Why I am Drifting from Catholicism to Islam

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catharina said:
Get a clue. I’ve said nothing of the kind.
Any pretense that Christianity teaches hatred of Islam is a lie.
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Oh, believe me - I have a clue. I would say that maybe you should take your own advice.

Any pretense that we should ignore the facts would make you very happy. Sorry, but I cannot lie about islam. If you are unhappy about that - I don’t know what to tell you.

Look at jiihadwatch.org for daily news on it worldwide. go back into the archives and find the current history of violence perpetrated against Christians, jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc worldwide. What is happneing against the Hindus is particularly disturbing. Did you even know that a jihad was renewed against them late last year? I bet not. And they kidnap little girls to marry off and force to convert to islam.

islam still sanctions slavery. A couple is in jail here in the USA because they thought they could just bring their slaves here to the USA.
The persistence of slavery in islam:
jihadwatch.org/archives/017455.php

Slavery in islam: answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm

Anyway - you are wrong about the hatred. The only hatred I feel comes from the muslims themselves if we don’t buy their version of a ‘peaceful’ islam.
 
catharina said:
What I am saying, quite clearly, is that to promote disrespect of Isalm is to stand against Church Teaching. Deal with that, not with political fears and paranoia. Maybe pray more?
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No what you are saying is that you are looking for any reason to keep your head in the sand. 1400 years of history is NOT paranoia and I already showed you there are numerous Christian leaders who are speaking out against Islam.

As for the Palestinians. They are where they are in life by their own doings. The Jews gave them land and all they did was move the rockets closer to Israel and DESTROY the flourishing greenhouses that were left behind. All because the Jews made them. They voted in the terrorist group Hamas, and now deserve NO help from the outside world. Let other Muslims support them.
 
catharina said:
What I am saying, quite clearly, is that to promote disrespect of Isalm is to stand against Church Teaching. Deal with that, not with political fears and paranoia. Maybe pray more?
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I will state this again - do your own reading and find out that maybe we need to ask that the Church do the same. islam is not ‘peaceful’ nor does it have good intentions for us. Gee, muslims even declared a fatwa against our Pope. That certainly sounds peaceful (NOT!)

And don’t even go there with the ‘they are ignorant, uneducated, poor, etc’ stuff. We have captured more University students and professors, doctors, women who are ok with blowing up their children, and other middle to high level income people waging jihad. bin laden and his #2 guy are wealthy. His #2 guy was a doctor.

DO YOUR OWN READING! With the evidence in front of your face you will find that there is a very, big problem with islam.
 
R_not said:
Oh, believe me - I have a clue. I would say that maybe you should take your own advice.

Any pretense that we should ignore the facts would make you very happy. Sorry, but I cannot lie about islam. If you are unhappy about that - I don’t know what to tell you.

Look at jiihadwatch.org for daily news on it worldwide. go back into the archives and find the current history of violence perpetrated against Christians, jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc worldwide. What is happneing against the Hindus is particularly disturbing. Did you even know that a jihad was renewed against them late last year? I bet not. And they kidnap little girls to marry off and force to convert to islam.

islam still sanctions slavery. A couple is in jail here in the USA because they thought they could just bring their slaves here to the USA.
The persistence of slavery in islam:
jihadwatch.org/archives/017455.php

Slavery in islam: answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm

Anyway - you are wrong about the hatred. The only hatred I feel comes from the muslims themselves if we don’t buy their version of a ‘peaceful’ islam.
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I worked in an international children’s refuge in Chicago for several years. The children, from all over the world, lived together in PEACE. Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists, even a few animists (from Africa). Most of the “children” were teenaged boys. They lived together in peace and formed friendships because that was the defined expectation of all adults who worked there… (Bed count, every day of the week: 65 children)
 
catharina said:
I worked in an ionternational children’s refuge in Chicago for several years. The children, from all over the world, lived together in PEACE. Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists, even a few animists (from Africa). Most of the “children” were teenaged boys. They lived together in peace and formed friendships because that was the defined expectation of all adults who worked there… (Bed count, every day of the week: 65 children)
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That’s great, but the reality of it all is Islam is in a fight to the death with Christianity. Anyone else who thinks otherwise is in for a rude awakening.
 
The reality is that THE CHURCH teaches AGAINST the intolerance promoted here.

As long as readers know that the intoleant are NOT speaking as Catholics - great.
 
catharina said:
I worked in an ionternational children’s refuge in Chicago for several years. The children, from all over the world, lived together in PEACE. Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists, even a few animists (from Africa). Most of the “children” were teenaged boys. They lived together in peace and formed friendships because that was the defined expectation of all adults who worked there… (Bed count, every day of the week: 65 children)
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good for you. Now, open your eyes to the koran and hadiths and wake up. The stated goal is to establish sharia law in the USA - there will be no animists, Hindus, Buddhists (they have wiped them out in many Southeast Asian countries that have a muslim majority now - and are working on it in other countries where their numbers are growing). The hindus they are working on now too.

In the Middle East the muslims have exterminated the Zorastrians, and others of other pagan religions. they are working on the Jews now - and well, they also kill a lot of Christians too.

We can keep this peace in the USA if we KNOW islam because right now they are trying to indoctrinate our children. In the higher education institutions they have planted the MSA (muslim student association) that is directly related to the muslim brotherhood and funded by the wahabbi saudis. And the other levels they are actually teaching islam. Where is the ACLU? The outrage of the separation of Church and state is not being honored by muslims?! I suspect that the ACLU is getting saudi funds too - but I cannot prove that.

jihadwatch.org/archives/021375.php
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/004217.php
jihadwatch.org/archives/020289.php

do your own google search.

Your outrage is misdirected.
 
catharina said:
I worked in an international children’s refuge in Chicago for several years. The children, from all over the world, lived together in PEACE. Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists, even a few animists (from Africa). Most of the “children” were teenaged boys. They lived together in peace and formed friendships because that was the defined expectation of all adults who worked there… (Bed count, every day of the week: 65 children)
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So, what does that have to do with the way Christians are treated in Islamic countries? NOTHING.

What does that have to do with the ideology of Islam? NOTHING.
 
Right, speaking the truth is bashing.:rolleyes: YOU CANNOT change what Islam is.

Keeping ones head in the sand, is a serious worry to me.
 
catharina said:
The reality is that THE CHURCH teaches AGAINST the intolerance promoted here.

As long as readers know that the intoleant are NOT speaking as Catholics - great.
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I already showed you were CHURCH leaders are speaking out against Islam. Do you always aviod the truth, to make life easier for you?

To be tolerant of Islam, is to allow Islam to dominate us. That is another FACT, that YOU CANNOT CHANGE.

Christians like you are the reason Christians across the world suffer and get abused in Islamic countries. Because YOU are willing to tolerate it. What a nice person…
 
catharina said:
The reality is that THE CHURCH teaches AGAINST the intolerance promoted here.

As long as readers know that the intoleant are NOT speaking as Catholics - great.
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I am a Catholic. And I tell the truth about islam. and I find that ignorance is not very becoming of a Catholic. God gave me a brain and a will to use it. He led me via Catholic schools, and I was Confirmed as a soldier of Christ. And I will continue to do what is right in the face of misdirected outrage.

Self-righteous, judgemental opinions can also be said to be the same as unbecoming a Catholic.

If you want intolerance then maybe start READING!

I could have lived for years among muslims without knowing islam, the koran and its violence both past and present. Then my boyfriend came home from saudi arabia after seeing a woman be beheaded because she didn’t have 4 witnesses to help her, or the numerous hands lobbed off, etc. He came home and became a drunk.

When I was in the USMC, the muslims bombed our sailors and Marines in Beirut, and then so many kidnappings, attacks, etc against our citizens - then 9/11. I was talking with an Israeli gal and asked her ‘Why do they hate us?’. And she recommended ‘From Time Immemorial’ and from there I read the koran, hadiths, more books about mohammed and some aspect of islam than I can count. Yes, I know islam now. And until you read just 1/2 % of all of that - you are telling us to not tell the truth and that is wrong. That is helping evil grow.

Muslim’s stated goal to take us over by 2050

jihadwatch.org/archives/018733.php

This has been stated in books, youtube videos, and fatwas/jihads against us so many times and people like you are just putting their hands over their ears, closing your eyes and saying ‘lalalalalala… ad nauseum’ in the face of it all.
 
I think there comes a time when we have to back off and let her make a decision. Either she can start READING or she can continue to deny the truth. Either way - we have seen this before with some who have stated that they are either already converted to islam, such as sister amy, or another who says he is drifting to islam, wth1257.

I have given her so many websites to search for the truth - and she is chosing not to read them.
 
R_not said:
I think there comes a time when we have to back off and let her make a decision. Either she can start READING or she can continue to deny the truth. Either way - we have seen this before with some who have stated that they are either already converted to islam, such as sister amy, or another who says he is drifting to islam, wth1257.

I have given her so many websites to search for the truth - and she is chosing not to read them.
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Yep. Unsubstantiated opinion, no matter how strongly felt, does not equal fact.
 
wth1257 said:
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Ah, the young. I’m concerned with only your statement that you find the Holy Trinity an “egregious doctrine”, along with the crucifixion of course.

Originally Posted by wth1257
…Those are the two most egregious doctrines, though naturally there are a plethora of issues, however I have slept little and it is late.

That makes you a non-Christian entirely. No other “credential of Catholicness” means a whit. I do pray that you come to your senses, but you apparently left Christianity long ago.​

Cite me an official Church document to back up your claim here.
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CCC-234

234 The mystery of the Most Holy Trinity is the central mystery of Christian faith and life. It is the mystery of God in himself. It is therefore the source of all the other mysteries of faith, the light that enlightens them. It is the most fundamental and essential teaching in the “hierarchy of the truths of faith”. The whole history of salvation is identical with the history of the way and the means by which the one true God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, reveals himself to men “and reconciles and unites with himself those who turn away from sin”.

I expect no response to this, as folks such as yourself will always simply ignore that which they don’t like to see.
 
wth1257 said:
Scripture says the Satan believes in God,
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The Quran quotes Satan intending to lead astray all but a few. It also quotes demons praising the Quran.
Vatican II says Muslims Adore the one true God.
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It is by default. There is only One God. The words of allah of the Quran are not of God. Mohammed was not a legitiamte prophet of God.
Please do not conflate the two.
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Please understand the difference.
 
wth1257 said:
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I don’t judge your soul whatsoever. How have I done that?

You claimed I was never a real Christian, only ever a nominal Catholic(at best). The Gospels command Christian to correct their brothers when they are going down the wrong path, and to point out sin, lovingly, when necessary. The determination over weather I was a “nominal” Catholic or not is a judgment about my standing with God, something expressly forbidden in the Gospels.
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Describing you as a non-Catholic is not a judgement, but merely a description according to your own words.

You don’t believe in the Holy Trinity, therefore you are not even a Christian, much less a Catholic.

While that does indeed have ramifications for your “final disposition”, my intent was to describe you to yourself as you have described yourself to us, so that YOU have some data to use in making your decision as to what to believe in.

Your practicing “moslem simplemindedness” very well indeed, though, and should you choose that path the practice will help you in being a “good moslem”…
 
wth1257 said:
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How have you come to be so unbelieving in regards the very bases of Christianity after being so “INFLUENCED” by those very pious and pleasant people of the Church?

Because I have also know very pious and intelligent Jews, Muslims, and Protestants.

They are the one and single reason I remain in the Church at this point though.
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So, what is driving you from the Church?
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Most likely because SOMETHING scandalized you away from the Church
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Once again, WHAT is driving you from the Church, instead of driving you INTO the Church in your “troubles”?
 
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