Why is Christianity right and Islam wrong?

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Meanwhile, since this is Christianity and Islam discussion, I want to mention something very interesting and amazing mentioned by His Holiness Pope Francis just yesterday:

" Do not get tired of bringing the** mercy of the Father** to the poor, the sick, the abandoned, the young people and families.** Let Jesus be known** in the world of politics, business, arts, science, technology and social media. "

I know that Islam is meant to be spread worldwide, however, if God the Father and Jesus’ message is meant to be spread worldwide, where does that leave Islam?

MJ
 
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Meanwhile, since this is Christianity and Islam discussion, I want to mention something very interesting and amazing mentioned by His Holiness Pope Francis just yesterday:

" Do not get tired of bringing the** mercy of the Father** to the poor, the sick, the abandoned, the young people and families.** Let Jesus be known** in the world of politics, business, arts, science, technology and social media. "

I know that Islam is meant to be spread worldwide, however, if God the Father and Jesus’ message is meant to be spread worldwide, where does that leave Islam?

MJ
If I may humbly ask you Martin, what do you think this beautiful quote from Pope Francis means?
What does it mean to let Jesus be known in all aspects of life, business, arts, science etc?
 
If I may humbly ask you Martin, what do you think this beautiful quote from Pope Francis means?
What does it mean to let Jesus be known in all aspects of life, business, arts, science etc?
Come now please. This the Pope.

The question is where does it leave ISLAM?

MJ
 
Come now please. This the Pope.

The question is where does it leave ISLAM?

MJ
Not sure why my question was not worthy of your thoughts?

Either way, in the light of the fact that Islam revers Jesus so highly, I would say that they would welcome the Popes thoughts.

They do believe Jesus was a Muslim
 
Not sure why my question was not worthy of your thoughts?
Im waiting for…
Either way, in the light of the fact that Islam revers Jesus so highly, I would say that they would welcome the Popes thoughts.
They do believe Jesus was a Muslim
Actually they have an affection for Mother Mary. However, Jesus is a highly revered prophet but not God.

God the Father and Jesus are One in their Divinity. The Pope here talks about Jesus His Only Son (God) who should be the focus point of the politics, business, arts, science, technology and social media in spreading the Gospel Truth.

You really think Islam welcomes the propogation of Jesus this way?

Let me also add (granted Pope Francis was conveying the message via video in English to the Philippines today for the first Philippine Conference on the New Evangelization.)

“Let the Holy Spirit renew creation and bring forth justice and peace in the Philippines and** in the great continent of Asia **that is close to my heart.”

And who is the Holy Spirit according to Islam?

MJ
 
Im waiting for…

Actually they have an affection for Mother Mary. However, Jesus is a highly revered prophet but not God.

God the Father and Jesus are One in their Divinity. The Pope here talks about Jesus His Only Son (God) who should be the focus point of the politics, business, arts, science, technology and social media in spreading the Gospel Truth.

You really think Islam welcomes the propogation of Jesus this way?

MJ
So what does the promotion of Jesus as God in politics, arts, business, science etc look like in a practical sense?
 
The real message, the practical message is to PRAY for Guidance. It’s all about focusing directly on Christ.

MJ
Ok 🙂

So, given that Muslims pray to the same God anyway, (even according to the Catholic Church) why would this mean the end of Islam?

While you may feel they are not praying to Jesus, they in actuality are praying to Jesus right? (Because all truth is Catholic truth right?)
 
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I know that Islam is meant to be spread worldwide, however, if God the Father and Jesus’ message is meant to be spread worldwide, where does that leave Islam?

MJ
Martin,
. If I may join the conversation, which captures my interest, allow me to share some thoughts on this.

. According to the head of the Theological Department (Dr Pauline) in Loma Linda University, with whom I have personally spoken, the Jewish religion was also intended to be spread worldwide. Perhaps this stopped due to persecution, but I am not sure. The point being that even as Christ told His disciples to spread the Gospel to all nations, that Muhammad (PBUH) also required His followers to fulfill their duty to God in this manner, along then with the followers of Moses, let us consider them as gears in the same transmission.
. Having the same goal, that is to drive humanity on the road of its journey, to keep it moving spiritually in the direction of its destiny before the Lord of the Day of Judgement, there is no conflict. Hence, there should be no grinding of the gears. That is the fault of humanity, uncoordinated, dis-unified, out of synch with the intention of the Great Designer not only of the gears and transmission, but of the whole vehicle, from its engine to its wheels.
. The passengers in this vehicle, i.e. humanity, have been on one helluva ride due to those driving the vehicle, i.e. the divines and religious leaders, failing to follow the map given to them. For had they truly paid attention, there would be no conflict. But as conflict is evident everywhere, it is clear that the leaders of religion are at fault, as well as those who blindly put their trust in some of them, going in whatever direction they are led, and failing to perceive a unified system of a single, successive design. Thus, they grind away the teeth of the gears as wolves gnawing on flesh, causing pain and destruction wherever they collide.
. One might well ask: “In light of Islam, where does that leave Christendom?” For the focus of worship is Allah (God) alone, above all who are created by Him. They see the Messengers of God equally, as Messengers, even as the Lord Jesus Christ Himself said:

. “The Son can do nothing of Himself, but only that which the Father shows Him”, and
. “These are not My words, but Him that sent Me”

. Hence, the One Who was sent, Jesus (Isa), being a Messenger of Allah (God) was also a plain Warner, as was the Prophet Muhammad, and Moses (Musa) before Them, leading us by different paths to the Promised Land. All of these Prophets are descended from Abraham and His three wives: Sarah, Hagar, and Keturah, to whom God promised blessings upon all the peoples of the earth.

. Where indeed might that leave humanity, from these three mighty stocks of One Root, squandering their lives in bickering and confusion, entrenched in denial each the other, all having succumbed to the same spiritual illness, caught unawares as the Day of Judgement has arrived. The Trumpets have sounded, the Three Woes have come to pass, and yet Humanity persists in proud disdain before the very God each purports to worship, all the while blindly following their leaders who are hell-bent on grinding gears and destroying the divine edifice…

. Where indeed, brother. Where indeed… ?
 
Ok 🙂

So, given that Muslims pray to the same God anyway, (even according to the Catholic Church) why would this mean the end of Islam?

While you may feel they are not praying to Jesus, they in actuality are praying to Jesus right? (Because all truth is Catholic truth right?)
The CCC is giving MUSLIMS credit and in Charity trust in their sincerity praying to the One God but their understanding of HIM is imperfect .

MJ
 
Martin,
. If I may join the conversation, which captures my interest, allow me to share some thoughts on this.

. According to the head of the theological department in Loma Linda, the Jewish religion was also intended to be spread worldwide. Perhaps this stopped due to persecution, but I am not sure. The point being that even as Christ told His disciples to spread the Gospel to all nations, that Muhammad (PBUH) also required His followers to fulfill their duty to God in this manner, along then with the followers of Moses, let us consider them as gears in the same transmission. Having the same goal, that is to drive humanity on the road of its journey, to keep it moving spiritually in the direction of its destiny before the Lord of the Day of Judgement, there is no conflict. Hence, there should be no grinding of the gears. That is the fault of humanity, uncoordinated, dis-unified, out of synch with the intention of the Great Designer not only of the gears and transmission, but of the whole vehicle, from its engine to its wheels.
. The passengers in this vehicle, i.e. humanity, have been on one helluva ride due to those driving the vehicle, i.e. the divines and religious leaders, failing to follow the map given to them. For had they truly paid attention, there would be no conflict. But as conflict is evident everywhere, it is clear that the leaders of religion are at fault, as well as those who blindly put their trust in some of them, going in whatever direction they are led, and failing to perceive a unified system of a single, successive design. Thus, they grind away the teeth of the gears as wolves gnawing on flesh, causing pain and destruction wherever they collide.
. On might well ask: “In light of Islam, where does that leave Christendom?” For the focus of worship is Allah (God) alone, above all who are created by Him. They see the Messengers of God equally, as Messengers, even as the Lord Jesus Christ Himself said:

. “The Son can do nothing of Himself, but only that which the Father does”, and
. “These are not My words, but Him that sent Me”

. Hence, the One Who was sent, being a Messenger of Allah (God) was also a plain Warner, as was the Prophet Muhammad, and Moses before Them, leading us by different paths to the Promised Land. All of these Prophets are descended from Abraham and His three wives: Sarah, Hagar, and Keturah, to whom God promised blessings upon all the peoples of the earth.

. Where indeed might that leave humanity, from these three mighty stocks of One Root, squandering their lives in bickering and confusion, entrenched in denial each the other, all having succumbed to the same spiritual illness, caught unawares as the Day of Judgement has arrived. The Trumpets have sounded, the Three Woes have come to pass, and yet Humanity persists in proud disdain before the very God each purports to worship, all the while blindly following their leaders who are hell-bent on grinding gears and destroying the divine edifice…
Dear Daler, isn’t Loma Linda a 7th Day Adventist organization? Untrustworthy to me.

MJ
 
The CCC is giving MUSLIMS credit and in Charity trust in their sincerity praying to the One God but their understanding of HIM is imperfect .

MJ
So in order to pray to Him with sincerity, you must have a perfect understanding of the One God? :confused:
 
Dear Daler, isn’t Loma Linda a 7th Day Adventist organization? Untrustworthy to me.

MJ
Dear brother Martin,
. Indeed, as I live near their midst, some twenty miles to the east in the San Bernardino mountains wherein is a local church, I have frequented there gatherings, both for worship and study, in an attempt to gain understanding of the particulars of their beliefs, with which I can accept only portions and reject certain conclusions, including some of their denunciations of the Papacy and its history. They draw conclusions which I do not support, and have pointed out certain mis-conclusions with very sufficient evidences as to their failures in historical conclusions. As is the case of most people who have indoctrinated since their youth to a particular set of ideas, to de-entrench such souls and enlighten them does not come easy.

. I do recognize their time prophecies pointing to 1844 as the date of the Lord’s 2nd coming, which is the year 1260 AH, which fits perfectly with the prophecies of Daniel, Jeremiah, and St John the Revelator. However they have constructed out of faulty reasoning a timeframe centering on and demonizing the Papacy, concluding the year 1798 AD as the fulfillment of the 1260, wholly disregarding the coming into play of Islam and its own conclusion in that year of 1260 AH = 1844 = 2300 days mentioned in Daniel, as well as the time, times, and a half, (360 +720 + 180 = 1260), the 42 months (x 30 days) = 1260. Which reasoning and interpretation is well founded, but misapplied, as mentioned.

. More evidence will be readily shared if interested, which may presently be not.

God bless us all with His understanding,
Peace be unto you, my friend
 
So in order to pray to Him with sincerity, you must have a perfect understanding of the One God? :confused:
As Ive reiterated over again, it is Charity at the heart of the Catholic Church, with Charity (God’s Love) we allow Muslims the benefit of the doubt that they pray in sincerity to God even if they have an imperfect understanding.

MJ
 
Islam is, at least in its scriptures, grounded in the Gnostic heresy.

The Islamic description of the crucifixion is almost literally taken straight from one of the gnostic gospels.

Much of the body of teachings comprising the Quran is Gnosticism. It does reject one tenet of Gnosticism - that salvation is by knowledge alone - but it still is fundamentally gnostic in other respects.
 
Islam is, at least in its scriptures, grounded in the Gnostic heresy.

The Islamic description of the crucifixion is almost literally taken straight from one of the gnostic gospels.

Much of the body of teachings comprising the Quran is Gnosticism. It does reject one tenet of Gnosticism - that salvation is by knowledge alone - but it still is fundamentally gnostic in other respects.
Forgive me if I say that its purported origin and all objective evidence to be considered places it at the same Source of the Jewish and Christian Source, or Wellhead, and it is definitely not a gnostic construct, which is entirely unrelated.

The issue of the crucifixion is that the eternal Being of the Christ, which existed before Abraham, or that Spirit Itself, was not crucified, but only the physical body. No one can crucify the “I AM” of Jesus. This must be pondered deeply to understand, and also the mis-translators of the Quran have also failed to comprehend its meaning and import. I have read at least four varying interpretations of this one set of verses pertaining to the Crucifixion, and fully conclude that while the “garment” of the physical body only, was indeed crucified, what is meant is that He Who lives cannot be put upon any man’s cross.
. You may wish to nail my suit of clothes to the wall, but my soul you cannot pierce with the spear of hate. His body was nailed to the cross, it is true, but His Spirit, which was before Abraham, was not. This is the meaning of this verse, though many Muslims themselves fail to see it that way.

God bless, brother. Such questions are valid, but must form conclusions not based upon mere repetition of ignorant traditions and misunderstandings. No offense intended, but just plainly stating the truth as is obvious to me, and many others…
 
As Ive reiterated over again, it is Charity at the heart of the Catholic Church, with Charity (God’s Love) we allow Muslims the benefit of the doubt that they pray in sincerity to God even if they have an imperfect understanding.

MJ
I honor your trust, and I’m sure all Muslims similarly trust that you are praying with sincerity too 🙂

May I ask how praying for guidance is to “let Jesus be known in the world of politics, business, arts, science, technology and social media”?

How does praying make Jesus to be known in these areas?
 
I honor your trust, and I’m sure all Muslims similarly trust that you are praying with sincerity too 🙂

May I ask how praying for guidance is to “let Jesus be known in the world of politics, business, arts, science, technology and social media”?

How does praying make Jesus to be known in these areas?
Why not start a new thread on this?

MJ
 
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