Why I reject Jesus

[JRKH]

Keep in mind, that Jesus is God. He is the 2nd person of the Holy Trinity. Anyone who rejects Jesus, rejects God.

Jim

Jim,
Though I know you mean well, this is the worst “advise” you could have given this person. Such advise as this is tantamount to throwing a bucket of ice-water on her soul.
If you truly read the origional post, you would know that the entity she has rejected here is not the person we understand as Jesus. She has been “sold a bill of goods” in her life by people who didn’t understand or couldn’t communicate the Love of Christ to her.
She had to reject this mis-information in order to survive.
Now she has a beautiful relationship with God (who also contains the real Jesus). Through His Love and guidance we hope that this beautiful sould will be lead to the Truth as God has revealed it.

Peace
James

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Jim,
Though I know you mean well, this is the worst “advise” you could have given this person. Such advise as this is tantamount to throwing a bucket of ice-water on her soul.
If you truly read the origional post, you would know that the entity she has rejected here is not the person we understand as Jesus. She has been “sold a bill of goods” in her life by people who didn’t understand or couldn’t communicate the Love of Christ to her.
She had to reject this mis-information in order to survive.
Now she has a beautiful relationship with God (who also contains the real Jesus). Through His Love and guidance we hope that this beautiful sould will be lead to the Truth as God has revealed it.

Peace
James

Sorry if the truth upsets you. I did read the original post, in fact, I have posted to uglygal before. I’ve also read other post.

The fact is, we in here are Christians. We can not seperate Jesus from the Trinity, nor should we have to justify our belief.

Jim

 

[grandprixmama6]

I just posted, “personal relationship with Jesus.” Read it and see what you think…I think you grew up Catholic as I did…all rules but missing that personal connection with “Jesus.”
I have found that no matter how much education one has regarding the Catholic Church, doctrines, etc…, it does not mean that you have a personal relationship to Jesus Christ…I’m still looking for it…I think I have it most of the time, but then doubt creeps in and I question a lot of things…I would love to be able to stand up and say, "Jesus Christ is alive in the World today, and he started the one true church which is catholic, meaning universal…I know it is true in my heart, but I have a hard time proving it to others close around me…
.As I said in my letter, I am seeking to find Him in another Christian environment, without the frills, traditions and beliefs of the C.C. Maybe then, I can bring my personal relationship with Him back to the liturgy of the Word and Eucharist…wow, I might just come more alive and on fire then… You may want to do the same…Grandprixmama6

 

[uglygal]

Sorry if the truth upsets you. I did read the original post, in fact, I have posted to uglygal before. I’ve also read other post.

The fact is, we in here are Christians. We can not seperate Jesus from the Trinity, nor should we have to justify our belief.

This doesn’t upset me because it’s your opinion and belief. It’s what you believe to be true. Of course to “prove” its truth Catholic’s are quick to quote saints and bishops etc which is only natural since they too had the same idea of what “truth” is. A quote doesn’t establish something as truth, just as 1billion people agreeing doesn’t establish truth.

.As I said in my letter, I am seeking to find Him in another Christian environment, without the frills, traditions and beliefs of the C.C. Maybe then, I can bring my personal relationship with Him back to the liturgy of the Word and Eucharist…wow, I might just come more alive and on fire then… You may want to do the same…Grandprixmama6

thanks. I’ll read through the thread. I’ve tried to do the same just devoid of christianity period. I got sick and am sick of everyone else telling me what God is. My rebellion now is to stand up and walk up to God and find out who he is by myself without the “advisers” I hope we both find some answers

Let me tell you. I have been angry at God for these very same things before. In fact, I let him know how angry I was. I, in a sense told him off. Now that may be stupid of me because in an instant if he wanted, I could cease to exist. But he kept me around. LOL.

This is why I know it’s alright for me to question and step away from catholicism and say “this is NOT right”. I may be a heretic or an apostate or headed to hell according to catholic dogma, but deep inside me I somehow know and feel that this is not true. God gave me a mind to think and reason with and hands to help myself with … he couldn’t possibly want me to forfeit their use.
If God wanted to, he could destroy me right now or eradicate me from existence, but he doesn’t and I think that’s because;
(a) he WANTS me to search and seek and not just blindly accept “truth” because saint so and so and Pope so and so said so …
(b) He is not threatened by my seeking
(c) perhaps it was His very will that I step back and re-examine things

 

[JCnMe]

((((((((((JReducation))))))))…Bless your heart ((((Honey))))-you have been through much and will be much blessed-May God release you from this burden you carry and comfort you with sweet dreams of those loved ones that have passed into His Light…in Jesus’name-thy will be done,my prayer for you is one of healing …amen((((hugs))))

((((uglygal)))))…seek and you shall find ((honey))-sometimes it’s necessary to question and challenge- I hope you will find the love and light along whatever path you travel-and whatever direction you look…-and eventually you will realize that God protected your steps and held the lamp-knowing full well that only when you have found those answers and feel the peace in your heart -that you will be able to love yourself as He loves you-and hopefully will return it in kind …unconditionally (((hugs))) God Bless

 

[Godlovestrength]

I have been thinking of a possibility that perhaps the “Jesus” I know and have dealt with all these years is really a demon? I think this may be plausible considering some 1 billion people in the world (catholic / protestant / muslim) say that Jesus is great and yet my experience and knowledge of him is opposite. This “Jesus” would speak to me, and give me visions (aka: my scepticism of apparitions of Mary etc) … and wrecked absolute devastation on me spiritually through ways that I won’t mention on a public forum.

Whew! I read that with interest until you mentioned your age and I thought OK! and towards the end I looked again and all and I mean ALL of what you have writen and what you have not writen is ME.
The nuns the Brothers who struck me with a cane for double numbers of times, the time I went home with cane marks all over my leggs, arms and yet I did not feel any of the caining. I know Jesus took the pain away, even at that time, and I praise Him. The time I hammered my thumb, and I offered it up to Jesus because He has done more than I could ever do and even then Jesus took the pain away, and I told Him He wasn’t suposted to do that, but! The time I had a severe headach and I told Jesus I didn’t know what was happening so I gave it to Jesus and went to the Doctor and he said I should be dead, blood pressure 184/114 and Jesus had taken it away from me. and the beat of Jesus blood goes on.

Godbless, Jesus does.

 

[joseph_virgen]

you’re not rejecting the Nazarene, you’re “crying” out for his attention. you feel neglected. and your soul cries out for love. where is he? why is there human suffering, my suffering.

you are blessed. and yes, you are correct, it is a test.

“my God, my God, why have you abandoned me?”

you are closer to God than you know… that is why you are being assaulted with much vigor by the forces of the fallen one. if that were not the case, you would not be tormented. you would have simply given in.

you know what you must do. it is in your heart to do it, and you have only to ask it.

in truth, many welcome such an opportunity, to actually do spiritual battle, one on one against the forces of righteousness.

much luck,

and remember, when we loose a battle, we regroup. we do not loose heart, we do not give up.

 

[Godlovestrength]

This is why I know it’s alright for me to question and step away from catholicism and say “this is NOT right”. God gave me a mind to think and reason with and hands to help myself with … he couldn’t possibly want me to forfeit their use. …You are right God is not a hypocrit. We live ibn a human environment so it is in that where we use our sences. But in living her we are as youknow not OF the world only for a short time IN it. He doesn’t say or do something then say I don’t want you to use it. As you know ALL we are given are as gifts from God , but it is what we do with them and the final outcome that counts. If the glory is self induction, or, given to God.

If God wanted to, he could destroy me right now or eradicate me from existence, but he doesn’t and I think that’s because;
(a) he WANTS me to search and seek and not just blindly accept “truth” because saint so and so and Pope so and so said so …
You are right and no one knows as much as St Paul or even me. I was told to go and get some milk one winter night and I was doing nothing but then I remembered dad would be home soon so I better get on my bike and get it before dad got home.
I left and it was getting late in those winter days we didn’t have head gear and as I was going down town a drunk hit me (I was 11yrs) I was flung off the bike over the three lane road and hit the concrete head first. You know where it happened? right outside the Catholic church, you know when? at the Concecration of the Host.
I lay there blood gushing from my head, someone came in asked for a Doctor, the Priest and then my father was called to see his son laying there. You know all because I was disobedient to mum.
You know what, God could have taken me in my disobedient state, right then as you have mentioned, but He decided in His wisdome that He could use this person and 48 years latter He has put mje through hell time and again to change me. But girl I did the same as you I questioned "God I know You are love, I don’t see it in the church (people) the way Jesus tells me about it, I want it where is it? I questioned it for some 14 years until God showed me and on my knees in front of others, I wept when I took Jesus as my only reason to live He alone had given His whole life for a sinful disobedient person as me. And then the heavens opened and I saw that I had been disobedient to God the Father and He inturn forgave me by sending His son to redeam my sinfulness and on that concrete the Father gave my life back to me, redeamed through Jesus dieing for my sins, opening the doors for a sinner like me.

(b) He is not threatened by my seeking
No I seeked, as God wishes us to, give our thoughts away and seek the wholeness of God as LOVE unsermounted.

(c) perhaps it was His very will that I step back and re-examine things

Could be I don’t think there would be any who don’t in the entiraty of it all.

And now the spirit of God encompases me more each day and I have found that Love I need so much,
All I can offer you if ou could accept it is this prayer sister
“Lord for my sister I ask you please give her a touch of what You have given to me bless her Lord God almighty, bless her fill her to over flowing”.

God bless.

 

[Harmony1988]

UglyGal,
I know you didn’t post this as a question but, since you are here on a Catholic forum, I assume some feedback/questions will not be amiss.

Are you a cradle Catholic?
What was your educational situation (public or parochial)? Primarily Nuns or Lay teachers?

Could you elaborate on where/how this teaching was instilled in you?

What about other prayers?

I will grant you that the road to Hell is wide and well trodden, but even if the gates of heaven are not thrown wide to us the instant we ask is not the same as locked and barred.

Your right. If Jesus in not in your heart, he cannot be in your tabernacle. It’s just a sad fact.

Based on the things you have written so far, Jesus has never been there for you and so how could he have betrayed or abandoned you?

Even the mystics and other saintly types have experienced God’s “abandonment”.

So just how do you know they are special and holy to Him?

So, since your professions of Love were from duress, and you never really loved Jesus how are all the other things His fault?
(The duress factor not totally unfounded in impressionalbe children. I have a certain problem with the whole paradise or punishment issue myself.)

Since you say above that you never loved Him, there should be no reason to expect Him to be at your beck and call.

[quoteThese are the core reasons, as you can see they are not so much theological “bible quote” reasons but reasons of experience. If anyone chooses to respond, I must admit Bible quotes mean nothing to me because the Bible speaks nice words that i believe are empty. Words are nice and all, but actions speak louder. Part of the reason I trusted in Jesus so much was those nice words, which I see now are empty.
Perhaps no one can really help me, since in my experience that first thing that will probably cross a Christians mind is whether I am possessed, or oppressed by demons or involved in the occult, or in one way or another bad and wrong before Jesus who can do no wrong.
How do you explain this Jesus I have experienced? He is not consistent with the Jesus others describe here … why the difference? How do you justify how Jesus treated me or am I (as always) completely to blame and bad and wrong?

First let me say that I do not see you as being possessed, demonic, or anything else. The fact that you are here means to me one of a coupe of things.

1. You truly believe in God, but have been so poorly taught that your faith has completely collapsed.
2. You truly do not believe in God and are here to test us. (which I don’t buy for a moment)
3. you believe in God, but you have characterological issues and you come here to reinforce feelings of self loathing and worthlessness.

Secondly, I’m not a big fan of bible quotes either. If one is not disposed to accept bible teaching, it is a pointless exersize - even counterproductive.

Third, If you wish to dialog about God and discuss the issues you raise above we would be happy to do so.

I have read similer things from you before and I do try to understand your position. You have reached the point of denying everything Christian. Could you tell us the positive side of your spirit? Forget Jesus for a moment, forget the Church etc, Do you believe in a diety? How do you view this diety? things like that. It would certainly help to understand the things you do believe in rather than just what you don’t.

Peace
James
[/quote]

Dude this isn’t a theological debate we are after, she doesn’t need refutations for her post, try to be a bit more sensitive will ya?

 

[rinnie]

You know i have kept up with this post off and on for a few weeks. I am at the point now and please forgive me, One point i think it is a cry for help, and then another its just a way to push peoples buttons to turn them against the church. But to be honest anyone who truely Rejects Jesus, there isnt much we can really do. Yes pray for her soul, but its her choice. If she was mislead thru the church thats one thing, but i dont think that she was, The church does not mislead people. Just because a person is baptized Catholic doesnt automatically make them a catholic. thats just the foundation, the rest is up to up to seek out and learn the faith. Then when you really truely learn it then and only then can you understand it, But God doesnt make things perfect for us here, He helps us help ourself. If you reject him thats your choice, but you cant blame him. Sorry if i insulted anyone. But enough is enough. I mean how can you say that the faith mislead you if you dont even know what it is. Unless im sorry maybe im misreading this post or am missing the point.

 

[JRKH]

Dude this isn’t a theological debate we are after, she doesn’t need refutations for her post, try to be a bit more sensitive will ya?

Harmony,
Actually I try very hard to be supportive. I’m usually criticized for being too liberal/soft. Anyway…
I certainly apologize if my comments came across as too harsh.

Since is an older thread, I suggest you look at this newer thread:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=219870

Peace
James

 

[jeaniemarie]

Just because a person is baptized Catholic doesnt automatically make them a catholic. thats just the foundation, the rest is up to up to seek out and learn the faith. Then when you really truely learn it then and only then can you understand it…

I mean how can you say that the faith mislead you if you dont even know what it is.

I totally agree. Many of my formerly Catholic friends harbor a lot of resentment toward the Church for failing them in their walk with God. But almost without fail, I find that when they were in the Church they were not the least bit interested in pursuing God on their own. In fact - many only attended mass at Easter and Christmas. At some point, we must take responsiblity for our relationship with God.

 

[rinnie]

I totally agree. Many of my formerly Catholic friends harbor a lot of resentment toward the Church for failing them in their walk with God. But almost without fail, I find that when they were in the Church they were not the least bit interested in pursuing God on their own. In fact - many only attended mass at Easter and Christmas. At some point, we must take responsiblity for our relationship with God.

AMEN

 

[distracted]

I wish i had time to read all the posts but i don’t so i hope i don’t repeat anything…

I have felt, more or less, a lot of what you feel. But i notice that when i am in sin (which, admittedly is about all the time since i am a human being), I feel more distant from Jesus than when i am in a state of grace. Also, i feel FAR closer to Him in Church than outside it… & that is not my fault… the world is full of sin…

Anyway, What is really weird is that sometimes i feel very much as you describe… (long story) but then - well, sometimes this odd thing happens: The “sun” one day shines through, unexpectedly,. & without me knowing really why, what i did to “deserve” such and such a blessing. I pray this happens to you. It is a difficult experience to put into words. It is mysterious sometimes, why i feel better, closer to God, etc, than others.
One thing, however, is not a mystery: Sin causes separation from God (Christ). It is not because God WANTS to be separated from us. It is the nature of sin. Sin is so powerful, it took the Crucifixion to destroy it… (yet we must apply Christ’s sacrifice to destroy the sins we are prone to), Sin causes us to love the world, the flesh and the devil more than God or instead of God. Then, after it is commited, it is that much harder to break away from it & turn towards a holy, perfect God again.
The sad thing is, we are all sinners and always will be. We almost can’t help sinning (ALMOST). Yet, we must always fight sin and the devil always. Sin, (yes, i know you know this), causes consequences that take a lot of prayer, fasting, etc… to get healed of.
That is not God’s fault.
Have you ever spent a lot of time out in nature alone with God?
I find that helps a lot. Being around people (w/ varying degrees of “sanctity” or lack thereof…) without a break can really mess me up.
also, have you ever just sat at the Blessed Sacrament and said nothing at all, just sat there and let Jesus do whatever He wants with you? I find that very helpful.
Praying for you. God bless.

 

[distracted]

Also, have you ever offered up your obvious sufferings to God - for past sins, for the Souls in Purgatory? I find this helps in ways difficult to put into words (especially when i am running out of time ).

God bless…

 

[Metaron]

1. All the novenas I ever prayed, never worked…

Maybe this is your problem; you just wanted something for yourself.

 

[BlessedRosary3]

Uglygal I am sorry you have abandoned your faith, though from previous posts of yours, unless I am mistaken, this is not a recent thing. You are in my prayers, as are all who find their faith lacking (myself included sometimes).

With regard to novenas ‘‘not being answered’’ have you considered that the answer might be no? God is not a vending machine who dishes out rewards for the right combination of words.

God Bless

Peter

Yes, exactly. Just remember Jesus in the Garden - “Let this cup pass from me…if it be Your will.”

 

[distracted]

Once i started spending a lot of time with Jesus @ the Exposed Sacrament, and also the unexposed… i began to feel very close to Him. The only problem is, when you leave there, a lot of what you got seems to go away - or do i only speak for myself. But anyway, i just keep going back.

I pray you find Jesus in a big way. He is everything.

 

[distracted]

Your condition proves the importance of being Catholic. Only the Catholic Church has the Blessed Sacrament - Jesus REALLY with us in a tangible way. We humans are physical so we need His physical presence. Humans were never meant just to have a biblical Jesus, a “head knowledge” of Him… We are very weak, sinful, clue-less, needy and Jesus knew this and that is why He gave ALL of himself in the Eucharist. He knew we needed ALL of Him… Jesus loves you far more than you know…

It took me SO long to find Him… A good priest told me about spending time at the Blessed Sacrament… I was raised Catholic, yet never knew about the Real Presence until he told me.

If there are other priests out there, please take this message to heart and tell your parishioners. They may be like me and not know. Thanks.

 

[distracted]

i agree w/ something someone else said here:

I am not comfortable w/ your handle… No matter what you look like on the outside and/or or how much anger (etc) there is on the inside, you are beautiful because God created you. And in the next world, you will be even more beautiful, if you end up with God.

Sure the world, the flesh and the devil tell you you are not good enough (that’s the message i get… ) but those 3 are all passing away some day.

“As a man thinketh, so is he” (Proverbs?)