Why I reject Jesus

[Godlovestrength]

The one I know is the Word of God, a splitting image of my gentle merciful Father. Actually no, not a splitting image … the Father Himself, his love incarnate.

If we have reached an understanding then I would like to pursue it and clear things up …

did you know the name of the Father’s word is Yahshua meaning GOD IS SALVATION?

that speaks volumes to me … just look at God’s Word and you see a complete guide to happiness

From my point of view, I think that you have a relationship with God that could be deep (very deep). I don’t think it is up to anyperson to judge that, but maybe to ask the Holy Spirit to guid them into understanding how your relationship with God really works, or is for you.
I also believe that in a number of these threads, they carry on far too long and that they might or possibly are taking people off the mark. Meening that people could be becomming lead off the mark of keeping God as the centre, and relating to the person.

i hope that you find peace in loving God and can relate your relationship without the influence of others.

Godbless

 

[Godlovestrength]

The one I know is the Word of God, a splitting image of my gentle merciful Father. Actually no, not a splitting image … the Father Himself, his love incarnate.

If we have reached an understanding then I would like to pursue it and clear things up …

did you know the name of the Father’s word is Yahshua meaning GOD IS SALVATION?

that speaks volumes to me … just look at God’s Word and you see a complete guide to happiness

From my point of view, I think that you have a relationship with God that could be deep (very deep). I don’t think it is up to anyperson to judge that, but maybe to ask the Holy Spirit to guid them into understanding how your relationship with God really works, or is for you.
I also believe that in a number of these threads, they carry on far too long and that they might or possibly are taking people off the mark. Meaning that people could be becomming lead off the mark of keeping God as the centre, and relating to the person.

i hope that you find peace in loving God and can relate your relationship without the influence of others.

Godbless

 

[Godlovestrength]

The one I know is the Word of God, a splitting image of my gentle merciful Father. Actually no, not a splitting image … the Father Himself, his love incarnate.

If we have reached an understanding then I would like to pursue it and clear things up …

did you know the name of the Father’s word is Yahshua meaning GOD IS SALVATION?

that speaks volumes to me … just look at God’s Word and you see a complete guide to happiness

From my point of view, I think that you have a relationship with God that could be deep (very deep). I don’t think it is up to anyperson to judge that, but maybe to ask the Holy Spirit to guid them into understanding how your relationship with God really works, or is for you.
I also believe that in a number of these threads, they carry on far too long and that they might or possibly are taking people off the mark. Meaning that people could be becomming lead off the mark of keeping God as the centre, and relating to the person.

i hope that you find peace in loving God and can relate your relationship without the influence of others.

Godbless

 

[Tonks40]

From my point of view, I think that you have a relationship with God that could be deep (very deep). I don’t think it is up to anyperson to judge that, but maybe to ask the Holy Spirit to guid them into understanding how your relationship with God really works, or is for you.
I also believe that in a number of these threads, they carry on far too long and that they might or possibly are taking people off the mark. Meaning that people could be becomming lead off the mark of keeping God as the centre, and relating to the person.

i hope that you find peace in loving God and can relate your relationship without the influence of others.

Godbless

I agree. Her knowledge of the Lord is deep.

I stand by what I said about your understanding of Jesus, Uglygal. He is God’s Word Incarnate! He does flow from Love. I’m glad that you’ve progressed so far in knowing who Christ is. I hope now that with this new understanding you can see things in a whole new light and read again about His Life in scripture. Shed all those fragmented and disjointed notions of Jesus you feel Catholics hold. This is not the complete picture and like I said, it often times cannot be adequately expressed in a forum such as this.

His Love for us is so great that he suffered and died for us. I also hope that when you see Catholics talk about Christ and His Church, we do so with the understanding that we know who He is. It all comes back to God.

May God continue to bless you abundantly!

 

[mercygate]

I’ve done a great deal of work in the field of counseling and spiritual direction. I do believe that we have to be careful on these threads that we do not cross the line. Sometimes the best response is to refer someone to a counselor or a spiritual director and leave it at that.

What he said.
Beautifulgal is expressing things in faith terms that appear to be far more global.

Hey, Beautiful! You are NOT the first or only person to feel like this. And there IS hope. “Religion” is not a superstitious cure-all but an existential response to reality. God love ya. The answers you are seeking will be found by integrating the whole picture: psychological, religious, intellectual and moral. It will not happen in a day.
:console:

 

[antonyfatima]

God the Father is Love - Jesus is not

If I were to do this then I would be rejecting the teachings of priests, popes and saints … if I use my own discernment that basically throws the catholic church out the window

Yes I do expect God to be on my side whether I’m right or wrong. You use the word “side” and this distorts what I was after … I wanted God to be with me. To be with me whether I’m right or wrong, to be beside me and with me. Jesus never was. He is happy by himself and so if he can live without me I will live without him. It was hard but I have done it and I am still alive

I’m using these words as a description of the christians I have experienced in my life.

That’s a typical line christians give to people … YOU are wrong. That’s not true. All those words, all those promises, all those nice words about love ARE rubbish, because you judge one by their fruit not their words. The fruit of Jesus in my life was pain, suffering, destruction and self-hate ---- by the fruit I have judged him

I have already done that and I am doing that now … hence out of the church. I keep a safe distance now . I know that God is Love - God the Father. He alone exists for me … the rest (ie: Jesus, Mary, Saints) are wind and air

Thankyou I don’t intend for any of my words to sound harsh or cold just as I know you didn’t intend that to me

I have travelled alot in the past months and my trust, faith and hope is in God my Father now. You perhap’s can’t understand it because you haven’t been through the experiences that I have. I only trust God the Father now. I do not trust Jesus. Without trust there is no genuine relationship and I will not pay lip-service.

I know I am not damned, there is life beyond Jesus - and that life is God the Eternal Father. The most perfect of father’s. I no longer fear the afterlife or going to hell because I know and trust the Father who care’s for me today will care for me tomorrow and forever. Why would He change just because I die, or I am no longer alive? He loves me today and cares for me and protects me today - shall he stop loving me and protecting me just because my body dies??? Only holy people who neither know the Father nor know how abounding his love is could think of such a thing.

It was God the Father who offered me the chance to start again and my life has changed and is changing for the better.

How about I put an offer to the people here … go to the Father and see for yourself how good he is
You won’t be disappointed

THANK YOU LORD. AMEN

 

[distracted]

I believe in Jesus - but not YOUR Jesus. I reject the Jesus of the catholic church and the Jesus of many Christians.

Again, i don’t think you know “our Jesus”… Have u spent time @ the blessed Sacrament? That info would help me 2 understand where u r coming from better…

I reject him because he is false … he a goodluck charm of salvation that is peddled to people at the peril of being damned to an eternity in hell. If you believe in the goodluck idol you are going to heaven - if you don’t your going to hell.

I don’t believe in this kind of Jesus either…

It is only fitting that God’s Love incarnate is sent as our redemption because it is the only power STRONG enough to redeem, it is the only thing STRONGER than evil and sin.

very true… Jesus is the Word Incarnate and Love Incarnate and Truth Incarnate. I believe the negativity you associate with Jesus is really the negativity of SIN… To be with Christ is to be fully aware of sin - within and around us… I feel this negativity when @ the Blessed Sacrament…(unexposed) but it is the sin in my life and in the world that causes this and if one spends enough time with Him there, He washes it away… I just wish i had more time to spend There… and i also wish others would spend more time there…

I feel that if you follow love (real love) you are on the right track… However, God is both love AND truth AND justice… He is holy and the Word tells us that we Must be holy in order to please Him…

God bless…

 

[trobinson017]

I reject Jesus – I do not believe in him. Do I intellectually acknowledge he exists … yes. But do I believe in him … no.
These are my reasons;

Honestly, I think Jesus is right next to you at this moment, He is loving you tenderly. I think you are perhaps experiencing the darkness and turmoil that He himself experienced in His Passion. Maybe this is a gift. I know for myself Christ almost literally grabbed me in a most vulnerable, sinful moment. It was almost an instantaneous occurrence. Now, I’ve not been the best Christian I can be since then but I recognize that I am in constant need of Him. So no matter how my faith has faltered I try to never forget He is always near and loving those who need His presence most desperately.

You have been baptized, confirmed and received our Lord in Holy Communion as a Catholic and I will pray for you!

trob

 

[saylo]

“…whosoever denies Me before men I will deny before the Father…” These are words worth thinking about as it regards our immortal souls.

 

[KingAlfred]

I reject Jesus – I do not believe in him. Do I intellectually acknowledge he exists … yes. But do I believe in him … no.
These are my reasons;

1. I was a catholic for some 24 years – they were the emptiest, most miserable years of my life. Jesus was always far away, he was never there
2. To pray to Jesus and be heard, a massive amount of hurdles had to be jumped … pray properly, kneel properly, go to adoration, go to communion properly – and of course you never did these things properly because you are inherently bad / wrong before Jesus and you are dead to him in sin
3. All the novenas I ever prayed, never worked – Mary, Jesus and the Saints are deaf (and of course whenever I would say that to someone, they would turn around and say “I don’t know what you are talking about?” or “they always hear me, they don’t listen to you? Too bad”, shrug and who cares, or “you mustn’t be praying properly”, or “you might need to pray more” etc etc)
4. The gates of hell are always open – wide and open just waiting for you to slip up, whist heaven is always closed
5. The Eucharist is empty – I haven’t said this publicly before, but here I’ll say it – there is nothing there! There is no one and nothing there in the tabernacle. It is empty.
6. Jesus is a betrayer – he abandons you in your darkest hour and pretends you don’t exist and he can’t hear you because he is “testing you to see how much you love him”. In your darkest hour he performs his “loving” disappearing act
7. He provides false hope – “I am with you until the end of time” but I can’t stand you and abandon you in the darkest hour, “I came to give you life and life to the full” but the sorrow and injustice you suffer is MY doing, it is a cross I have specifically given to you to torment you with to test how much you love me
8. Those who are holy and special to Him are the vilest people I have ever known
9. He talks about love but these words are empty. The only reason I told him i love him at church was because if I didn’t I would automatically go to hell – his every command and every “kind” gesture must be paid for with human misery and damnation
10. Jesus is never on your side - he will side with anyone against you, he will choose anyone over you, he will seize any reason to leave you … and say he loves you while he does it

These are the core reasons, as you can see they are not so much theological “bible quote” reasons but reasons of experience. If anyone chooses to respond, I must admit Bible quotes mean nothing to me because the Bible speaks nice words that i believe are empty. Words are nice and all, but actions speak louder. Part of the reason I trusted in Jesus so much was those nice words, which I see now are empty.
Perhaps no one can really help me, since in my experience that first thing that will probably cross a Christians mind is whether I am possessed, or oppressed by demons or involved in the occult, or in one way or another bad and wrong before Jesus who can do no wrong.
How do you explain this Jesus I have experienced? He is not consistent with the Jesus others describe here … why the difference? How do you justify how Jesus treated me or am I (as always) completely to blame and bad and wrong?

Do you have any sense of religion? Some people don’t. That might be your actual problem – you’re just not religious. My entire family is like that.

 

[distracted]

really enjoyed your post…

My Dad always said go to the Blessed Mother she saw her son nailed to a tree.

good advice… also, when i suffer, i try to always force myself to think of how Christ suffered before and during the crucifixiion… kinda puts things in persepective…

My Dad said the ones that suffer are the chosen ones.

St. Faustina says that if it weren’t for the prayers and sacrifices of the chosen ones, the ones who suffer… God’s wrath would descend on the world…

I know that the last 5 years especially has made me a better stronger nicer person.

actually the years and the things you have experienced are not wht has made you a better person… it was your choice to always follow the Lord no matter what that has strengthened you and made you a better person…

Now i know whatever happens its in his control not ours.

sometimes that is so hard to believe, accept… because some of us have known SO much evil… we tend to start thinking/feeling that the devil always wins… and maybe, in a certain way, he does… but he doesn’t win in the end when someone stays in Christ…

. And he is just testing our love for him. Now i learned he never lets me down

One time Jesus told St. Faustina that at those times whne she feels He has withdrawn his presence, that is when He is closest to her… (hard to understand - for me anyway - but that’s what He said)…

, sure bad things happen , but you will be okay.

also Jesus told St. F (and others) that nothing happens in person’s life by “accident”… and nothing happens without His permission. This thought comforts me because sometimes things seem so… What is the word for it?? well, they seem to make no sense whatsoever… (etc)…

 

[distracted]

I believe in Jesus - but not YOUR Jesus. I reject the Jesus of the catholic church and the Jesus of many Christians.

why don’t you explain to posters what “your Jesus” is like?? Then maybe we will understand…

also… Sorry if i have asked this question before (i ask it all the time at these forums & don’t recall if i asked YOU) but:

Do you - or have you ever - spent much time in the Real Presence (in the Church)??

 

[bpbasilphx]

2) To pray to Jesus and be heard, a massive amount of hurdles had to be jumped … pray properly, kneel properly, go to adoration, go to communion properly – and of course you never did these things properly because you are inherently bad / wrong before Jesus and you are dead to him in sin
3) All the novenas I ever prayed, never worked – Mary, Jesus and the Saints are deaf (and of course whenever I would say that to someone, they would turn around and say “I don’t know what you are talking about?” or “they always hear me, they don’t listen to you? Too bad”, shrug and who cares, or “you mustn’t be praying properly”, or “you might need to pray more” etc etc)
4) The gates of hell are always open – wide and open just waiting for you to slip up, whist heaven is always closed
5) The Eucharist is empty – I haven’t said this publicly before, but here I’ll say it – there is nothing there! There is no one and nothing there in the tabernacle. It is empty.
6) Jesus is a betrayer – he abandons you in your darkest hour and pretends you don’t exist and he can’t hear you because he is “testing you to see how much you love him”. In your darkest hour he performs his “loving” disappearing act

You sure do have some weird ideas about Christianity! Where did you ever leearn them.

 

[speaker1777]

I have been thinking about you. And looking at the depths of my own soul, I want to share with you in Christ’s suffering as a member of the Body of Christ, if it is the will of the Father… and if at that time, I am still attentive to God… I say this because I am wary that I might fall into sin… forcing me to consider that I should always be watching and praying lest I fall into temptation aka lack of sleep… although I be not tired at the moment. And when I sin, I know not only have I offended an all loving God, but also the person I am near whom is my neighbor. We know the Father because he sent His son. Without him sending His Son, the whole world would still be in darkness. The peace of God is the harmony of the oneness of God. Love being actions requires more than one person. The three persons of God are perfectly one even as Jesus prayed all of this disciples would be one even as He and the Father are one. The oneness is unseparatable and even the members of the Body of Christ in union with God are also one because they are guided by the same Holy Spirit. The fact that you acknowledge the Father shows that the Holy Spirit is with you, but the Son is always one with the Father.

**2) To pray to Jesus and be heard, a massive amount of hurdles had to be jumped … pray properly, kneel properly, go to adoration, go to communion properly – and of course you never did these things properly because you are inherently bad / wrong before Jesus and you are dead to him in sin
Follow the leading of the Holy Spirit for all prayer. Let us pray… well only if you feel this appropriate. Father, you sent your Son to die for us so that we might receive the Holy Spirit, continue to guide us in this life so that we may be in the world but not of the world and that we may one day see you face to face.
If you have seen the Son, you have seen the Father. For the Son does what the Father tells him always. Even unto death on a cross. There is no greater love then this, then to lay down ones life for a friend and He died for us all so that we might find life in God. But remember, if we shall grievously offend our God, we will have lost his friendship and we will be lost again. But someone came to find His lost sheep. Those that will worship God in spirit and in truth, and only God knows.

1. All the novenas I ever prayed, never worked – Mary, Jesus and the Saints are deaf (and of course whenever I would say that to someone, they would turn around and say “I don’t know what you are talking about?” or “they always hear me, they don’t listen to you? Too bad”, shrug and who cares, or “you mustn’t be praying properly”, or “you might need to pray more” etc etc)
   Ever since I learned about ‘praying’, I always struggled with it. For how am I talking to an all knowing God? What would he have to say to me and I Him. Since he already knows all my mental activity, heart, body and will, I couldn’t find a reason to ask for anything but for a closer union to Him so that I may see His will for me in each person I meet in the scheme of His will for all of His creation.
2. The gates of hell are always open – wide and open just waiting for you to slip up, whist heaven is always closed
   Beloved of the Father, we will attain heaven when we complete the race which we are to do for this life. We must remain in sanctifying grace. This is the spring of water which flows from within and never runs dry. Through contrition, confession, and penance, we are reunited to the Body of Christ who is united to God.
3. The Eucharist is empty – I haven’t said this publicly before, but here I’ll say it – there is nothing there! There is no one and nothing there in the tabernacle. It is empty.
   Jesus makes himself present so that we would eat Him and live forever. Mind you, there are denominations that do not believe that Jesus is present in the breaking of the bread.
4. Jesus is a betrayer – he abandons you in your darkest hour and pretends you don’t exist and he can’t hear you because he is “testing you to see how much you love him”. In your darkest hour he performs his “loving” disappearing act**
   In the hour of darkness, we see only the sins of the world and especially our own sins. Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, have mercy on us.

I fear speaking or saying any words though so I wish to speak very little but when I speak I also fear I am being of a haughty spirit and this is contrary to the spirit of meekness and love which st. paul asks us to be in sharing the truth. For teachers will be judged with even more strictness.

Please Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner.

 

[onetimeposter]

I’ve turned my back on Jesus Christ, sadly, quite a few times in my life.

I’ve gotten angry at Jesus, at God, at Mary, the Saints…

I’ve left the Church, gone back, only to leave again and once again return! I’ve been angry at the Church, confused, bitter…

The thing is…I’m always welcome, I don’t deserve it, but I’m always welcome.

Although I’ve turned my back on Jesus in my life, he has never done so to me.

 

[Ohwesty]

My heart goes out to you. You’ve had a bad experience with Jesus and Christianity. But have you ever wondered how different – or similar – your life might have been had you been raised in another religion?

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