Why God allows the evil of the HHS mandate

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Oh yeah, I am the one living in a different world :rolleyes:

It would truly be interesting having some of you folks in a real life committee discussing these issues.
No, I expect you’re living in the general population and I expect that your views are not very different from theirs. That’s what I’m hearing.
 
The individual employer will be paying extra for birth control. I pay taxes but I pay extra to enter a National Park. The extra is very specific.
So you really truly think your taxes aren’t paying for other people’s ABCs? Whatever makes you happy…
 
So you really truly think your taxes aren’t paying for other people’s ABCs? Whatever makes you happy…
I’m not happy with a lot of the things the federal government sinks money into. Don’t get me going, Rence. I can’t help who they bomb, which conniving enemies they give foreign aid to, and what money they waste on stupid stuff. But this is different because it’s a frontal direct attack. Unfortunately, it’s one we, as Catholics, helped make possible with our disobedience and sloppiness. That has to end.
 
The mandate doesn’t dictate what meats a deli carries, or what flowers a florist will carry, or what pasta the Olive Garden serves. It only mandates that they provide insurance to all of their employees if they meet certain criteria. In turn, the insurance companies have to provide a comprehensive woman’s health package which includes ABCs coverage. And as always, the employee gets to pick and choose which benefits they will use according to their needs.
Of course not.

But the Jewish Kosher Deli owner cannot be forced to offer a product that goes against his beliefs. (pulled pork sandwich to non Jewish worker)

The Yeshiva hospital cannot be forced to offer a product that goes against its belief system. (the non Kosher meal to me, a person who does not keep Kosher)

But, the Catholic hospital has to offer a product that goes against their belief system.
(free birth control pills).

See the point.
 
She does pay for it because the cost is factored into the premiums, deductibles and copays. That’s how group insurance works: some people will use the benefits for something things, but not others. Everyone will not use every benefit available.

The cost of my benefits actually went down Jan 1, 2013 and I still have ABCs coverage in my package. 🤷
It would have went down more if your employer didn’t have to provide birth control.
 
You’re also speaking to someone who has never bought or used contraceptives. I still have it as a benefit. That doesn’t change the fact that no one’s trying to get me to use it, or not use it.
If your insurance is a benefit your employer is being forced to pay for it. Same for eye care and massages.
 
The mandate doesn’t dictate what meats a deli carries, or what flowers a florist will carry, or what pasta the Olive Garden serves. It only mandates that they provide insurance to all of their employees if they meet certain criteria. In turn,** the insurance companies have to provide a comprehensive woman’s health package which includes ABCs **coverage. And as always, the employee gets to pick and choose which benefits they will use according to their needs.
Do you think it is wrong that the insurance company must provide a product like ABC that is not health care or insurance?

A product considered immoral by your employer that is not health care or insurance.
 
The mandate doesn’t dictate what meats a deli carries, or what flowers a florist will carry, or what pasta the Olive Garden serves. It only mandates that they provide insurance to all of their employees if they meet certain criteria. In turn,** the insurance companies have to provide a comprehensive woman’s health package which includes ABCs coverage.** And as always, the employee gets to pick and choose which benefits they will use according to their needs.
Do you think it is wrong that the insurance company must provide a product like pork sandwiches that are not health care or insurance?

A product considered immoral by your employer that is not health care or insurance.
 
I’m not happy with a lot of the things the federal government sinks money into. Don’t get me going, Rence. I can’t help who they bomb, which conniving enemies they give foreign aid to, and what money they waste on stupid stuff. But this is different because it’s a frontal direct attack. Unfortunately, it’s one we, as Catholics, helped make possible with our disobedience and sloppiness. That has to end.
Tax money still pays for other peoples’ ABCs and people pay it without a fuss. I don’t see people refusing to pay their taxes because part of it pays for other peoples’ ABCs. There is no difference between this mandate and paying taxes: some of both goes to pay for other peoples’ ABCs.
 
If your insurance is a benefit your employer is being forced to pay for it. Same for eye care and massages.
Whatever benefits the employee gets, the employee pays for it too. It’s not like the employer pays it all. :rolleyes:
 
Do you think it is wrong that the insurance company must provide a product like ABC that is not health care or insurance?

A product considered immoral by your employer that is not health care or insurance.
ABCs is a component of women’s healthcare services and is healthcare. It would be immoral of me to use them, per the teachings of the Church. It is not immoral for a noncatholic to take advantage of these benefits according to the teachings of their religion. Most married people can use ABCs with limitations and guidance according to the teachings of their religion.
 
Do you think it is wrong that the insurance company must provide a product like pork sandwiches that are not health care or insurance?

A product considered immoral by your employer that is not health care or insurance.
Pork sandwiches are neither healthcare products, nor immoral…nor are they included in the healthcare mandate.
 
Pork sandwiches are neither healthcare products, nor immoral…nor are they included in the healthcare mandate.
They’re immoral for practicing Jews, even if they run delis. It’s an analogy, Rence.
 
ABCs is a component of women’s healthcare services and is healthcare. It would be immoral of me to use them, per the teachings of the Church. It is not immoral for a noncatholic to take advantage of these benefits according to the teachings of their religion. Most married people can use ABCs with limitations and guidance according to the teachings of their religion.
ABC is not healthcare, because a person does not need them to be healthy. They are a manufactured option that some people have learned to accept and desire like many other manufactured products.

It is immoral for the Church to teach that ABORTION, which is the real issue BTW, is wrong, and then procure abortions for its employees, no matter who the employees are. This is the real issue.

[BTW, I firmly believe that employees of Catholic institutions should be Catholics anyway. This SHOULD be a non-issue. This is a management issue, and IMHO, it’s been bungled beyond recognition and needs fixing ASAP.]
 
ABC is not healthcare, because a person does not need them to be healthy. They are a manufactured option that some people have learned to accept and desire like many other manufactured products.
It’s hard to take someone seriously who makes false claims that ABC is not healthcare because it is, and that’s the way it is. The fact is, it’s something the Catholic Church forbids. That fact doesn’t exclude it from being a component of healthcare.
[BTW, I firmly believe that employees of Catholic institutions should be Catholics anyway. This SHOULD be a non-issue. This is a management issue, and IMHO, it’s been bungled beyond recognition and needs fixing ASAP.]
That’s an unrealistic expectation, but I wouldn’t have a problem with it. By limiting their employees to Catholic only, Catholic universities and hospitals would be shooting themselves in the foot. There’s a big world out there, and not everyone is Catholic. Again, I have no problem with it. But the reason why they don’t only employ Catholics is because they know they’d be limiting themselves.
 
It’s hard to take someone seriously who makes false claims that ABC is not healthcare because it is, and that’s the way it is. The fact is, it’s something the Catholic Church forbids. That fact doesn’t exclude it from being a component of healthcare.
It’s not healthcare. It’s something you can buy, like a flea collar or a botox job or pierced ears, only more expensive and worse for you. The World Health Organization has classified oral contraceptives as a Class I Carcinogen. Did you know that? You can look it up.

who.int/reproductivehealth/topics/ageing/cocs_hrt_statement.pdf

You also keep dropping back to a discussion of birth control. What about ABORTION? That’s the REAL issue here.
That’s an unrealistic expectation, but I wouldn’t have a problem with it. By limiting their employees to Catholic only, Catholic universities and hospitals would be shooting themselves in the foot. There’s a big world out there, and not everyone is Catholic. Again, I have no problem with it. But the reason why they don’t only employ Catholics is because they know they’d be limiting themselves.
It doesn’t matter. We’re not in competition when it comes to offering those services, solely for the sake of the services, or or the $$$$$ we can haul in for those services. We do charity for another reason. We’re a RELIGION.
 
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