Why God didn't desire a universe without evil?

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God desired the world in which that happened.
That would not appear to be correct, then.

God desired a world where humanity would freely choose to worship Him. Negative consequences that arise from humanity frustrating that desire belong to humanity.

Those negative consequences are both foreseen and a result of the moral agency with which humanity was granted. But they were not desired by God, no.
 
To love is to desire what is best for someone. If you believe that God loves us he wants what is best for us. Evil is not best for us. So if God loves us, he would desire a universe without evil.
You left out the “love is not force and only exists in freedom” part.
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You either do not understand the Christian God or insist on a straw man.
 
Free will.
I wonder what does “free will” mean to you? A bunch of people said that free will a binary phenomenon: we are either “robots” or have “unlimited freedom”. Do you share this distinction? Or is you understanding more nuanced?
You don’t believe in free will?
All the reams of posting, and still you will not admit that human beings have free will.
Admit? What a strange word in this context. Whether we have free will or not is unknown and unknowable. (There is no experiment to decide it) I believe that we have a certain amount of freedom. In some aspects too much, in other ones not enough.
 
You left out the “love is not force and only exists in freedom” part.
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You either do not understand the Christian God or insist on a straw man.
According to my understanding of the Christian God, His nature IS love, and he cannot act against his nature (e.g. see St Anselm.)
 
If the idea of good and evil exists then the universe has good and evil.
Suppose God never created anything. Would God have the idea of good and evil? If so, would that mean evil exists in the universe where only God exists?
 
Suppose God never created anything. Would God have the idea of good and evil? If so, would that mean evil exists in the universe where only God exists?
God’s understanding is free from all succession which means, using our time terms, simultaneously understanding. If God creates nothing then there is no universe and no good and evil therein.
 
God’s understanding is free from all succession which means, using our time terms, simultaneously understanding. If God creates nothing then there is no universe and no good and evil therein.
Right. I apologize for equivocating on “universe.” In the second case I meant for universe to represent “everything that exists including God” where it is typically used to mean “everything that exists excluding God.”

To clarify my position I’ll posit a clearer scenario:

Imagine if God creates a world with no moral agents whatsoever (i.e. just rocks and space and stuff.) The idea of good and evil still exists (because God has it.) Does that mean that evil exists in that moral-agent-free universe?
 
Imagine if God creates a world with no moral agents whatsoever (i.e. just rocks and space and stuff.) The idea of good and evil still exists (because God has it.) Does that mean that evil exists in that moral-agent-free universe?
No. The potential for evil exists. But evil cannot exist unless someone commits an evil act, or takes active measures to commit an evil act.
 
According to my understanding of the Christian God, His nature IS love, and he cannot act against his nature (e.g. see St Anselm.)
Right. 🤷
Can you apply what you know to the discussion? (Assuming you understand what you know)
 
I wonder what does “free will” mean to you? A bunch of people said that free will a binary phenomenon: we are either “robots” or have “unlimited freedom”. Do you share this distinction? Or is you understanding more nuanced?

Admit? What a strange word in this context. Whether we have free will or not is unknown and unknowable. (There is no experiment to decide it) I believe that we have a certain amount of freedom. In some aspects too much, in other ones not enough.
Seriously, if you don’t understand what is meant by free will at this point it’s on you to do some reading and learning before discussing further.
 
Right. 🤷
Can you apply what you know to the discussion? (Assuming you understand what you know)
Certainly: according to real actual Catholic theology, it is impossible for God to not love us, and so your characterization of my point as a straw man is inaccurate. Second, since you were the one who brought up love in the first place, why don’t YOU explain whether or not your now-corrected understanding of God’s love was relevant to my point at all.
 
No. The potential for evil exists. But evil cannot exist unless someone commits an evil act, or takes active measures to commit an evil act.
By that rule good also applies in converse to good. But evil is considered negatively as the deprivation or absence of good, but one must have the idea of both together.

There is difference between the idea and the act of will. And for evil is of three kinds, physical, moral, and metaphysical. “Metaphysical evil is the limitation by one another of various component parts of the natural world.” - Catholic Encyclopedia

Thought, word, or deed: the serious intention to do, which is idealization with consent of the will, constitutes a loss of charity, which is evil.
 
Sure. If you defined everything that is not God as evil, creation is evil by virtue of not being God. I’m sure that’s why I’ve never heard anyone seriously hold the position that anything that is not God must be evil.
This is an important starting point. A created world is contingent and therefore is deprived of some level of perfection.

Those who ask: “Why didn’t God create a universe that is all-good”? are asking for a contradiction. A created world is necessarily not “all good” no matter what form it takes - only God is all perfection of good.

Because humans have the potential for growth, learning, moral improvement - means that they are “less good” than God. But this does not equate to evil.

It’s difficult to define the word “evil” in a universal sense. Just as you say, just because something is not God, doesn’t mean it is evil.
 
Seriously, if you don’t understand what is meant by free will at this point it’s on you to do some reading and learning before discussing further.
Oh, what a haughty attitude. There are several different ways to define free will. I use the concept of libertarian free will. I just don’t know what YOU mean by it. I even asked the specific question about it. But if you cannot tell me, what YOU mean by free will, then what is the point? It was YOU who used “free will” as a defense, when asked about the problem of evil.
 
It’s difficult to define the word “evil” in a universal sense.
Not at all. Evil is a volitional action which causes unnecessary, gratuitous harm to someone with a nervous system, and the one who commits this act is aware of the harm and intends to cause it. It is not synonymous with “harm”, or “hurt” or “bad”. It is not synonymous with “pain” or “suffering”. Not even with causing pain or suffering. The “volitional” and “knowing parts” are integral parts of “evil”.

The pseudo-definition of “evil is a privation of good” is nonsense. It would consider a cat playing with the mouse as “evil”. The phrase “natural evil” is also incorrect, even though it is widely used.
 
Right. I apologize for equivocating on “universe.” In the second case I meant for universe to represent “everything that exists including God” where it is typically used to mean “everything that exists excluding God.”

To clarify my position I’ll posit a clearer scenario:

Imagine if God creates a world with no moral agents whatsoever (i.e. just rocks and space and stuff.) The idea of good and evil still exists (because God has it.) Does that mean that evil exists in that moral-agent-free universe?
Evil is of three kinds, (physical, moral, and metaphysical). Is moral evil excluded from this discussion? For the other two:

“Metaphysical evil is the limitation by one another of various component parts of the natural world. … Pain, which is the test or criterion of physical evil, has indeed a positive, though purely subjective existence as a sensation or emotion; but its evil quality lies in its disturbing effect on the sufferer.” - Catholic Encyclopedia

Sharpe, A. (1909). Evil. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. newadvent.org/cathen/05649a.htm
 
This is an important starting point. A created world is contingent and therefore is deprived of some level of perfection.
This is a misconception. Necessity is not the same thing as “not created.” Necessity means that something could not have been otherwise. So, for example, if it were impossible for God to not create the world, then the world is both created and necessary.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysical_necessity
 
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