Why don't Muslims become Christian?

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cthulhubryan said:
God would not teach a new commandment about Love if He were then going to send a prophet to teach hate.
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Muhammad taught the human and wordly understanding of love. What Jesus taught is the divine love that only the Holy Spirit can give. So to Muslims Muhammad did teach love as *humans *understand it. What Jesus taught transcends the human understanding of love that’s why to some humans, what Muhammad taught is “practical”, what Jesus taught is “not very practical”. Actually Jesus challenged many human understandings like love and power, but at the end we cannot compare Muhammad to Jesus.
 
Jay53 said:
OK. I was just confused because the verses are consecutive and it makes it sound like the “forbidden months” are those months of the treaty when they are forbidden to kill anyone as a part of said treaty. Then, when those “forbidden months” are over they can kill again.
Thank you for your help. 🙂
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You should check out Blogging the Quran. It goes through each verse of the quran and lists what muslim scholars have interpreted it to be. There is a big section on Sura 9 which is the main source for the jihadist ideology:

jihadwatch.org/articles/bloggingtheq.php
 
Booklover said:
KILL, KILL, KILL! Is that all you people think about? And you keep saying that Islam is a religion of “peace”! What a joke! And the lies, lies, lies, and the myths of Muhammad’s so-called persecutions continue ad nauseam as well. :mad:

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That is why every passage in the Qur’an can be refuted with the Bible
 
Jay53 said:
OK. Thank you. Is this a fair site, i.e. not strictly designed to bash Muslims?
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Robert Spencer quotes accepted muslim scholars and accepted muslim texts. Any hate on this site is from the quran, hadith or islamic teaching.
 
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Salaam/ Peace
eichenb2 said:
I will give you a hint. He married and had sex with a 9 year old when he was near 60.
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Which holy book do u follow ? Is there any verse in your holy book that says it’s a sin to have a young wife ? If anyone has a young wife , u must show your hatred for him by refusing to write his full name ? :mad:
 
Jay53 said:
OK. Thank you. Is this a fair site, i.e. not strictly designed to bash Muslims?
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Hi Jay -

You can go to youtube.com and search for Robert Spencer. You will be able to see his debates and interviews there. Tons of videos.

Best Regards,
Pam
New York
 
Muslim_Woman said:
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Which holy book do u follow ? Is there any verse in your holy book that says it’s a sin to have a young wife ? If anyone has a young wife , u must show your hatred for him by refusing to write his full name ? :mad:
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Soooo do you think it is OK for a grown man to have sex with a 9 year old girl?

There is nothing explicit in the New Testament (which Christian Teachings are based on) that prohibits sexual molestation of children but it has been soundly condemned by the Catholic Chruch from the begining and it is condemned by natural law and common sense. Whereas in Islam child marriage (and rape) is very common in the muslim world which is following Muhammed’s example.

This is a good example of the corruption and lack of moral foundation in islam. May God grant you the grace to dicern that having sex with a 9 year old is wrong.
 
jakasaki said:
Hi Jay -

You can go to youtube.com and search for Robert Spencer. You will be able to see his debates and interviews there. Tons of videos.

Best Regards,
Pam
New York
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OK. Thank you.

(As an aside, for whatever reason I thought from your user name that your were male 😃 🤷 don’t know why since it really doesn’t indicate anything one way or another. My perception just strikes me as funny.😃 But I see your name is Pam. Anyhow, welcome to the forums and thank you for the info. 🙂 (By the way, I’m female, too, but I guess people could think I was male from my user name too. 😛 )
 
Jay53 said:
OK. Thank you.

(As an aside, for whatever reason I thought from your user name that your were male 😃 🤷 don’t know why since it really doesn’t indicate anything one way or another. My perception just strikes me as funny.😃 But I see your name is Pam. Anyhow, welcome to the forums and thank you for the info. 🙂 (By the way, I’m female, too, but I guess people could think I was male from my user name too. 😛 )
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I won’t deviate from the purpose of this thread, but to explain -

JakaSaki was the name of my Japanese Akita who’s passed on over to “rainbow bridge” along with his brother KumaSaki and my female Akita, NikkiBear. - I miss them so much - :crying:

Best regards and God Bless,
Pam
New York
 
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thedavidwilson said:
Soooo do you think it is OK for a grown man to have sex with a 9 year old girl?
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In Islam , there is no forced marriage . Bride must give consent first , then Kazi/ Imam asks the man if he agrees to give dowr
( bridal gift …a must for a husband to give ) . If both parties agree , then a marriage takes place. If bride’s parents object & are not present in the maariage ceremony , then it’s not even valid regarding a hadith { saying of Prophet Muhammed (p) }.

It’s not a must for any man to have any young wife. Early marriage was very common in the past , still present in some countries . In USA , minimum age for marriage was 10 only hundred years back. In Hindu’s holy book , it’s said that best marriage is that which takes place when she is 7. Mother Aisha (p) was already engaged to another man ; that was broken by her father as the man refused to accept Islam .

Mother Aisha (p) was very happy in her married life with the Prophet . When God asked if wives of the Prophet want divorce in exchange of earthy wealth , it was Aisha (p) who first answered that I want him ( Prophet ).
May God grant you the grace to dicern that having sex with a 9 year old is wrong.
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May God gives you wisdom not to show hatred against a blessed marriage. On the final day , how will u justify your hatred against a lawful matter ?
 
the davidwilson, may I remind you about a very young lady becoming pregnant before meeting her husband. What would you say about that please?
 
planten said:
the davidwilson, may I remind you about a very young lady becoming pregnant before meeting her husband. What would you say about that please?
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You mean when your Lord and Savior was conceived by the Holy Spirit and became man? It is a glorious event that you should look into. What is your point?
 
Muslim_Woman said:
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Salaam/ Peace

In Islam , there is no forced marriage . Bride must give consent first , then Kazi/ Imam asks the man if he agrees to give dowr
( bridal gift …a must for a husband to give ) . If both parties agree , then a marriage takes place. If bride’s parents object & are not present in the maariage ceremony , then it’s not even valid regarding a hadith { saying of Prophet Muhammed (p) }.

It’s not a must for any man to have any young wife. Early marriage was very common in the past , still present in some countries . In USA , minimum age for marriage was 10 only hundred years back. In Hindu’s holy book , it’s said that best marriage is that which takes place when she is 7. Mother Aisha (p) was already engaged to another man ; that was broken by her father as the man refused to accept Islam .

Mother Aisha (p) was very happy in her married life with the Prophet . When God asked if wives of the Prophet want divorce in exchange of earthy wealth , it was Aisha (p) who first answered that I want him ( Prophet ).

May God gives you wisdom not to show hatred against a blessed marriage. On the final day , how will u justify your hatred against a lawful matter ?
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From the hadith of Bukhari, volume 5, #234

“Narrated Aisha: The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six. We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.”

Bukhari vol. 7, #65:

“Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: “I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).””

From the hadith of Muslim, volume 2, #3309

Aisha reported: Allah’s Messenger married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine….
Bride must give consent first
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Does a 6 year old or a 9 year old understand the word “marriage”? And please don’t tell me that girls in those days matured quickly. There is a verse from Aisha that she was playing with her “dolls” while she was married to Mohamad.

Have you googled Islamic child brides or have you youtube.com Islamic child brides? This practice is still happening today and once again, please don’t tell me it’s a cultural thing and not Islam.

These Islamic Muslims are following in the footsteps of Mohamad. If he can be 58 years old and marry a child, well then, what the heck can stop these muslims of today.
 
In Islam , there is no forced marriage .
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Not quite what is actually practiced in muslim countries. Do you honestly think that a 7 year old would have the state of mind to make this decision and not be influenced by her parents or those around her?
Early marriage was very common in the past , still present in some countries . In USA , minimum age for marriage was 10 only hundred years back.
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This is a tu quoque logical fallacy which is commonly used by muslims to defend thier faith. here is a link to logical fallacys (many of which that are used by muslims) so you can be informed in the future:

fallacyfiles.org/tuquoque.html
May God gives you wisdom not to show hatred against a blessed marriage. On the final day , how will u justify your hatred against a lawful matter ?
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Perhaps this was acceptable in Muhammed’s society. Unfortunatley this action violates Natural Law and muslims practice it today in immitation of Muhammed. Regardless of when this happens or who does it, having sex with a 9 year old is wrong.

I sure hope you do not work with children.
 
thedavidwilson said:
You mean when your Lord and Savior was conceived by the Holy Spirit and became man? It is a glorious event that you should look into. What is your point?
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He should also look into the concept of the Trinity as well
 
To say that Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha is OK because she wasn’t “forced” (leaving aside for now the question of how a child can truly consent to marriage) is so disturbing, I am not sure where to begin. Are you saying, Muslim Woman, that as long as the six year old WANTS to be married, then there is no problem? I have little cousins, and one day they want to be doctors, and the next day they want to be football players, or astronauts, or whatever. Does this mean that I should trust them to perform open heart surgery on me, or send them out in to space? Of course, most little girls dream of being married…when they grow up. Not when they are six years old.

And what about Muhammad’s famous morality? Surely HE could (should!) have refused her on account of her age. He is, after all, a supposedly wise old man and prophet of God. But no, he did the exact opposite. He desired her. 😦

Maybe I’m crazy, but if a six year old or a nine year old or any child wanted to marry me, I would certainly say “NO!” and suggest that their parents pay closer attention to them, since they are obviously in need of parental guidance and love, not to be given away as gifts to old men for their gratification.

All that said, on the topic of this thread: That is a silly question. Muslims don’t become Christians for the same reason that we do not become Muslims: they do not view it as the true faith. Is there really some other reason out there the OP is hoping to find?
 
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