He keeps using that term “uncomfortable fact” in regards to omniscience, although ts not “uncomfortable” for any theist.
Not at all. To deduce some things about people is quite different from knowing all the decisions they make. Conjecture is unacceptable as evidence.
“Conscience doth make cowards of us all” according to Hamlet.
Tell me if this is not true: The decisions a woman makes in 20 years time will be determined by events which will themselves be determined by people who are not yet in existence. That is, we cannot know what her decisions are likely to be now because we don’t know the circumstances which will pertain then.
Again making assumptions about another’s conscience. Mine is just fine , thank you very much. If theist’s are not uncomfortable with their god’s omniscience (another assumption on your part), then they should be. Their fate is already known and there is nothing they can do about it.
Tony, your church says that your god’s knowledge of future events and actions is infallible. That pretty much says it all for a Catholic.
Certainly not. The right to disagree with me is absolute. The only justification I can think of for taking another’s life is self-defense or defense of family.
Not assumptions, observations(hence the terms “seems” and “perhaps”).
If you say so. There is something to be said of someone who a is a materialist and at the same time is a deist.
That “fate” is the result of their(and your) free choice, not determined by the knowledge which God possesses.
Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house, [28] for I have five brothers, so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.' [29] But Abraham said, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’Let me try this…
The problem with your scenario is that I would most definitely end up in hell because I would attempt to do everything except that which would grant me entrance into heaven: believing in God, trusting His mercy, receiving the sacraments and cooperating in grace to grow in prayer and virtue.
Nice try.I’m glad that you agree. Even with all the free will you want, you can’t do anything. From God’s viewpoint (He can see everything throughout all time), you already have made the choices which will send you to hell. From your perspective, you can do nothing but make those choice (‘what happens is that every choice you then make to avoid the future you know leads you inexorably towards the very thing which you’re trying to avoid’).
You don’t. But God does. And that is the whole point.
Because you’re supposing a false definition of “free” or “freedom”. I’ve been telling you this the entire time.
And its a non-point.
Welcome aboard and good luck in getting that answer. Mostly, people have been dropping out…I can only assume why.
I would replace your word funny with imaginary. As imaginary is the only way to explain it.
Well, far be it from me to disagree. If you have been telling me then it must have too deep and meaningful for me to follow.
Well, now we have eventually got agreement that it is all preordained, we can ask that question. Although getting thus far has been something of a trial. I think the thread may reach 1,000 posts before we even get close to an answer (and I think posts are automatically closed at that point).
That’s a non-sequitur. Omniscience doesn’t “predetermine” human acts. You atheists or anti-theists keep falling into the same irrational conclusion based upon the same fallacious premise.
So, do you believe this explicitly or are you just interpreting this? And if you are interpreting, can you break your logic down please, so I understand better?
Please explain to me as to why the statement does not follow from my previous argument? So I may understand better.