Why I am Drifting from Catholicism to Islam

[CatsAndDogs]

Just out of curiousity, Jharek, how long has Ireland been your family’s country, as you seem to claim it as your country?

 

[R_not]

This is news to me, care to be specific?

Well, one example are posts #275 and 276.

There are other examples out there that others respond to. Nothing against islam is being read, so how can a discussion ensue? What muslims do worldwide says it all about islam. Its history, its own koran, hadiths and prophet - all prove what islam is - it is about death or the subjugation of infidels.

I just posted about some more riots they are doing in France. No mainstream media will report it, but I go to alternative sites, or else one will be deaf, dumb and blind as to what muslims do worldwide against infidels.

It is like talking in circles with you and Catharina. Nothing is read - and you two think you are the informed ones while condemning me. Well, condemnation from you two don’t phase me at all. It is the usual stuff when people speak up about islam. There are so many that will defend the indefensible and the intolerant ones.

Too bad Catharina didn’t study up on tactics in the military. I did. And terror and intimidation is only a couple of tactics that are being used. In a stealth jihad - using political correctness and our laws against us - is another couple of tactics. there are many others, such as deception being a very well used tactic. And it is sanctioned in the koran.

Oh, but gee - we are not allowed to read the koran if we listen to Catharina. According to her we are to stay ignorant of their STATED goals of islamicizing the USA, Europe, Canada, etc. Basically, they have stated many times that their goal is the world. We think that giving them more land because they are unable to live with infidels (even though we are expected to tolerate and live with them). Look at the history of Pakistan/India/Kashmir, or Israel/the Gaza/Jerusalem/the Golan Heights, or the Philippines. Or better yet - the whole of the Middle East!

If we chose not to read, then we find out that muslim peace treaties are not to last longer than 10 years and are to be broken when the muslims are rearmed/regrouped. we have seen this time and again in regards to the Israelis.

 

[catharina]

Is to describe islam to bash islam?

Islam is not to be bashed, but it is certainly to be described to those interested in a non-Christian view of it.

You, and anyone else of course, are more than welcome to refute any supposedly false descriptions of islam, but to say that as Catholics we’re prohibited from describing it is truly amazing, and certainly NOT a “Catholic Imperative”.

What is your basis for saying this? Where does it say we must say only nice things about islam?

Please be specific. Thanks.

Specifically, read Post # 460 and follow the directions.

You’re welcome.

 

[R_not]

Thank you, yes.

Hwever, r-not who says she’s Catholic is into spreading negativity toward Islam.
She seems to believe that she is the exception to Church Teaching in this area. (?)

get over it. I believe in Jesus Christ, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, etc…

As for islam, it is a ‘not nice’ ‘religion’ that is a political movement that uses religion as a front. It is imperialistic in nature and has no laws for the infidels when they succeed in making sharia law the law of the land.

 

[catharina]

Just out of curiousity, Jharek, how long has Ireland been your family’s country, as you seem to claim it as your country?

Vile post

Now, try this one: Just out of curiousity how long has Catholicism been in your family since you seem to claim it as your religion.

 

[catharina]

get over it. I believe in Jesus Christ, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, etc…

As for islam, it is a ‘not nice’ ‘religion’ that is a political movement that uses religion as a front. It is imperialistic in nature and has no laws for the infidels when they succeed in making sharia law the law of the land.

Hmmmm - your version of the Creed skips a few points. Ya’ notice that.

It’s more truthfully said that a political movement is using Islam for nefarious purposes.

 

[exoflare]

What’s so difficult about moving you guys’ own little tangent conversation to another thread?! Sheesh.

 

[R_not]

TAKE OFF YOUR BLINDERS.

Speaking AGAINST Islam is forbidden by the Church.
Pull yourself together and re-read this thread.
The documents of Vaticn II are quoted.
The Holy Father is quoted.

ISLAM is defined as ONE of the THREE great religions that worship ONE GOD.

YOO-HOO? At this time (and at your age, if you’re an adult), ignorance is no excuse.

Here is one to really pop your cork.

Introduction to basic facts of history:

Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far back as 2000 BC.
In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah.
This Hubal was a moon god.
One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world:
About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr bin Lahyo … a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim)
The moon god was also referred to as “al-ilah”. This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning “the god”. Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as “al-ilah”.
“al-ilah” was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD.
There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as “Allah”.
When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name “Hubal” but retained the generic “Allah”.
Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms.
Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god.
Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism.
Hubal the moon god of the Kabah

Allah the moon god of the Kabah

Remnants of pagan Moon god worship in the Koran

Pre-Islamic Origin of the word Allah

Photogallery of the ancient history of Moon god worship

Modern usage of moon god symbols in Islam today.

The Bible condemns moon god worship

Islam is repackaged polytheism.
Islam is paganism in monotheistic wrapping paper.
Islam is veiled neo-polytheism.

 

[R_not]

What’s so difficult about moving you guys’ own little tangent conversation to another thread?! Sheesh.

This happens whenever one discusses islam. There are people unable to cope with the facts about islam. Then the personal attacks ensue. Most don’t keep abreast of the current news concerning islam. I do. I have studied the koran, hadiths, mohammed and its violent history.

Some are unable to deal with that. They call what I post about islam hateful - well, I don’t recall myself going out and rioting, or beheading anyone, or even saying they can’t build their mosque (even if most of them are wahabbi saudi funded), practice their religion - at home or the mosque, not in our schools!, or dress in tents and scarves. I don’t care about that stuff.

I will post stuff like this:
“KILL EVERY JEW” - Muhammad (Ishaq)

“ALLAH DESIRES KILLING TO MANIFEST ISLAM” - Muhammad

“ALLAH HATES YOU FOR ASKING TOO MANY QUESTIONS” - Muhammad (Hadith Bukhari)

Which is not my words - it is their own prophet’s words. this is what they are about and we see it used against so many worldwide. I suppose it is easy to just go back into the cave that these peole are in and deny that it is happening and pretend it won’t happen here. oops, it is already happening here - they have the MSA, pray like a muslim day, successfully getting things segregated because they think infidels are dirty, and look at all the court cases of University professors, students, doctors, etc - caught in some sort of jihad against us - the planning and charities, etc - all being caught.

We have a school caught teaching hatred against us. this is the latest news on it.

saudiwatch.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/tuesday-june-17-demonstration-to-demand-islamic-academy-investigation/

There are other muslim schools under scrutiny also - some in Michigan and elsewhere. It is quite pervasive.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

Quote:
Originally Posted by CatsAndDogs
Is to describe islam to bash islam?

Islam is not to be bashed, but it is certainly to be described to those interested in a non-Christian view of it.

You, and anyone else of course, are more than welcome to refute any supposedly false descriptions of islam, but to say that as Catholics we’re prohibited from describing it is truly amazing, and certainly NOT a “Catholic Imperative”.

What is your basis for saying this? Where does it say we must say only nice things about islam?

Please be specific. Thanks.

Specifically, read Post # 460 and follow the directions.

You’re welcome.

…and this is your post#460:
TAKE OFF YOUR BLINDERS.

Speaking AGAINST Islam is forbidden by the Church.
Pull yourself together and re-read this thread.
The documents of Vaticn II are quoted.
The Holy Father is quoted.

ISLAM is defined as ONE of the THREE great religions that worship ONE GOD.

YOO-HOO? At this time (and at your age, if you’re an adult), ignorance is no excuse.

Now, HOW is that specific?

Islam is “GREAT” in that it is HUGE. It has quite a few members.
Islam does indeed claim to be MONOTHEISTIC. It is monotheistic because it is a Christian heresy, actually more a bag of Christian heresies with many syncretistic admixes. It is also monotheistic because what truth there is in islam, which is there specifically to make it more palatable to “normal human beings”, is gleaned from natural law and from the revelation of the Church, which massively points to God as One.

So it is GREAT in size, and worships ONE God, but is it not describable otherwise in it’s errors?

Please provide citations within the documents you’ve mentioned to show me that it’s not permitted to describe islam’s errors.

I KNOW you won’t do this, but should you do it will be most gratefully appreciated.

Since you are making categorical statements, it is YOUR repsonsibility to back up what YOU say. Please do so, or be seen as the troll you constantly appear to be.

Thanks again.

 

[dolphinlove]

That is a lie, a number of the Islamaphobe band has attacked Muslims, not Islam. Look at R_Not’s posts he does it on a regular basis

I am not allowed to lie, however, the path your treading will allow you to lie freely.
I have friends that are muslim, it does not mean i think what they believe and what they are taught are true, however, i will admit, quite a large number of muslims are brainwashed and just would as soon look at me and want to kill for the simple fact im a Christian!

 

[dolphinlove]

Basically, i want to know who are you people to judge us, the ones that actually stand up and show the truth of what Islam is!
We show the truth, the foundation and what Islam really is, do you have a problem with that? I certainly dont, i want to know what threats are in this world.

 

[R_not]

I am not allowed to lie, however, the path your treading will allow you to lie freely.
I have friends that are muslim, it does not mean i think what they believe and what they are taught are true, however, i will admit, quite a large number of muslims are brainwashed and just would as soon look at me and want to kill for the simple fact im a Christian!

You are right.

And it is that simple. It took me a lot of reading to find that out.

 

[dolphinlove]

You are right.

And it is that simple. It took me a lot of reading to find that out.

And yet people think we wear blinkers!

 

[catharina]

Here is one to really pop your cork.

Introduction to basic facts of history:

Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far back as 2000 BC.
In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah.
This Hubal was a moon god.
One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world:
About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr bin Lahyo … a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim)
The moon god was also referred to as “al-ilah”. This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning “the god”. Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as “al-ilah”.
“al-ilah” was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD.
There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as “Allah”.
When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name “Hubal” but retained the generic “Allah”.
Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms.
Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god.
Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism.
Hubal the moon god of the Kabah

Allah the moon god of the Kabah

Remnants of pagan Moon god worship in the Koran

Pre-Islamic Origin of the word Allah

Photogallery of the ancient history of Moon god worship

Modern usage of moon god symbols in Islam today.

The Bible condemns moon god worship

Islam is repackaged polytheism.
Islam is paganism in monotheistic wrapping paper.
Islam is veiled neo-polytheism.

Have to guess you have your own addiction: spewing hatred about Islam.

Tell you what (speaking of history and education and such): if you ever become a really big girl, all grown up and everything and you earn a few worthwhile degrees - like in Theology and Philosophy and maybe, even History - and then you can decide that you might be fit to teach others about faith and THEN, get back to me. Until then you’re simply one more hysteric with a serious need to hate/blame/insult other religions - and that behavior is totally contrary to the teachings of your stated (but not really accepted?) Church.

Guess you didn’t learn much as a little ‘Catholic’ tyke either.

 

[wth1257]

CCC-234

234 The mystery of the Most Holy Trinity is the central mystery of Christian faith and life. It is the mystery of God in himself. It is therefore the source of all the other mysteries of faith, the light that enlightens them. It is the most fundamental and essential teaching in the “hierarchy of the truths of faith”. The whole history of salvation is identical with the history of the way and the means by which the one true God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, reveals himself to men “and reconciles and unites with himself those who turn away from sin”.

I expect no response to this, as folks such as yourself will always simply ignore that which they don’t like to see.

Ah, the young. I’m concerned with only your statement that you find the Holy Trinity an “egregious doctrine”, along with the crucifixion of course.

That makes you a non-Christian entirely. No other “credential of Catholicness” means a whit. I do pray that you come to your senses, but you apparently left Christianity long ago.*

I know the Trinity is fundamental to Church Doctrine, I have not renounced it as false. I have said, have always said, and always will said that my criticisms were an emotional, cathartic expression of frustration.

You’re citation has nothing to do with my request, cite a document that gives the criteria for one being excommunicated from the Church, and prove I meet those criteria. I was Baptized, so I clearly WAS a Christian, not even you can deny that(though you actually did), now show me where I was excommunicated.

 

[wth1257]

Describing you as a non-Catholic is not a judgement, but merely a description according to your own words.

No, describing my beliefs as heterodox is a description.

You don’t believe in the Holy Trinity, therefore you are not even a Christian, much less a Catholic.

I SAID I HAVE DIFFICULTIES WITH THE TRINITY, AND THAT IS A PRIMARY REASONE FOR MY DRIFT FROM CATHOLICISM TO ISLAM

I don’t know how to be more clear. You are projecting quite a bit onto what I say and write.

While that does indeed have ramifications for your “final disposition”, my intent was to describe you to yourself as you have described yourself to us, so that YOU have some data to use in making your decision as to what to believe in.

:tiphat:

Your practicing “moslem simplemindedness” very well indeed, though, and should you choose that path the practice will help you in being a “good moslem”…

And the insults against Muslim come in again, how formulaic

 

[catharina]

This is the internet. People are gonna say what they want.
It’s an anonymous and safe way to be really ugly.

My point is this. If anyone presents “attitude” against Islam and also tries to pretend that he/she is free to do that as a CATHOLIC, I’m here to say: THAT’S A LIE.

It’s SO simple.

 

[wth1257]

This is the internet. People are gonna say what they want.
It’s an anonymous and safe way to be really ugly.

My point is this. If anyone presents “attitude” against Islam and also tries to pretend that he/she is free to do that as a CATHOLIC, I’m here to say: THAT’S A LIE.

It’s SO simple.

I know fully know the Church and body of true Christian is far to Holy to be legitimately conflated with such garbage

 

[Glaucon]

Tell you what (speaking of history and education and such): if you ever become a really big girl, all grown up and everything and you earn a few worthwhile degrees - like in Theology and Philosophy and maybe, even History - and then you can decide that you might be fit to teach others about faith and THEN, get back to me.

Gee, I wonder what’s the point in teaching violent people nicely when they wouldn’t even listen? Or being nice and tolerent to them just so they could take advantage of us?

catharina, you’re being willfully naive, and even worse, you’re acting like a full-fledged DHIMMI… Ya know what that is? Here, you’ve earned another pic.

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Stephen Colbert is appalled by your naivete.

And no, it’s not that simple. It’s not that simple.

YOU DHIMMI. Now go pay the jizya already.