Why I reject Jesus

[Godlovestrength]

1. The only reason I told him i love him at church was because if I didn’t I would automatically go to hell It seems that you have listened to any old think that others have said, God gives us the gift of “discernment” have you never heard of this?
   It is your not so much right but your obligation to listen to others and discern what they say and if it doesn’'t line up with God’s love, the bible then reject what they have told you, take it to a priest or person you trust to speak God’s love and ask them about what you have been told.You obviously know what is and isn’t God’s love take in ONLY what is Gods love.
2. Jesus is never on your side - he will side with anyone against you, he will choose anyone over you, he will seize any reason to leave you … and say he loves you while he does it
   In lookiing at what you have writen it says to me You expect Jesus to be on your side, that is, even when you are wanting Him to side with you right or wrong, well it’s too bad for all of us because He is LOVE love cannot side at all it is complete in itself.
   Love cannot be wrong.
3. Those who are holy and special to Him are the vilest people I have ever known
   I hope you answer this ,
   Do you think that you might be becomming a little jealous of other people? who is special in God’s eyes, or are you using those words to make a point?

Love CANNOT leave any person, person’s leave God because of their own volition, or lack of true love for God.

Bible quotes mean nothing to me because the Bible speaks nice words that i believe are empty. Words are nice and all, but actions speak louder. Part of the reason I trusted in Jesus so much was those nice words, which I see now are empty.
Your words seem to say "well I believed in all these words and they were all rubbish. You seem to be putting your words (thoughts) against the words of God of Love of Jesus of the Holy Spirit, how do you think you are getting on? How can you compare your (human) words with those of the spirit( of God)? So whose words are empty …certainly NOT God’s Jesus or the Holy Spirit, so whose? Yes OURS humans, we don’t hear God speaking because we turn to humanness, to materialism, to our own thoughts

Do you think it is time to go back to square 1 and re think firstly about your own thoughts NOT tell God what He is saying, but tell your self that God is LOVE, so how might the thoughts in your mind be wrong and tell God you made a mess in your thoughts and start again with people who WON"T give you words that lead you astray.

You didn’t want love-dove words But it is in love for you that I give you this chance to start again.
Godbless

 

[uglygal]

In a nutshell, you reject Jesus because you choose to…

He rejected me first, now I have returned the favour

 

[uglygal]

Do you think it is time to go back to square 1 and re think firstly about your own thoughts NOT tell God what He is saying, but tell your self that God is LOVE, so how might the thoughts in your mind be wrong and tell God you made a mess in your thoughts and start again with people who WON"T give you words that lead you astray.

You didn’t want love-dove words But it is in love for you that I give you this chance to start again.
Godbless

God the Father is Love - Jesus is not

t seems that you have listened to any old think that others have said, God gives us the gift of “discernment” have you never heard of this?
It is your not so much right but your obligation to listen to others and discern what they say and if it doesn’'t line up with God’s love, the bible then reject what they have told you, take it to a priest or person you trust to speak God’s love and ask them about what you have been told.

If I were to do this then I would be rejecting the teachings of priests, popes and saints … if I use my own discernment that basically throws the catholic church out the window

In lookiing at what you have writen it says to me You expect Jesus to be on your side, that is, even when you are wanting Him to side with you right or wrong, well it’s too bad for all of us because He is LOVE love cannot side at all it is complete in itself.

Love cannot be wrong

Yes I do expect God to be on my side whether I’m right or wrong. You use the word “side” and this distorts what I was after … I wanted God to be with me. To be with me whether I’m right or wrong, to be beside me and with me. Jesus never was. He is happy by himself and so if he can live without me I will live without him. It was hard but I have done it and I am still alive

Do you think that you might be becoming a little jealous of other people? who is special in God’s eyes, or are you using those words to make a point?

I’m using these words as a description of the christians I have experienced in my life.

Your words seem to say "well I believed in all these words and they were all rubbish. You seem to be putting your words (thoughts) against the words of God of Love of Jesus of the Holy Spirit, how do you think you are getting on? How can you compare your (human) words with those of the spirit( of God)? So whose words are empty …certainly NOT God’s Jesus or the Holy Spirit, so whose? Yes OURS humans,

That’s a typical line christians give to people … YOU are wrong. That’s not true. All those words, all those promises, all those nice words about love ARE rubbish, because you judge one by their fruit not their words. The fruit of Jesus in my life was pain, suffering, destruction and self-hate ---- by the fruit I have judged him

Do you think it is time to go back to square 1 and re think firstly about your own thoughts NOT tell God what He is saying, but tell your self that God is LOVE, so how might the thoughts in your mind be wrong and tell God you made a mess in your thoughts and start again with people who WON"T give you words that lead you astray.

I have already done that and I am doing that now … hence out of the church. I keep a safe distance now . I know that God is Love - God the Father. He alone exists for me … the rest (ie: Jesus, Mary, Saints) are wind and air

You didn’t want love-dove words But it is in love for you that I give you this chance to start again.

Thankyou I don’t intend for any of my words to sound harsh or cold just as I know you didn’t intend that to me

I have travelled alot in the past months and my trust, faith and hope is in God my Father now. You perhap’s can’t understand it because you haven’t been through the experiences that I have. I only trust God the Father now. I do not trust Jesus. Without trust there is no genuine relationship and I will not pay lip-service.

I know I am not damned, there is life beyond Jesus - and that life is God the Eternal Father. The most perfect of father’s. I no longer fear the afterlife or going to hell because I know and trust the Father who care’s for me today will care for me tomorrow and forever. Why would He change just because I die, or I am no longer alive? He loves me today and cares for me and protects me today - shall he stop loving me and protecting me just because my body dies??? Only holy people who neither know the Father nor know how abounding his love is could think of such a thing.

It was God the Father who offered me the chance to start again and my life has changed and is changing for the better.

How about I put an offer to the people here … go to the Father and see for yourself how good he is
You won’t be disappointed

 

[fhansen]

He rejected me first, now I have returned the favour

I don’t get it. He accepts the outcasts, downcasts, misfits, sinners, lepers, drunks, adulterers, unhealthy, poor, poor in spirit, screwed-up messed-up dregs of the world that no one else had time for but He doesn’t like you. I wonder what’s up with that.

 

[uglygal]

I don’t get it. He accepts the outcasts, downcasts, misfits, sinners, lepers, drunks, adulterers, unhealthy, poor, poor in spirit, screwed-up messed-up dregs of the world that no one else had time for but He doesn’t like you. I wonder what’s up with that.

What’s up with that, is that everyone has different experiences and everyone has traveled a different path - and we understand and relate to the world around us accordingly. If Jesus is to you a loving companion who accepts you and brings out the best in you, then that is good and how a relationship should be My experience was very different and that’s ok too

 

[JCnMe]

(((uglygal)))…what did Jesus do that makes you think he rejected you?—keep in mind that the people you may have come in contact with -purporting to speak for God-might call themselves “christian” but without love in their words- they might as well call themselves clanging cymbals…the thing is-God and Jesus are one-the Father and the Son are one- you don’t find one without the other…so just know that while you are more comfortable talking to the Father-Jesus hears your every word and will still be right beside you-even if you choose not to acknowledge Him…I’ve always dealt direct too-my whole life really-until oneday…Jesus made Himself known in an undeniable way… I now know just how close the Father and the Son really are…the words I hear when I think of them are …"My Child,My Heart…Jesus was and is God’s Love made man…some people will argue that no He was God’s word made man… both are truth- the word is Love…let go of all the feelings of rejection(((hugs)))-just concentrate on the love God has for you and reflect that Love for others to see…you can get reaquainted with Jesus whenever you want to- just look to the right-He’s beside you always…God Bless

 

[fhansen]

What’s up with that, is that everyone has different experiences and everyone has traveled a different path - and we understand and relate to the world around us accordingly. If Jesus is to you a loving companion who accepts you and brings out the best in you, then that is good and how a relationship should be My experience was very different and that’s ok too

I understand but we don’t really know anything more of Him them what’s in the gospel-what’s been revealed. So any ideas why He wouldn’t like you when in real-life it seemed the only ones He couldn’t get thru to were the proud and self-righteous?

 

[MCL]

It took quite a long time but I have read through this entire post! Here are some of my thoughts:

Congratulations, UglyGal! You have recognized a difficult and unproductive situation and have taken proactive measures to restore yourself to physical, mental, and spiritual health. This is an enormous task because your battle has affected you at all levels. I applaud your recognition that you must go back to the beginning. I will draw an analogy to further explain my understanding. I know of someone who was recently in a car accident. She is in a half-body cast and will be for at least 4 months. At the end of the 4 months, she will require extensive physical therapy to learn how to walk again. She must start at the beginning like she was a child. Your situation seems similar to me. It seems your spiritual life was in a body cast and you must start at the beginning. Acknowledging God the Father and His warm, loving embrace is that beginning. Bask in that glow and appreciate God’s Love for you. Continue to worship our Loving God and listen to His guidance.

As for your understanding of Jesus and your relationship with Him, my suggestion is to let God handle it. He will know when you are ready and He will lead you where and when He wants. Don’t try to run before you can walk. Don’t try to force an understanding. Likewise, don’t dismiss anything you are not yet ready for.

Really get to know God at this level before advancing to the next. I don’t intend for this to sound trite or like a game, it is just that in my experience I have tried to solve everything at once or do everything at once. I always failed!

May God Bless you abundantly,
MC

 

[rinnie]

Thank you so much for the uplifting words…

sometimes praying is all i want to do… and i feel “irresponsible” for not being more active… but while @ the Blessed Sacrament, it seems i can not pray enough… and/or be with Jesus enough… (I guess i have a lot of purification to go through )… Strange how different everything is at the Blessed Sacrament:hypno: …
Do you spend much time there?

Oh yes thats when you know he is there with you. About 15 years ago my husband got cancer my world fell apart. He was so young 2 kids to raise, i begged God to cure him. God did. I knew he could and would. then 5 years ago my brother got a brain tumor he was only 39 but God said no this time. My brother died. then the next year I lost a baby. then the next year my husband lost his Dad. I thought okay this is going to be a good year. Well last month God took my Dad. I learned God says no sometimes. Not to punish us, although it feels like it at times. My Dad always said go to the Blessed Mother she saw her son nailed to a tree. No one has ever suffered like her. She will help you. I asked Father if God was picking on me or mad at me. He said no he said God gives each and every one of us a way to help him carry his cross for him. This is our way of sharing in his pain.Look at it that way it will help. My Dad said the ones that suffer are the chosen ones. I know that the last 5 years especially has made me a better stronger nicer person. God will never leave you. He promises to help us. Now i know whatever happens its in his control not ours. But he loves us and will never leave us. Just as long as we ask he will stay. I no longer have fear, you wont either, you will see. Stick with him, he keeps his promises. And he is just testing our love for him. Now i learned he never lets me down now i dont want to let him down. Remember you can be bitter and hate the world, or say Okay God lets live today, You lead I will follow. You will get so much peace, just wait and see, its comming, sure bad things happen , but you will be okay. Keep reading the bible and going to Church you will get closer every day to him. He loves you so much. God Bless. Keep doing what you are doing.

 

[Mystic_of_God]

I reject Jesus – I do not believe in him. Do I intellectually acknowledge he exists … yes. But do I believe in him … no.
These are my reasons;

1. I was a catholic for some 24 years – they were the emptiest, most miserable years of my life. Jesus was always far away, he was never there
2. To pray to Jesus and be heard, a massive amount of hurdles had to be jumped … pray properly, kneel properly, go to adoration, go to communion properly – and of course you never did these things properly because you are inherently bad / wrong before Jesus and you are dead to him in sin
3. All the novenas I ever prayed, never worked – Mary, Jesus and the Saints are deaf (and of course whenever I would say that to someone, they would turn around and say “I don’t know what you are talking about?” or “they always hear me, they don’t listen to you? Too bad”, shrug and who cares, or “you mustn’t be praying properly”, or “you might need to pray more” etc etc)
4. The gates of hell are always open – wide and open just waiting for you to slip up, whist heaven is always closed
5. The Eucharist is empty – I haven’t said this publicly before, but here I’ll say it – there is nothing there! There is no one and nothing there in the tabernacle. It is empty.
6. Jesus is a betrayer – he abandons you in your darkest hour and pretends you don’t exist and he can’t hear you because he is “testing you to see how much you love him”. In your darkest hour he performs his “loving” disappearing act
7. He provides false hope – “I am with you until the end of time” but I can’t stand you and abandon you in the darkest hour, “I came to give you life and life to the full” but the sorrow and injustice you suffer is MY doing, it is a cross I have specifically given to you to torment you with to test how much you love me
8. Those who are holy and special to Him are the vilest people I have ever known
9. He talks about love but these words are empty. The only reason I told him i love him at church was because if I didn’t I would automatically go to hell – his every command and every “kind” gesture must be paid for with human misery and damnation
10. Jesus is never on your side - he will side with anyone against you, he will choose anyone over you, he will seize any reason to leave you … and say he loves you while he does it

These are the core reasons, as you can see they are not so much theological “bible quote” reasons but reasons of experience. If anyone chooses to respond, I must admit Bible quotes mean nothing to me because the Bible speaks nice words that i believe are empty. Words are nice and all, but actions speak louder. Part of the reason I trusted in Jesus so much was those nice words, which I see now are empty.
Perhaps no one can really help me, since in my experience that first thing that will probably cross a Christians mind is whether I am possessed, or oppressed by demons or involved in the occult, or in one way or another bad and wrong before Jesus who can do no wrong.
How do you explain this Jesus I have experienced? He is not consistent with the Jesus others describe here … why the difference? How do you justify how Jesus treated me or am I (as always) completely to blame and bad and wrong?

I don’t see a disgruntled Catholic, I see a person who fails to understand the beauty and harmony of the cosmos, who, although steeped in sin, has great capacity to do good, one who was malformed and led astray by those meant to teach the work of God.

 

[Mystic_of_God]

(((uglygal)))…what did Jesus do that makes you think he rejected you?—keep in mind that the people you may have come in contact with -purporting to speak for God-might call themselves “christian” but without love in their words- they might as well call themselves clanging cymbals…the thing is-God and Jesus are one-the Father and the Son are one- you don’t find one without the other…so just know that while you are more comfortable talking to the Father-Jesus hears your every word and will still be right beside you-even if you choose not to acknowledge Him…I’ve always dealt direct too-my whole life really-until oneday…Jesus made Himself known in an undeniable way… I now know just how close the Father and the Son really are…the words I hear when I think of them are …"My Child,My Heart…Jesus was and is God’s Love made man…some people will argue that no He was God’s word made man… both are truth- the word is Love…let go of all the feelings of rejection(((hugs)))-just concentrate on the love God has for you and reflect that Love for others to see…you can get reaquainted with Jesus whenever you want to- just look to the right-He’s beside you always…God Bless

Amen

 

[distracted]

God the Father is Love - Jesus is not

You have never experienced Jesus (as he really is) or you would not be saying this… I “knew” Jesus all my life one way or the other (in my head, etc…). But i never really knew him in the deepest parts of my being until i spent time with him at the Blessed Sacrament… (it wasn’t just that, it was also the Mass, etc…)…

Yes I do expect God to be on my side whether I’m right or wrong.

he is on your side no matter what… but he wants to transofrm you into all you can be… He wants to heal you through his Son (the Word Incarnate).
You make a distinction between Jesus & God… but that distinction exists only in your mind. Jesus said that when you see him, you see the father, he said that the Father and He are one… He also said that no one comes to the Father except through him. he said that because we are all sinners and only Christ can wash away the sin that separates us from God/Heaven… where no unlcean thing will enter (Rev 21:27).He alone paid the price of sin… Sin deformss the soul and makes it unacceptable to Heaven, a Place where all is the way it should be…

I wanted God to be with me…whether I’m right or wrong, to be beside me and with me. Jesus never was.

Again, there is no distinction between God and Jesus… Jesus is not only God, he was/IS also man, so that he can understand every possible thing we humans go through…

He is happy by himself and so if he can live without me I will live without him.

I do not believe Jesus is happy without you. I know He grieves for those who do not know him… someone He died for, to save you from the horror of sin and its consequences… Actually, sin isn’t “all that horrible”, as it were… so much as its consequences are… Sin is understandable… Sinful stuff looks like something good and so we are tempted to do it & often just do it regardless… but then come the awful consequences… which destroy our soul…

Jesus alone can heal you of the consequences of sin… There is NO other way…

words about love ARE rubbish, because you judge one by their fruit not their words.

very true… and i have known so mnay Catholics who acted like, well, to put it mildly, " unbelievers" - that it was enough to dishearten even a dyed in the wool Catholic like me… but i just tr 2 keep my eyes on Heaven…

The fruit of Jesus in my life was pain, suffering, destruction and self-hate ----

You don’t know Him… I feel you just know OF him… two totally different realities… But you know, Jesus causes me pain also. When i have sinned & then spend time with him, I feel a distance between the two of us… (pain)… That is NOT His fault… and praying, meditating, spending time @ Church with Him… all that takes away the separation

because you haven’t been through the experiences that I have.

No one has been through the same expeiriences as you have… but people have been thorugh similar things… and/or things that cause the same kind of result…

I only trust God the Father now. I do not trust Jesus.

You can trust Jesus for one thing: to wash away your sins… that is what he is primarily for… The father doesn’t do that for you - except through Him…

I know I am not damned,

Actually, you don’t know that… Only Jesus Christ knows the true condition of your soul… and only He can show it to you… if/when you spend time with Him… listening to Him… “Be still and know that i am God.”

How about I put an offer to the people here … go to the Father and see for yourself how good he is
You won’t be disappointed

When i go to Jesus @ the Roman Catholic Church, i am going to the Father.
When my sins are washed away, i am OK with God… otherwise, i am not… and/or i am not** totally** OK with him…
When i believed more or less as you do (in only the Father and his goodness, etc… & didn’t go to Christ) my life was chaos and filled w/ evil & went from bad (very bad) to worse… and worse and worse. It was when i found Jesus that i began to undertstand things, and understanding one’s life (its meaning, etc.) is the beginning of changing it… As stated b4, only Jesus knows the true condition of anyone’s soul (and what that soul needs in order to be ready for Heaven…).
**Rejecting Christ is the unforgivable sin… **

In st. Matthew 12:32, Jesus speaks of the unforgivable sin… The people he warns about such a sin have just made it clear that they prefer their prestige in the synagogues (etc, etc.) over him…

 

[uglygal]

too many wonderful people have replied with very kind and wise advise and I don’t know if I can reply to all.

I really wish this thread would go away.

I believe in Jesus - but not YOUR Jesus. I reject the Jesus of the catholic church and the Jesus of many Christians.
I reject him because he is false … he a goodluck charm of salvation that is peddled to people at the peril of being damned to an eternity in hell. If you believe in the goodluck idol you are going to heaven - if you don’t your going to hell.

I reject the Jesus as the tri-god - which believe it or not many christians and catholic’s believe in.
I would go so far as to say that many catholics ARE tritheists.

Just go to my “why I love and accept God the Father” thread and you will see. Jesus becomes a seperate God, a separate entity that you must accept at your own peril. For me to say I love and accept the Father is impossible because I reject the tri-theist Jesus - and I must first go through Jesus (like a massive blockade) before I can even get a glimpse of the Father.

I don’t believe in YOUR Jesus because He is false and I had every right to reject Him. God my Father isn’t angry at me that I rejected Him because He is a false God.

To catholics/christians Jesus is a good-luck salvation charm that if you eat enough of or praise enough of, or believe enough of … BAM you’ve got yourself a ticket to heaven.

My undertsanding of the Holy Word is that the ‘person/humanity’ was a humble appearance, an adopted vessel of the Father’s LOVE and MERCY INCARNATE.

Likewise … and I would specifically address this to LilyM who laughed at my belief in God as mercy and love as a “weak-willed grandfathery fuddy-duddy” - the Father used LOVE to redeem the world because love is STRONG. A God of love in whom mercy prevails is NOT weak-willed. The salvation of the world was bought about by the GREAT HOLOCAUST OF LOVE. LOVE ALONE WAS STRONG ENOUGH!!!

My understanding of the Word - the Wisdom of God … is that it was the Love of God incarnate. Not a seperate God. It always remains the Love of God, the Word of God … they are not divisable but ONE. Always have been, always will be.

And this is where I could really go on a rant …
It is only fitting that God’s Love incarnate is sent as our redemption because it is the only power STRONG enough to redeem, it is the only thing STRONGER than evil and sin. The Father sent his love incarnate to teach us. When the Word says I am the way, the truth and the life, he is really saying LOVE is the way, the truth and the life. Love is the way to live your life, Love is the truth about God, Love is what gives life and is life … and after redeeming us by LOVE, God elevated his LOVE to his right hand and set LOVE as our redemption and lord and master - that is why we are commanded to “love one another” and “love God with all your heart and soul”

In the begginning the Word of God and by the Word the earth and all creatures were created. And all things are now under the Word - but the Word is LOVE because it is the Word of God.

The redemption of what you call the crucifixion - (i call it the holocaust to differentiate my understanding from yours) is not redemption because of blood and guts - but because of LOVE. It was Christ’s perfect love of God and man shown on the Cross that redeemed us. Likewise we too have to love god and man to the point of holocaust is we want redemption. The blood and body represent LOVE and sacrifice …

I could really go on a rant but I won’t.
I fear I may have given enough food to some people here to attack me as someone making up their own religion etc etc.

I wish catholic’s would stop saying this is wrong … because it’s not! This is the only sense I can make of faith, this is the only truth that the Father leads me to.

I know perhaps you can’t understand … but compared to Love the “religion” is lacking. I look at these truths (which are only glimpses) revealed to me by the Father and then I look at the catholic/christian religion … and it is lacking

sorry about the rant. I wish this thread would go away but I at times feel I have given people a free kick and they will take it as many times as they can.

Oh well, I’ll put up with it as a penance

 

[Tonks40]

Actually, UG, I think you’ve got it! The Jesus you believe in is the Jesus we all want to know and love - Catholics and Christians. Some in the Church over the ages have and do know this Jesus. We’re all trying to learn more, and the learning never ceases throughout life.

Please forgive those whom, including me, due to failure of words, you perceive as trying to paint the picture of Jesus as one who operates in a set of parameters. He doesn’t. Just as God doesn’t.

We as a people of God fail miserable many times to adequately express whom Jesus is to us. Stick to the Jesus you know…and love.

God Bless.

 

[fhansen]

too many wonderful people have replied with very kind and wise advise and I don’t know if I can reply to all.

I really wish this thread would go away.

I believe in Jesus - but not YOUR Jesus. I reject the Jesus of the catholic church and the Jesus of many Christians.
I reject him because he is false … he a goodluck charm of salvation that is peddled to people at the peril of being damned to an eternity in hell. If you believe in the goodluck idol you are going to heaven - if you don’t your going to hell.

I reject the Jesus as the tri-god - which believe it or not many christians and catholic’s believe in.
I would go so far as to say that many catholics ARE tritheists.

Just go to my “why I love and accept God the Father” thread and you will see. Jesus becomes a seperate God, a separate entity that you must accept at your own peril. For me to say I love and accept the Father is impossible because I reject the tri-theist Jesus - and I must first go through Jesus (like a massive blockade) before I can even get a glimpse of the Father.

I don’t believe in YOUR Jesus because He is false and I had every right to reject Him. God my Father isn’t angry at me that I rejected Him because He is a false God.

To catholics/christians Jesus is a good-luck salvation charm that if you eat enough of or praise enough of, or believe enough of … BAM you’ve got yourself a ticket to heaven.

My undertsanding of the Holy Word is that the ‘person/humanity’ was a humble appearance, an adopted vessel of the Father’s LOVE and MERCY INCARNATE.

Likewise … and I would specifically address this to LilyM who laughed at my belief in God as mercy and love as a “weak-willed grandfathery fuddy-duddy” - the Father used LOVE to redeem the world because love is STRONG. A God of love in whom mercy prevails is NOT weak-willed. The salvation of the world was bought about by the GREAT HOLOCAUST OF LOVE. LOVE ALONE WAS STRONG ENOUGH!!!

My understanding of the Word - the Wisdom of God … is that it was the Love of God incarnate. Not a seperate God. It always remains the Love of God, the Word of God … they are not divisable but ONE. Always have been, always will be.

And this is where I could really go on a rant …
It is only fitting that God’s Love incarnate is sent as our redemption because it is the only power STRONG enough to redeem, it is the only thing STRONGER than evil and sin. The Father sent his love incarnate to teach us. When the Word says I am the way, the truth and the life, he is really saying LOVE is the way, the truth and the life. Love is the way to live your life, Love is the truth about God, Love is what gives life and is life … and after redeeming us by LOVE, God elevated his LOVE to his right hand and set LOVE as our redemption and lord and master - that is why we are commanded to “love one another” and “love God with all your heart and soul”

In the begginning the Word of God and by the Word the earth and all creatures were created. And all things are now under the Word - but the Word is LOVE because it is the Word of God.

The redemption of what you call the crucifixion - (i call it the holocaust to differentiate my understanding from yours) is not redemption because of blood and guts - but because of LOVE. It was Christ’s perfect love of God and man shown on the Cross that redeemed us. Likewise we too have to love god and man to the point of holocaust is we want redemption. The blood and body represent LOVE and sacrifice …

I could really go on a rant but I won’t.
I fear I may have given enough food to some people here to attack me as someone making up their own religion etc etc.

I wish catholic’s would stop saying this is wrong … because it’s not! This is the only sense I can make of faith, this is the only truth that the Father leads me to.

I know perhaps you can’t understand … but compared to Love the “religion” is lacking. I look at these truths (which are only glimpses) revealed to me by the Father and then I look at the catholic/christian religion … and it is lacking

sorry about the rant. I wish this thread would go away but I at times feel I have given people a free kick and they will take it as many times as they can.

Oh well, I’ll put up with it as a penance

I think a lot of us would agree with big parts of your theology but are unsure why you distinguish Jesus from love. Most of what you spoke of was revealed to us by His life and death. Oh well.

 

[bpbasilphx]

**
I believe in Jesus - but not YOUR Jesus. I reject the Jesus of the catholic church and the Jesus of many Christians.
I reject him because he is false … **

What you’re saying is that you’re making up an entity out of your own head you are CALLING Jesus.

 

[uglygal]

another catholic just said the understanding I have is like that which all christians try to have and now you say it’s wrong and made up in my head. Just what is wrong with the Word of God as the Father has revealed to me and helped me understand?
i would love to know … but i think deep down its a personal matter and an attitude of “holier than thou”. With that I can’t help you

 

[uglygal]

Actually, UG, I think you’ve got it!
We as a people of God fail miserable many times to adequately express whom Jesus is to us. Stick to the Jesus you know…and love.

God Bless.

The one I know is the Word of God, a splitting image of my gentle merciful Father. Actually no, not a splitting image … the Father Himself, his love incarnate.

If we have reached an understanding then I would like to pursue it and clear things up …

did you know the name of the Father’s word is Yahshua meaning GOD IS SALVATION?

that speaks volumes to me … just look at God’s Word and you see a complete guide to happiness

 

[Godlovestrength]

The one I know is the Word of God, a splitting image of my gentle merciful Father. Actually no, not a splitting image … the Father Himself, his love incarnate.

If we have reached an understanding then I would like to pursue it and clear things up …

did you know the name of the Father’s word is Yahshua meaning GOD IS SALVATION?

that speaks volumes to me … just look at God’s Word and you see a complete guide to happiness

From my ppoint of view I think that you have a relationship with God that could be deep (very deep). I don’t think it is up to anyperson to judge that but maybe to ask the Holy Spirit to guid them into understanding how your relationship with God really works or is for you.
I also believe that in a number of these threads they carry on far too long and that they might or possibly are taking people off the mark. Meening that people could be becomming lead off the mark of keeping God as the centre, and relating to the person.

i hope that you find peace in loving God and can relate your relationship without the influence of others.

Godbless

 

[Godlovestrength]

The one I know is the Word of God, a splitting image of my gentle merciful Father. Actually no, not a splitting image … the Father Himself, his love incarnate.

If we have reached an understanding then I would like to pursue it and clear things up …

did you know the name of the Father’s word is Yahshua meaning GOD IS SALVATION?

that speaks volumes to me … just look at God’s Word and you see a complete guide to happiness

From my ppoint of view I think that you have a relationship with God that could be deep (very deep). I don’t think it is up to anyperson to judge that but maybe to ask the Holy Spirit to guid them into understanding how your relationship with God really works or is for you.
I also believe that in a number of these threads they carry on far too long and that they might or possibly are taking people off the mark. Meening that people could be becomming lead off the mark of keeping God as the centre, and relating to the person.

i hope that you find peace in loving God and can relate your relationship without the influence of others.

Godbless