Why is Islam wrong?

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Why is Islam wrong? Let me count the ways:

First, Mohamed’s claim that an angel told him to write the Quran is unsubstantiated. In order for me to believe his claim, I would have to have blind faith in Mohamed. But Mohamed believed in lying, in cheating, in stealing other men’s wives. Mohamed is not trustworthy. Therefore, I don’t believe Mohamed.

Second, Mohamed’s legacy, the Quran, was such a shambles that his faithful followers decided to burn the originals and substitue a copy. That would not be permitted in any court of law today. If the oriiginals were burned accidently, that is one thing, but the originals were bunred maliciously with the intent that no one ever be able to compare the copy to the original.

In other words, the originals were burned in order to hide the truth.

Third, Mohamed’s followers do not give an example that I would follow. They believe in lying, they believe in cheating, they believe it is fine to conquer, pillage, rape and enslave. They don’t permit freedom of conscience or religion.

Fourth, Islamic doctrines are contradictory. They contradict the doctrines in the Quran and the Quran itself is contradictory.

Fifth, Islam obviously can’t govern itself. Some believe the Quran requires war on unbelievers, some believe it doesn’t. The ones who believe it does seem to have the upper hand and the ones who believe it doesn’t are afraid to explain to the others their different opinion on pain of death.

Either that or they are trying to pull the wool over our eyes until the others can eliminate us.

Sincerely,

De Maria
 
I really want to be a strong Catholic, but then I get these thoughts. Anyway, for whatever reason, I thought about Islam last night, I dont know why, but it bothered me… I just want reassurance from this group, and I want to know why we should not believe in Islam.

Because it is founded on a conspiracy theory that all the Jewish and Christian texts were corrupted therefore Allah needed to give a final revelation to Mohammed. The scriptural evidence of over 6000 uncorrupted originals and copies of originals in existance, the Dead Sea Scrolls - particularly look at Isaiah almost word perfect with the earliest known copy despite being buried around two thousand years. Witnesses outside the traditions like Tacitus and Josephus who reported on events that agree with the texts. The fact that the original Apostles (except John) were martyred for their faith, painfully, and no one has been ever known to die voluntarily for what THEY KNOW TO BE A LIE. To believe Islam says the Apostles lied about the resurrection of Jesus. There ONLY PROOF is the Quran - the original is lost (in heaven) and the Quran today collected over two to three hundred years. The Christian scriptures were written down within 40-100 after the death of Jesus. The earliest is Thessalonians.
 
Okay so you shown us some pictures of “nature” forming your God Where did you get those pics? If it’s off the internet, how can you be sure they are real? Big foot pictures were posted on the internet and before that they were given to other media sources. And we know that he’s fake. I know you didn’t take those yourself. Why are you sure islam is real? Besides pictures.
 
THurifer2 said:
What is wrong with islam…You know I was just thinking that the other day…I just can’t seem to get past that False Religion thing.
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Brilliant. According to Dr Mark durie, Australia. “A Pagan Death Cult” that has borrowed its religious writings from everyone else.
 
dolphinlove said:
He aint the only aussie to think that way… 😃
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Great another from downunder … You have a great Cardinel in Sydney.
Back to subject - Why is Islam Wrong? Because it says Allah or God is impersonal, unknowable and a Creator God. Therefore how can a Creator God be impersonal? Isn’t creating a personal act? How can an impersonal God save? Why would an impersonal God care enough to save? How can a messenger of an impersonal God proclaim a God he can’t know!!! (Gottcha) Also these ideas courtesy of another wonderful Australian Dr Daniel Shayesteh (ex- Muslim)
 
AgnosTheist said:
I will give you 4 major reasons:
  1. Founded by a corrupted man (Mohammad) who murdered his critics, married a 6yr old, plunged his region into war, enslaved entire villages (even children!), massacred POWs, and died of a simple poisoning.
  2. A flawed Quran that makes baseless claims, has errors, and had a much higher rate of violence than any other religious scripture out there. Unlike the bible’s violence which are limited and expired, the Koran’s violence is unlimited in duration.
  3. The Backwards & often Barbaric Muslim communities. Religion is just as good as the kind of people it breeds. Though Islam produced better people in the past, its policies are rigid, unchanging, and thus obsolete. The world had caught up and surpassed it. Thus while other countries are advancing, muslims are still trapped in the past. Islam remains as their biggest obstacle to progress.
  4. Islam mixes religion with politics. Need I say more?
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In respect to claim 1), that doesn’t seem to agree exactly with the material I’ve read. Granted, Mohammed did things which seem greatly offensive in our eyes, but the same can be said for Moses and many other figures in the Bible.
  1. The same can be said about the Bible, at least if wrongly interpreted. The amount of violence that has been done in the name of the Bible and Christianity (ranging from the Crusades to the persecutions of heretics, witch-crazes and the many wars of religion) is as staggering as any Islam has done. Christianity has no moral superiority in this regard. Interpreted literally as a factbook on history or science, the Bible is not just wrong, it is greatly wrong, on things ranging from how the universe formed to the biological and geological evolution of our planet.
  2. Islamic civilisation has in its past, produced some of the world’s finest poets, scientists, philosophers, and theologians, some of whom the medieval Christian philosophers drew on. For much of history the West was backward compared to the civilisations in China, India, and the Islamic world. True, history for the past few centuries has been in the West’s favour, but the Chinese and Indians are rapidly catching up and there is no reason to believe the Islamic world will not either in time. It is basically really blinkered to claim no other world civilisation besides one’s own achieved anything worthwhile of merit.
  3. One needs only to look at the history of the Papacy, particularly during the medieval and Renaissance period, to see the excesses of theocratic and clerical rule and the attempt of religious leaders to also be politicians. Christianity also has a very long history of politics being mingled with religion, from Constantine to modern Evangelical Christianity and Catholic Bishops threatening to excommunicate Catholic politicians who vote the ‘wrong way’ in certain moral issues (or at least are asked to consider refraining from holy communion).
 
Islam is wrong for a lot of reasons but it’s lowest common denominator is this…Islam is the vehicle for Arab supremism. I know this is inflamatory but the truth is the truth. Read the Koran.
 
It won’t be so inflammatory if you back your assertion with reasons.

Consider this. Reasons for my last post:

Jesus achieved victory by his death on the cross. Jesus knew his death was a mission of paramount importance and he would not allow anyone to stand in his way in achieving this.
Mt. 16:21-23 … Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem … and be killed and on the third day be raised. Then Peter took him aside and rebuked him. “God forbid, Lord! No such thing shall ever happen to you.” He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are an obstacle to me. …”

Satan knows this. In defeat his rare-guard actions were attempts to nullify Jesus victory by lying to unsuspected victims today.

To Satan, the only thing that matters, which is the cause of his defeat, is the death of Jesus. Anything else is expedient if he can con the people that Jesus did not die, because this denies them the salvation.

The Quran denies Jesus death without any evidence whatsoever.

No matter what Mohammad preached, his most important actions were antithesis to Jesus Christ: -

Mohammad killed and caused someone to be killed.
Jesus asks us to love our enemy and pray to those who persecute us. (Mt 5:44)

Mohammad lied and allowed it.
Jesus abhors it. *“Let your “yes” means a “yes” and your “no” mean a “no”. Anything else is from the evil one”. *(Mt 5:27)

Mohammad had multiple wives and allowed polygamy (the scourge of broken families and broken lives as consequence of transgression of soul ties).
Jesus advocates men should only have one wife as originally intended by God. (Ref. Mt 19)

Mohammad, who by then a 53-year-old grandfather, sexually abused a nine-year-old child. Even though it was called a marriage, in all intent and purpose, this is cruel child abuse and a sinless prophet (sic) should know better!
Jesus places great priority to little children. “… For the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” (Ref. Mt 19:13-15)

In short, what Jesus stands for, Mohammad trampled.

This should be enough reason why Christians should be very wary of Islam.

Mt 7:15-16
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will know them …”

Peace.

Reuben.
 
Greg27 said:
In respect to claim 1), that doesn’t seem to agree exactly with the material I’ve read. Granted, Mohammed did things which seem greatly offensive in our eyes, but the same can be said for Moses and many other figures in the Bible.
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There were two corrupted bible figures. David who began as a good man, a prophet, but he stole another man’s wife and had the man killed. But he repented. The other corrupted prophet was Solomon. You know why.

Similarly, Mohammad began his career with honor and sincerity but later on power corrupted him and he did a lot foul deeds. From assassinating a single mom who insulted him to the massacre of an entire tribe of defenseless POWs.
Greg27 said:
  1. The same can be said about the Bible, at least if wrongly interpreted. The amount of violence that has been done in the name of the Bible and Christianity (ranging from the Crusades to the persecutions of heretics, witch-crazes and the many wars of religion) is as staggering as any Islam has done. Christianity has no moral superiority in this regard. Interpreted literally as a factbook on history or science, the Bible is not just wrong, it is greatly wrong, on things ranging from how the universe formed to the biological and geological evolution of our planet.
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I agree thats why I implied that the bible is also violent but to a lesser degree. And a much lesser duration.
Greg27 said:
  1. Islamic civilisation has in its past, produced some of the world’s finest poets, scientists, philosophers, and theologians, some of whom the medieval Christian philosophers drew on. For much of history the West was backward compared to the civilisations in China, India, and the Islamic world. True, history for the past few centuries has been in the West’s favour, but the Chinese and Indians are rapidly catching up and there is no reason to believe the Islamic world will not either in time. It is basically really blinkered to claim no other world civilisation besides one’s own achieved anything worthwhile of merit.
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The islamic world is still producing fine poets, scientists, philosophers and theologians right now. However Islam is very limiting (like gender discrimination) . Thats why there is only so much that they can attain.
Greg27 said:
  1. One needs only to look at the history of the Papacy, particularly during the medieval and Renaissance period, to see the excesses of theocratic and clerical rule and the attempt of religious leaders to also be politicians.
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That is true. But its history. Christianity readily adopted the separation of church & state because its founders (jesus & his apostles) never engaged in politics. Islam is an entirely different beast. Democracy keep on failing in muslim countries for how can you separate politics from islam when Mohammad (& his apostles) themselves were political dictators?
 
pismopal said:
Islam is wrong for a lot of reasons but it’s lowest common denominator is this…Islam is the vehicle for Arab supremism. I know this is inflamatory but the truth is the truth. Read the Koran.
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See here for what an ex-jihadist and Muslim apostate has to say about it.

"The fundamental principle of Islam is “divide and rule,” which splits humanity socially and politically. It seeks to perpetuate itself through a permanent strife based on the distinction of Momin (the Muslim) and Kafir (the non- Muslim). The Koran in The Disputer, LVIII: 20, states this fact in undisputable terms: the non-Muslims have been labelled as the “Satan’s Party” and the followers of Allah and Muhammad are designated as “God’s Party.”

Further, the Koran calls members of the “Satan’s Party” as “despicable” and declares that “they are surely the losers” but about “God’s Party,” it adds:

  1. *]“They are the people who do not love anyone who
    opposes God and His Messenger, not even if they
    were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or
    their clan… He (Allah) shall admit them into
    Gardens underneath which rivers flow, therein to
    dwell for ever, God being well-pleased with them,
    and they well-pleased with Him. Those are surely
    God’s Party … they are the prosperers.”
    For a clear understanding of these verses, the following facts may be noted carefully:

    1. *]1. Members of the “Satan’s Party” are bound to be losers. They are despicable because they do not acknowledge Allah and Muhammad.
      1. Members of “God’s Party” are the people, who do not love the opponents of Allah and Muhammad, even if they happen to be their fathers, sons, brothers or members of their nation (clan). These are the people, who will prosper in this life and shall be admitted into paradise in the next world.
        Here is the permanent division of Muslims and non- Muslims based on everlasting social and political conflict, assuring the Muslims the final victory. However, a person cannot join God’s Party until he completely severs his relationship with his parents, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters and countrymen, if they do not accept Islam: This is the bane of all non-Arab countries where Islam entered by virtue of sword, migration or propaganda. In such lands, it becomes the duty of all converts to Islam that they must accept the Arab cultural hegemony, that is, subordinate all their national institutions to those of Arabia, adopt Islamic law, learn Arabic and Arab manners; love Mecca and Arabs to acknowledge Muhammad as the Model of Behaviour because being an Arab he loved and enforced everything that was Arabian. Still worse, they must hate their own culture and motherland to such an extent that it becomes Dar-ul-Harb, i.e. a living battlefield. In practice it means that they must set up an opposite camp in their own motherland and fight their own countrymen until they all surrender to the Arab Cultural Imperialism by embracing Islam. It is then and only then that the country becomes Dar-ul-Islam i.e. the Land of Peace; otherwise it remains a battlefield (Dar-ul-Harb) where murder and rape of the non-Muslims ranks as good; lying, cheating and dishonesty are considered necessary evils and hence, form part of the indigenous Muslim morality. Motherland! What Motherland? The land of one’s birth where one grows up, lives and finds the last refuge, is deemed as the biggest joke under the magic of Arabian influence. These non-Arab Muslims develop a special sense of contempt for their own cultures and motherlands under the pretence of believing in the Muslim nationhood, which is just a mirage, a misconception, a morbid condition of the mind". Anwar Sheikh
      Vickie
 
Greg27 said:
Christianity has no moral superiority in this regard. Interpreted literally as a factbook on history or science, the Bible is not just wrong, it is greatly wrong, on things ranging from how the universe formed to the biological and geological evolution of our planet.
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Just to get into perspective.🙂 The Bible is never meant to be a fact book on History nor Science, and so it should never be seen as such. It’s God’s word for those who believe, and if you don’t, it can be just another book, another fairy tale. No science nor history therefore can prove the Bible wrong. Theory of evolution has never been categorically proven right. So these things still based on faith (or whatever, for want of better word) where one cannot get the required evidence.

The Bible has moral superiority but Christians may not. Christianity yes but that depend on how you look at it.
 
Booklover said:
See here for what an ex-jihadist and Muslim apostate has to say about it.

"The fundamental principle of Islam is “divide and rule,” which splits humanity socially and politically. It seeks to perpetuate itself through a permanent strife based on the distinction of Momin (the Muslim) and Kafir (the non- Muslim). The Koran in The Disputer, LVIII: 20, states this fact in undisputable terms: the non-Muslims have been labelled as the “Satan’s Party” and the followers of Allah and Muhammad are designated as “God’s Party.”

Further, the Koran calls members of the “Satan’s Party” as “despicable” and declares that “they are surely the losers” but about “God’s Party,” it adds:

  1. *]“They are the people who do not love anyone who
    opposes God and His Messenger, not even if they
    were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or
    their clan… He (Allah) shall admit them into
    Gardens underneath which rivers flow, therein to
    dwell for ever, God being well-pleased with them,
    and they well-pleased with Him. Those are surely
    God’s Party … they are the prosperers.”
    For a clear understanding of these verses, the following facts may be noted carefully:

    1. *]1. Members of the “Satan’s Party” are bound to be losers. They are despicable because they do not acknowledge Allah and Muhammad.
      1. Members of “God’s Party” are the people, who do not love the opponents of Allah and Muhammad, even if they happen to be their fathers, sons, brothers or members of their nation (clan). These are the people, who will prosper in this life and shall be admitted into paradise in the next world.
        Here is the permanent division of Muslims and non- Muslims based on everlasting social and political conflict, assuring the Muslims the final victory. However, a person cannot join God’s Party until he completely severs his relationship with his parents, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters and countrymen, if they do not accept Islam: This is the bane of all non-Arab countries where Islam entered by virtue of sword, migration or propaganda. In such lands, it becomes the duty of all converts to Islam that they must accept the Arab cultural hegemony, that is, subordinate all their national institutions to those of Arabia, adopt Islamic law, learn Arabic and Arab manners; love Mecca and Arabs to acknowledge Muhammad as the Model of Behaviour because being an Arab he loved and enforced everything that was Arabian. Still worse, they must hate their own culture and motherland to such an extent that it becomes Dar-ul-Harb, i.e. a living battlefield. In practice it means that they must set up an opposite camp in their own motherland and fight their own countrymen until they all surrender to the Arab Cultural Imperialism by embracing Islam. It is then and only then that the country becomes Dar-ul-Islam i.e. the Land of Peace; otherwise it remains a battlefield (Dar-ul-Harb) where murder and rape of the non-Muslims ranks as good; lying, cheating and dishonesty are considered necessary evils and hence, form part of the indigenous Muslim morality. Motherland! What Motherland? The land of one’s birth where one grows up, lives and finds the last refuge, is deemed as the biggest joke under the magic of Arabian influence. These non-Arab Muslims develop a special sense of contempt for their own cultures and motherlands under the pretence of believing in the Muslim nationhood, which is just a mirage, a misconception, a morbid condition of the mind". Anwar Sheikh
      Vickie
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    1. Hello Vickie, I have not been around for the last few days and did not post anything, but just read your reference to a person called Anwar Sheikh, who is this guy…? where is he come from what is his background…? why is it so important to you that you make references to anti Islamic site…?

      The best thing you can do is to review the Quran yourself and not use biased sources as a fact, it does not do any good to your post.

      Let’s try again…shall we…!
 
AgnosTheist said:
There were two corrupted bible figures.
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Saying there were only two is being generous. Jacob stole his birthright.
Lot slept with his daughters.
Noah immeidately became the world’s first drunk after hitting dry land.
Cain didn’t fare so well.
Adam did a no-no. Eve didn’t help.
Joseph’s brothers sold him into slavery.
Joseph was a vain, spoiled, troublemaker.
Miriam talked trash about Moses’ wife.
Aaron never said no to the making of the Golden Calf.

If the bible teaches anything, it is that any degenerate can do God’s will. (Personally, I think that is one of its greater stregths).
 
To all, I say to you that Why is Islam wrong…is grammatically wrong and very colloquial question and whoever started the thread, honestly did not realize it since he or she new there will be lots of folks who would be happy enough to point out what they think and believe is wrong with Islam, so rest assured there is no “why Islam is wrong” since nothing is wrong with Islam to begin with.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is more than welcome to bring his or her own knowledge, experiences and fair minded answers, just don’t borrow what someone else has said and if you want to do that then please be good enough to check out the rebuttal of such claims.

Thanks and God bless,
 
AbeOman said:
To all, I say to you that Why is Islam wrong…is grammatically wrong and very colloquial question and whoever started the thread, honestly did not realize it since he or she new there will be lots of folks who would be happy enough to point out what they think and believe is wrong with Islam, so rest assured there is no “why Islam is wrong” since nothing is wrong with Islam to begin with.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is more than welcome to bring his or her own knowledge, experiences and fair minded answers, just don’t borrow what someone else has said and if you want to do that then please be good enough to check out the rebuttal of such claims.

Thanks and God bless,
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Honestly I do not want to be bothered much with Islam nor do I really, really want to argue about it. Basically I have no problem with Muslims. Yes, I disagree with Islam. But that is when Islam challenges the fundamentals of Christian faith. If you come here and tell us that Jesus did not die, that He is not God and that the Bible is corrupted by men, you would expect us to defend our faith. Not blindly but with the facts and undertsandings that we have.

God bless you brother.
 
AbeOman said:
Hello Vickie, I have not been around for the last few days and did not post anything, but just read your reference to a person called Anwar Sheikh, who is this guy…? where is he come from what is his background…? why is it so important to you that you make references to anti Islamic site…?

The best thing you can do is to review the Quran yourself and not use biased sources as a fact, it does not do any good to your post.

Let’s try again…shall we…!
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I am not Vickie, but your post strikes my attention. 🙂

Which part of the article that is problematic with you?

I know that we can label certain sites as anti something or anti someone. But as to the facts that they are anti Islam … Is it because that these sites do not agree with you or what?

There are things that you can get from such sites that may be informative and even factual. Are you going to ingnore them just because they differ from you? And moreover, which sites are true spokemen for Islam? I understand that Islam does not have any official spokepersons unlike, for example Catholicism. As for Catholic you can be more or less sure you are quoting reliable sources if you quote from Catholic sites, such as here. Or better still, the Vatican.

Maybe discuss those problematic issues first, regardless of where they come from. Otherwise discussion with regards to Islam can be very limited.

Hope I am not offending, and if I do, my sincere apology. 🙂
 
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