hope and pray for cures, but Jesus alone actually does the curing.

The disease is sin itself, which is our original sin (as well as that sin of satan), our concupiscence, which won’t be “fully cured” from mankind until Christ returns again.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

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Whatever it is that the demons (devils) are tossed when it’s their time to go.

You’re referring to the catechism and don’t know whether it is Sheol, Gehenna, or Hades? You’ve been telling me that I’m not Catholic and you can’t answer simply questions about the faith you are proposing I don’t have?

I don’t “do” quoting battles.

Where is the place that satan et al (the demons) will end up, tossed there by God?

You really need a concordance and some study time before you cast asperges on others. Maybe you could at least give me the citation the catechism is using? It is footnoted with references to the passages used to support doctrines (not “DOGMA”).

I don’t cast aspersions on your ability to quote the bible. I don’t about your ability to quote the bible.

I cast aspersions on your being Catholic, as demonstrated by your non-docility to the Magisterium of the Church.

 

[Q_Bee]

Men are to do good, and not do evil, as specified by the Church, but only God actually cures, and only Jesus will cure the whole of mankind when He comes again.

We hope and pray for cures, but Jesus alone actually does the curing.

The disease is sin itself, which is our original sin (as well as that sin of satan), our concupiscence, which won’t be “fully cured” from mankind until Christ returns again.

I’m not in a hurry. Get back to me when you have a chance to sort some of this out. Maybe you can get familiar with the Cathechism of the Catholic Church.

 

[Q_Bee]

I don’t “do” quoting battles.

Where is the place that satan et al (the demons) will end up, tossed there by God?

I don’t cast aspersions on your ability to quote the bible. I don’t about your ability to quote the bible.

I cast aspersions on your being Catholic, as demonstrated by your non-docility to the Magisterium of the Church.

Ooops! You’re off topic again!!!