Why don't Muslims become Christian?

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Sister_Amy said:
Eh? There are lots of Muslims who transgress the limits of Islam. Extremists and terrorists, for example.
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The Quran preaches hatred.
Do you acknowledge that it is impossible for a human to have composed the Qur’an?
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NO! It is not impossible for a human to have composed the Quran.

Vickie
 
eichenb2 said:
Believing without seeing is PART of faith! I believe in Christianity(Virgen birth, crucifixion, death resurrection, etc), because the Bible says to.
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I believe certain things because the Qur’an says so. Seems like we have something in common.
Specifically, the Bible is most HISTORICALLY RELIABLE text in history. The manuscript record proves that. You can read numerous books about this. I can even suggest some. The “miracles of muhammad” are mentioned in hadeeth, which are not seen as reliable as the Qur’an, based on the testimony of the majority of Islamic Scholars.
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I would like for you to read a book, called “Misquoting Jesus” by Dr. Bart Ehrman. Should clear up the “manuscript record” of the Bible for you.

Now, I’d like you to find me a scholar who says that hadeeth are not as reliable as the Qur’an. Not some mowlvi, but a real scholar–should be someone I’ve heard of before. Especially since you say that’s the “majority” view. Please.
 
JMJ_coder said:
Then your criticism of Christianity applies just as much to Islam and is therefore a logical inconsistency to use that argument to favor Islam as opposed to Christianity.
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When I say transgressing the limits, regarding to Christians, I am referring to Christians who say God has a son, named Jesus. That isn’t just a handful of extremists.
No, I do not.
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Then do you think a human wrote it?
 
Booklover said:
The Quran preaches hatred.
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Hm… can I say… prove it? 😃
NO! It is not impossible for a human to have composed the Quran.

Vickie
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I wasn’t asking you. We all know you can’t make up your mind.

If I prove a human couldn’t have written it, you say it was Satan. If I prove it wasn’t Satan, you say it wasn’t written by a human. That circular argument is all tired out, please don’t go there.
 
Sister_Amy said:
Divine intervention = miracle.

There is only one God.

The Qur’an is the proof. No human could have authored it.

Want proof that no human could have authored it? There is a challenge in the Qur’an, for someone to bring even just 1 chapter like the Qur’an, if they can do it. Just one chapter. But nobody has, and nobody can. Link for details.
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The link provided is so redundant that it’s not funny. I could disprove any verse in the Qur’an with the Bible, the inspired word of God (not Allah, a false god)
Booklover said:
The Quran preaches hatred.

Indeed it does. Our God is an awesome God, he reigns in the heavens above the earth. Our God is also a jealous God as noted in the scriptures, but most of all our God is a loving God who has given us more chance than anyone could ever have

NO! It is not impossible for a human to have composed the Quran.

Vickie
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JMJ_coder said:
That doesn’t hold water. If that is so, then you as a Muslim have a dilemma – either there are a good number of Muslims who transgress the limits of Islam (extremists and terrorists and such) (in which case your criticisms apply just as much to Islam) or you must admit that Islam really is a religion of violence and hate.

Now you should know that Muhammed was deceived by Satan. It was the great liar who came to him in the vision and gave him that satanic “revelation”.
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Brilliant! 👍
 
Sister_Amy said:
Hm… can I say… prove it? 😃

I wasn’t asking you. We all know you can’t make up your mind.

If I prove a human couldn’t have written it, you say it was Satan. If I prove it wasn’t Satan, you say it wasn’t written by a human. That circular argument is all tired out, please don’t go there.
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If you should consider medication. 😃
 
Sister_Amy said:
Hm… can I say… prove it? 😃

I wasn’t asking you. We all know you can’t make up your mind.

If I prove a human couldn’t have written it, you say it was Satan. If I prove it wasn’t Satan, you say it wasn’t written by a human. That circular argument is all tired out, please don’t go there.
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It was already in an earlier post in this thread that the Qur’an preaches hatred. What insults you have. As Christians we are reminded to love one another no matter what and I am sure it may be difficult for me and her right now
 
eichenb2 said:
Brilliant! 👍
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You thought that was brilliant?

Let me review. The poster informed me that I should **know **that the Qur’an was revealed by Satan. As if that were a fact.

But yet when I asked him whether it was impossible for a human to have authored it, he said no. Implying of course that Muhammad authored it.

So will you people please make up your minds where you think the Qur’an came from?
 
tobinatorstark said:
It was already in an earlier post in this thread that the Qur’an preaches hatred. What insults you have. As Christians we are reminded to love one another no matter what and I am sure it may be difficult for me and her right now
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So you love me or you hate me?

I’m asking you to show me where the Qur’an preaches hatred. Is that so hard, can I help by directing you to a search engine? If it does, then prove it to me.

And if I am insulting you, or anyone, please point that out to me. Calling an argument circular and tired is hardly an insult.
 
Sister_Amy said:
So you love me or you hate me?

I’m asking you to show me where the Qur’an preaches hatred. Is that so hard, can I help by directing you to a search engine? If it does, then prove it to me.

And if I am insulting you, or anyone, please point that out to me. Calling an argument circular and tired is hardly an insult.
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If you hadn’t noticed by now I never could hate anyone that includes you
 
tobinatorstark said:
Give me a passage from the Qur’an then. I don’t own one nor plan to
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So tough to decide…

Here is one, 112:1

Qul Huwa Allahu Ahad.
Say: He (is) Allah, One.

That could also be rendered, He, Allah, is One.

Disprove that with the Bible, if you like.
 
Sister_Amy said:
**Do you acknowledge that it is impossible for a human to have composed the Qur’an?/**QUOTE]

Is Allah the author of the Koran, or is it Mohamad…

**Koran 6:102 Such is Allah, your Lord. There is no God save Him, the Creator of all things, so worship Him. And He taketh care of all things.

6:103 Vision comprehendeth Him not, but He comprehendeth (all) vision. He is the Subtile, the Aware. **

6:104 Proofs have come unto you from your Lord, so whoso seeth, it is for his own good, and whoso is blind is blind to his own hurt. And I am not a keeper over you.

The words on 104 in bold are spoken by Mohamad…

6:114 **Shall I seek other than Allah for judge, when He it is Who hath revealed unto you (this) Scripture, fully explained ? Those unto whom We gave the Scripture (aforetime) know that it is revealed from thy Lord in truth. So be not thou (O Muhammad) of the waverers. **

114 spoken by Mohamad

**37:164 There is not one of us but hath his known position. The words, "There is not one of us … " could not have been spoken by Allah. So how is Allah the author of the Quran? **

**37:165 Lo! we, even we are they who set the ranks, **
Spoken by Mohamad

51:50 Therefor flee unto Allah; lo! I am a plain warner unto you from him.

Spoken by Mohamad

**84:15 Nay, but lo! his Lord is ever looking on him!

84:16 Oh, I swear by the afterglow of sunset, **

Spoken by Mohamad

**1:1 In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
1:2 Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
1:3 The Beneficent, the Merciful. **

Spoken by Mohamad…

If these verses spoken by Mohamad, well then, the Koran was not written by Allah.

It is very hard for us to believe that the Koran is the word of Allah, which you all claim means “God” in Arabic.

So be it…

But, if Mohamad and Allah claim to have “enhanced” the religion of Christianity and the Jews, well then, they should have done a better job in convincing.

I said this before. Mohamad saw that Christianity was so popular 700 years after Christ’s death that he created/invented this Islam to justify his “new” religion.

His teachings go against everything Christ taught us and therefore, it’s hard for us to comprehend.
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Sister_Amy said:
So tough to decide…

Here is one, 112:1

Qul Huwa Allahu Ahad.
Say: He (is) Allah, One.

That could also be rendered, He, Allah, is One.

Disprove that with the Bible, if you like.
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Here you go. Proving the Trinity 3 in 1.

Genesis 1:2, Psalm 2:7, Genesis 1:26, John 3:16, Philippians 2:5-8, John 1:1, Acts 5:3-4, Genesis 3:22, Isaiah 6:8, John 12:35-41, Acts 28:25-27, Matthew 3:16-17, Matthew 28:19, Hebrews 11:1, II Corinthians 13:14. Need me to go into the Catechism??? All this proves that God is 3 in 1. Qur’an 112:1 denies the Holy Trinity. In nomine Patri, et Fillii, et Spiritui Sancto, Amen. In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.
 
Actually in another thread before Christmas I remember making a list of teachings which are identical in Islam and Christianity. Identical. So no, the Qur’an doesn’t go against everything Christ taught. (In my view, it doesn’t go against anything he taught, but anyway…)

The Qur’an is verbatim the speech of Allah. Verbatim. Sometimes Allah talks about Himself in the 3rd person. Surat al-Fatihah is interesting as a part of the Qur’an, because it is what Muslims recite in their prayer. (I.e., iyyaka na’budu is what the worshippers say.) Other parts of the Qur’an are instructions to Muhamamd to “Say” such-and-such. (I.e., “Qul: huwa Allahu ahad”)

When Muslims talk about the Qur’an, especially in Arabic, it is always, “Allah (SWT) says…” when referring to the Qur’an. Never ever is the Qur’an confused with the words of the Messenger of Allah, which are completely different in style and rhythm and every possible way.
 
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