Why I am Drifting from Catholicism to Islam

[morning_star777]

nobody here bash their faith.come on buddyits just discussion.so no one is bashing muslim’s faith.so don’t worry.but i saw that here muslim fellows always give up their rationality when they face the truth or some logical posts.hope u also understand that

 

[CatsAndDogs]

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perhaps my more “rough” truth-telling

You haven’t engaged in any truth telling whatsoever, you have publicly libeled me, make extraordinarily wrong assumptions about me and my personal experiences and trumpeted them as fact, and made numerous false claims about my spiritual life.

Well, you’ve certainly got the “poor little me” victimhood part of being a moslem down! Bravo.

I don’t know squat about you. I’m describing you as you have described youself. You are a non-Christian who is wandering toward becoming a moslem, and “sharing with us” that the Holy Trinity and the Crucifixion, which just HAPPEN to be the two MOST OFTEN Christian premises used to “sway the simpleminded” away from Christianity by moslems, are your TWO MOST INFLUENTIAL reasons for moving toward islam!

Coincidence?

 

[CatsAndDogs]

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My prayers are with you that your desire to bring people with you away from God in His fullness and into an at-best “natural law” relationship with Him will fall away.

You know, funny story, there was once this guy. A Jew by birth, brought up by a mother and stepfather. Anyway, when this Rabbi was about thirty he started preaching. Anyway, there was this band of pseudo Holy Men. They would pretend to pray, but use their public displays of devotion for non genuine motives. Anyway, this Rabbi didn’t like them to much

I wonder if using a public exposition of prayer/devotion to underhandedly levy false charges against someone, defame their character, and impugn their honesty would be much appreciated by that Rabbi

That wasn’t just a rabbi. That was God.

Did He call the pharisees what they were, or not?

Best to you on your path, little one.

 

[Lapell]

Are you drifting away from Christianity because you can’t understand the whole of the two doctrines you mentioned? (What makes you say they look quite “silly”? Just because they look quite “simple” doesn’t make them simplistic!)
If that were an essential reason, wth, ALL of us would not remain Catholics or even Christians at all…
That you can’t fully get the doctrine of the Trinity, or the fact that the Son of God, a divine person, could die on the cross for the sins of all mankind as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world is rather in the order of things. But it doesn’t keep you from believing in Him… We walk by faith, not by sight!
Is it really just because of these two doctrines, the fact that we can’t fully grasp them? As far as Truth is concerned, there should be more reasons than these.

 

[R_not]

Your practicing “moslem simplemindedness” very well indeed, though, and should you choose that path the practice will help you in being a “good moslem”…

hhmmm, maybe I will start a thread asking, What is a good muslim? Since they make into martyrs those who die killing Jews, Christians and other non-muslims, or way too many honor the likes of Arafat, bin Laden, the Ayatollahs, etc. Or that the ones that we call radical just follow mohammed’s example. Or that ‘moderates’ give to charities that support jihadists, their families and old jihadists - that our government figured out they were doing after 9/11 and shut down whenever they find them.

Who is the good muslim in this case:

1. “I was ordered to fight all men until they say ‘There is no god but Allah.’” prophet Mohammad’s farewell address, March 632
2. “I was ordered to fight the people until they say there is no god but Allah, and his prophet Mohammed.”

Osama bin Laden, Nov 2001

OR the moderates who tell us how peaceful islam is while atrocities are committed against infidels worldwide and nothing is done, but these same ‘moderates’ who will riot and kill over cartoons and movies - or dance and ulalate after 9/11 and then turn around and say it was the Jews who did that?

‘moderate muslim’ is a kafir term: frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=76B12F33-3165-47D1-80ED-C3F1ACD07D8A

It might be better to tell him to be a bad muslim.

One thing that bin Laden has already told us - that the recruiting of our own to make into jihadists is best so they blend in better.

 

[Lapell]

Are you drifting away from Christianity because you can’t understand the whole of the two doctrines you mentioned? (What makes you say they look quite “silly”? Just because they look quite “simple” doesn’t make them simplistic!)
If that were an essential reason, wth, ALL of us would not remain Catholics or even Christians at all…

Another thing which may have looked like a stumbling block for many is the Eucharist… Had you been among the disciples who heard Jesus speak about Him being the Bread of Life, I guess you would have been among those who would have left Him. When He saw many disciples leaving Him, He didn’t run after them saying: “Hey, come back! I was just speaking symbolically!”
Not only He didn’t do that, but as a matter of fact, He stuck to His teaching to the end. He even asked the Twelve if they would leave Him too. Why did they stick to Jesus even then? Even if they did not understand everything?

 

[inJESUS]

I was just watching on our Catholic channel a conversation about both religions, Christianity and Islam represented by a priest and a sheikh and people call to ask questions. Some called from Saudi Arabic to tell simply : we chose Christianity, why should we be killed? the sheikh answered later : these are people “without religion” because they change…if they change means they are manipulative of religions! the commentator and priest were like :ehh: so the priest asked : and if a Christian converted, is he manipulative too? the sheikh smiled. Then the sheikh said, the ridda (killing) no longer exists when a month ago another sheikh said the opposite.

Another called from SA and said he converted to Christianity but nowhere does the Quran say that people should ban the scriptures so why is it the case in Saudi Arabia ? the sheikh said that 's not true, the Bible exists in Saudi Arabia and studied by scholars!..to which the priest answered : yes but it;s the Barnaba gospel ! so the sheikh replies : it’s a gospel after all! i was like :banghead: is he serious ? is that a response from a scholar and qadi ?

and when talking about wars , who are the infidels, and who is the authority in Islam ,who judges who is an ennemy to Islam and who is not, now here started the turning round the bush that i felt like calling and telling the sheikh, we know your intentions are good and you want to reconcile things, but not pleeeeeeeeeae stop lying it’s so obvious !

after all it wasn’t a debate but a conversation, but that;s the level of answers we got tonight.

 

[R_not]

I was just watching on our Catholic channel a conversation about both religions, Christianity and Islam represented by a priest and a sheikh and people call to ask questions. Some called from Saudi Arabic to tell simply : we chose Christianity, why should we be killed? the sheikh answered later : these are people “without religion” because they change…if they change means they are manipulative of religions! the commentator and priest were like :ehh: so the priest asked : and if a Christian converted, is he manipulative too? the sheikh smiled. Then the sheikh said, the ridda (killing) no longer exists when a month ago another sheikh said the opposite.

Another called from SA and said he converted to Christianity but nowhere does the Quran say that people should ban the scriptures so why is it the case in Saudi Arabia ? the sheikh said that 's not true, the Bible exists in Saudi Arabia and studied by scholars!..to which the priest answered : yes but it;s the Barnaba gospel ! so the sheikh replies : it’s a gospel after all! i was like :banghead: is he serious ? is that a response from a scholar and qadi ?

and when talking about wars , who are the infidels, and who is the authority in Islam ,who judges who is an ennemy to Islam and who is not, now here started the turning round the bush that i felt like calling and telling the sheikh, we know your intentions are good and you want to reconcile things, but not pleeeeeeeeeae stop lying it’s so obvious !

after all it wasn’t a debate but a conversation, but that;s the level of answers we got tonight.

 

[R_not]

I was just watching on our Catholic channel a conversation about both religions, Christianity and Islam represented by a priest and a sheikh and people call to ask questions. Some called from Saudi Arabic to tell simply : we chose Christianity, why should we be killed? the sheikh answered later : these are people “without religion” because they change…if they change means they are manipulative of religions! the commentator and priest were like :ehh: so the priest asked : and if a Christian converted, is he manipulative too? the sheikh smiled. Then the sheikh said, the ridda (killing) no longer exists when a month ago another sheikh said the opposite.

Another called from SA and said he converted to Christianity but nowhere does the Quran say that people should ban the scriptures so why is it the case in Saudi Arabia ? the sheikh said that 's not true, the Bible exists in Saudi Arabia and studied by scholars!..to which the priest answered : yes but it;s the Barnaba gospel ! so the sheikh replies : it’s a gospel after all! i was like :banghead: is he serious ? is that a response from a scholar and qadi ?

and when talking about wars , who are the infidels, and who is the authority in Islam ,who judges who is an ennemy to Islam and who is not, now here started the turning round the bush that i felt like calling and telling the sheikh, we know your intentions are good and you want to reconcile things, but not pleeeeeeeeeae stop lying it’s so obvious !

after all it wasn’t a debate but a conversation, but that;s the level of answers we got tonight.

Can you tell us exactly what program this was?

I would like to listen to it in the future.

I will also say - with the first comments of the sheik - and then your comment that they want to reconcile - I don’t believe that is the case at all. The guy was there just to show how ‘peaceful’ and ‘benign’ islam is.

When they have a concerted effort to stop the slaughter worldwide, to stop the descrimination of dhimmi in their lands by changing their sharia laws, let Christian and Jews and whomever of what religion build churches and if a muslim wants to convert and question their religion - do not make it a death sentence. Until then, it is just the same old ‘lip service’ and personally, we should all be tired of it. (but we read so often that way too many people are still believing it)

If I hear what I think I will be hearing - there will be an emailing campaign going on - if I can get one started in my chapter - to start asking the Catholic ‘scholars’ to start learning about islam so as not to endanger anymore of our people by thinking that appeasing them is going to stop their imperialistic goals and slaughter of all non-muslims.

 

[R_not]

inJesus, if the channel is not EWTN, then we might not get it here in the USA.

And I have actually heard this type of thing before - to give the people a false sense of security. And when the word is out that so and so converted - they might be in danger. In saudi arabia - nothing has changed that anyone here has heard of. We would know that almost right off - and believe me, the latest news out of saudi is when one of the saudis was actually more moderate and said why not let Christians practice their religion openly - he was beheaded.

 

[inJESUS]

R-Not,

it’s in Arabic so even if you got the channel via satellite in the States, you won’t understand a word

 

[dolphinlove]

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these threads always get interesting when i go to bed.
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[catharina]

I already showed you were CHURCH leaders are speaking out against Islam. Do you always aviod the truth, to make life easier for you?

To be tolerant of Islam, is to allow Islam to dominate us. That is another FACT, that YOU CANNOT CHANGE.

Christians like you are the reason Christians across the world suffer and get abused in Islamic countries. Because YOU are willing to tolerate it. What a nice person…

Well. Just checked your profile and see that your not Catholic - so your Church leaders are not my Church leaders. In fact, from your previous post:

Rod Parsley, Despite his call for the U.S. to win the "hearts and minds of the Islamic world," Sen. John McCain recruited the support of an evangelical minister who describes Islam as "anti-Christ" and Mohammed as "the mouthpiece of a conspiracy of spiritual evil." 

[abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4905624&page=1](http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4905624&page=1)


Pastor Hagee on Islam,  I was greatly blessed by Pastor Hagee's teachings on Islam wherein he gives an accurate portrayal of the Quran, the injunction of Allah to kill infidels and the devotion of Muslims to be martyrs.  Swaggart Jr on Islam actually sells the book "Because They Hate".  There are more speaking out against Islam, like the POPE. But I guess you know better.

Rod Parsley: who cares?
Pastor Hagee: anti-Catholic to the core.
The Swaggarts: anti-Catholic to the core.

They’re not my Church leaders, and thanks be to God.

As I posted (while you were composing a new rant?): "the Holy Father, Pope Bendict XVI, spoke days ago to the bishops of Bangladesh and said this:

""Finally, the Pope insisted that the bishops must “persevere with patient dedication” on the path of interfaith dialogue, which is an “essential component of the Church’s mission.”

In fact, “much good can be accomplished when it is conducted in a spirit of mutual understanding and collaboration in truth and freedom. All men and women have an obligation to seek the truth. When it is found, they are compelled to model their entire lives in accordance with its demands (cf Dignitatis Humanae, 2). Consequently, the most important contribution we can bring to inter-religious dialogue is our knowledge of Jesus of Nazareth.”

Indeed, “[d]ialogue, based on mutual respect and truth, cannot fail to have a positive influence on the social climate of your country. The delicacy of this task requires thorough preparation of clergy and lay people, first of all by offering them a deeper knowledge of their own faith and then by helping them to grow in their understanding of Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism and the other religions present in your region.”"

I gave the news link in a previous post.
Guess you only read “anti-” stuff?

Your notion of “Church leaders” is far removed from mine.
It’s a relief to know that your anti-Islam bash is not coming from a Catholic.

 

[catharina]

good for you. Now, open your eyes to the koran and hadiths and wake up. The stated goal is to establish sharia law in the USA - there will be no animists, Hindus, Buddhists (they have wiped them out in many Southeast Asian countries that have a muslim majority now - and are working on it in other countries where their numbers are growing). The hindus they are working on now too.

In the Middle East the muslims have exterminated the Zorastrians, and others of other pagan religions. they are working on the Jews now - and well, they also kill a lot of Christians too.

We can keep this peace in the USA if we KNOW islam because right now they are trying to indoctrinate our children. In the higher education institutions they have planted the MSA (muslim student association) that is directly related to the muslim brotherhood and funded by the wahabbi saudis. And the other levels they are actually teaching islam. Where is the ACLU? The outrage of the separation of Church and state is not being honored by muslims?! I suspect that the ACLU is getting saudi funds too - but I cannot prove that.

jihadwatch.org/archives/021375.php
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/004217.php
jihadwatch.org/archives/020289.php

do your own google search.

Your outrage is misdirected.

Good to know that you want to align yourself with the ACLU. (!??)

Far better if you aligned yourself with the teachings of the Catholic Church - since you claim to be Catholic, that is. (Speak all you want against terrorism.

(Who isn’t against it, BTW. Doooh.)
Just don’t speak against ISLAM as a CATHOLIC.

Our Church teaches in exact oppositon to your posted rage regarding Islam.
Oops - maybe you don’t care?

 

[catharina]

I am a Catholic. And I tell the truth about islam. and I find that ignorance is not very becoming of a Catholic. God gave me a brain and a will to use it. He led me via Catholic schools, and I was Confirmed as a soldier of Christ. And I will continue to do what is right in the face of misdirected outrage.

Self-righteous, judgemental opinions can also be said to be the same as unbecoming a Catholic.

If you want intolerance then maybe start READING!

I could have lived for years among muslims without knowing islam, the koran and its violence both past and present. Then my boyfriend came home from saudi arabia after seeing a woman be beheaded because she didn’t have 4 witnesses to help her, or the numerous hands lobbed off, etc. He came home and became a drunk.

When I was in the USMC, the muslims bombed our sailors and Marines in Beirut, and then so many kidnappings, attacks, etc against our citizens - then 9/11. I was talking with an Israeli gal and asked her ‘Why do they hate us?’. And she recommended ‘From Time Immemorial’ and from there I read the koran, hadiths, more books about mohammed and some aspect of islam than I can count. Yes, I know islam now. And until you read just 1/2 % of all of that - you are telling us to not tell the truth and that is wrong. That is helping evil grow.

Muslim’s stated goal to take us over by 2050

jihadwatch.org/archives/018733.php

This has been stated in books, youtube videos, and fatwas/jihads against us so many times and people like you are just putting their hands over their ears, closing your eyes and saying ‘lalalalalala… ad nauseum’ in the face of it all.

Yeah, you sure have been studying up on your Catholic Faith. NOT.

 

[catharina]

I think there comes a time when we have to back off and let her make a decision. Either she can start READING or she can continue to deny the truth. Either way - we have seen this before with some who have stated that they are either already converted to islam, such as sister amy, or another who says he is drifting to islam, wth1257.

I have given her so many websites to search for the truth - and she is chosing not to read them.

Wow. Are you seriously delusional?
Only SLIGHTLY delusional?

You’re Catholic?
I’m Catholic and 62 yrs old and put in my time with the military during Vietnam.

You think I (who’ve known for 55 years that the Catholic Church forbids us to stand against Jews, other Christians and Moslems), am going to fold at the sad story of your alcoholic boyfriend. If people came home from the MidEast, incredibly grateful for the Christian Faith, willing to thank God endlessly for this gift that is ours, then all would be better off. Toss me a new Vaticam website and I’ll read it. Toss me a Hate Page and I won’t. Why do you?

Ah, sweet youth. (?)

 

[catharina]

Thank you for your kind note.
I’d have answered sooner but had to go to work.

As for the bashing (and HATE-MONGERING) on this thread, I can and do promise this: it is being done in OPPOSITION to the teachings of the Catholic Church.

I notice that you’re Catholic so I think your already know that. I wonder why others CHOOSE to ignore the teaching - always looking for a whipping boy, a scapegoat, a hatred that is OUT THERE rather the hatred that is being fed within their own souls? Who knows?

 

[dolphinlove]

Good to know that you want to align yourself with the ACLU. (!??)

Far better if you aligned yourself with the teachings of the Catholic Church - since you claim to be Catholic, that is. (Speak all you want against terrorism.

(Who isn’t against it, BTW. Doooh.)
Just don’t speak against ISLAM as a CATHOLIC.

Our Church teaches in exact oppositon to your posted rage regarding Islam.
Oops - maybe you don’t care?

And as far as your sarcasm goes, it goes to how much you follow the Catholic doctrine and teachings yourself.
Remember this teaching from Jesus:
John 8:7 Let the one among you who is guiltless be the first to throw a stone at her.’

We are pointing out the misinformation been given on the sites about Islam, not accusing the people of been bad people.
There is a difference.

 

[catharina]

hhmmm, maybe I will start a thread asking, What is a good muslim? Since they make into martyrs those who die killing Jews, Christians and other non-muslims, or way too many honor the likes of Arafat, bin Laden, the Ayatollahs, etc. Or that the ones that we call radical just follow mohammed’s example. Or that ‘moderates’ give to charities that support jihadists, their families and old jihadists - that our government figured out they were doing after 9/11 and shut down whenever they find them.

Who is the good muslim in this case:

1. “I was ordered to fight all men until they say ‘There is no god but Allah.’” prophet Mohammad’s farewell address, March 632
2. “I was ordered to fight the people until they say there is no god but Allah, and his prophet Mohammed.”

Osama bin Laden, Nov 2001

OR the moderates who tell us how peaceful islam is while atrocities are committed against infidels worldwide and nothing is done, but these same ‘moderates’ who will riot and kill over cartoons and movies - or dance and ulalate after 9/11 and then turn around and say it was the Jews who did that?

‘moderate muslim’ is a kafir term: frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=76B12F33-3165-47D1-80ED-C3F1ACD07D8A

It might be better to tell him to be a bad muslim.

One thing that bin Laden has already told us - that the recruiting of our own to make into jihadists is best so they blend in better.

As I said:
hate terrorism, not Islam.

Any time you see fit to post links to Church documents re Islam - hey, do it.

 

[wth1257]

The Quran quotes Satan intending to lead astray all but a few. It also quotes demons praising the Quran.

I’m clearly referring to the Bible, unless there is a Surah named “James” I am unaware of

It is by default. There is only One God. The words of allah of the Quran are not of God. Mohammed was not a legitiamte prophet of God.

I never claimed that, I said Vatican II affirmed that Muslims adore the One True God.

Please understand the difference.

It’s artificial