Why is it better to be Catholic?

[lordie]

actually no @nogames ,we cannot pick and choose a verse or scripture to prove a point ,when Jesus didn’t do that ,he loved all ,there fore we must love all , and allow them to be who they want to be , not some religious zombie , what they want to be , now I don’t quote the bible ,I feel that’s thumbing and I don’t like it done to me so I don’t do unto others , I simply post a quote or poem a made and they can decide for themselves… we must give freedom to those who want to find their own path in life , and let their heart lead them .instead of man ,that loves

 

[pablope]

pablope:

I have responded…but you have not proferred any “man-centered” doctrine yet…so we are all waiting.

I am saying you need the Church…that Jesus established…because that is what is has always been…since the time of the Apostles…but the CC does not deny that other churches can offer graces.

There are many churches that teach something similar to what the Catholic Church has taught since the time of Peter…but the question is…is it the right gospel and the full gospel from the Apostles?

Again…where is your example of a man-centered doctrine? You seem to be running away from providing at least one.

Your response was just more Catholic talking points in which you were careful not to give anything specific regarding the question I asked. My question is this: How do we receive Jesus, and the salvation that He provides?

Your response: I am saying you need the Church…that Jesus established…because that is what is has always been…since the time of the Apostles…but the CC does not deny that other churches can offer graces.

Is this your answer?

This is the basic answer…

You still have to offered a man centered doctrine…I am of the opinion you could not offer one.

 

[pablope]

Pup7:

What is “the way”?

“The Way” is one of the names of the early church. It is a common talking point among Catholics that the Catholic Church is the church founded by Jesus, and that while the apostles were alive, no other church had yet come into existence.

Why…do you think this is not true?

 

[pablope]

theCardinalbird:

The reason why I think it’s best to be Catholic, is because the church, as Saint Paul says: in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.

I would NOT choose an ideology that says Christ didn’t make a Church that is supposed to help watch over the faithful. There is but one Church. Is the Church not the bride (singular) of Christ?

Ephesians 5:25-27

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.

There is no problem in stressing the importance of unity in the Church. Though some would rather overlook the call to be one body in Christ.

I agree with you on the importance of unity in the church. I just disagree about what form this unity ought to take. I also agree that there is one church. I disagree with Catholics on the form that the church takes as well.

Well…then…who should decide what the form of the Church that Jesus established to take?

Are you the one to decide what you want it to be?

 

[Pup7]

He’s avoided that question continuously. You’re right.

 

[GLam1761]

Sorry to pick on your post, I just want you to know
that MY PARENTS are very open-minded, not like
me at all. But I have come to be CONVINCED that
the RCC is the Church of God, the Lord, the Risen
and ASCENDED One who will come in glory to judge
the living and the dead!! IMHO all other ground is
sinking sand. see Eph. 2:20.

 

[lordie]

@glam1761 , I didn’t see you pick on anyone , your opinion isn’t bullying or picking its an opinion ,as long as you don’t call people names you are fine , see you found your path ,therefore you are happy on the path you choose , that’s what Jesus wants us to be happy ,to love all ,to experience life ,to relish in the day ,to honor those who are broken ,to build up his legacy w love

 

[GLam1761]

Thanks, @lordie I see that you are a very loving
individual, altho blind to the Light of the Gospel,
Jesus sent his disciples FIRST with this message:
“The Kingdom of God is here, REPENT and believe
the Gospel” Mark 1:15, please smell the roses of
the “fragrance of Life” in these words, it will CHANGE
your whole world-view!!

 

[lordie]

thanks @glam1761 ,but as you can tell I don’t bestow the lack of the gospel ,just don’t want to spoke it , its not us who needs to preach it ,or learn ,but its us who needs to help others find it . in their way .
“we don’t find god for someone ,they find god themselves,we are merely guides to help them on their path”

 

[nogames]

nogames:

pablope:

I have responded…but you have not proferred any “man-centered” doctrine yet…so we are all waiting.

I am saying you need the Church…that Jesus established…because that is what is has always been…since the time of the Apostles…but the CC does not deny that other churches can offer graces.

There are many churches that teach something similar to what the Catholic Church has taught since the time of Peter…but the question is…is it the right gospel and the full gospel from the Apostles?

Again…where is your example of a man-centered doctrine? You seem to be running away from providing at least one.

Your response was just more Catholic talking points in which you were careful not to give anything specific regarding the question I asked. My question is this: How do we receive Jesus, and the salvation that He provides?

Your response: I am saying you need the Church…that Jesus established…because that is what is has always been…since the time of the Apostles…but the CC does not deny that other churches can offer graces.

Is this your answer?

This is the basic answer…

You still have to offered a man centered doctrine…I am of the opinion you could not offer one.

And you are very much entitled to your opinions. Thanks for your response, even though I have to admit that I found it short on specifics.

 

[Pup7]

And you are very much entitled to your opinions. Thanks for your response, even though I have to admit that I found it short on specifics.

I only watch this thread because I’m dying to hear the answer to your “man centered doctrine” proposition.

You do avoid it, pablope was more than specific, and you’re still not answering it. You just ignored it again.

 

[nogames]

nogames:

Pup7:

What is “the way”?

“The Way” is one of the names of the early church. It is a common talking point among Catholics that the Catholic Church is the church founded by Jesus, and that while the apostles were alive, no other church had yet come into existence.

Why…do you think this is not true?

I think that one of the effects of the fall of humanity is the inevitability of divisions between us humans. To assert that the Catholic Church existed for centuries without any “competition” from other churches is absurd because it amounts to a denial of the effects of our fallen condition.

 

[Pup7]

Another question you’ve never answered.

 

[nogames]

Well…then…who should decide what the form of the Church that Jesus established to take?

Are you the one to decide what you want it to be?

ISTM that in general, Catholics are kind of obsessed with the visible Church. I seriously doubt that this is what Jesus had in mind. When I talk with my atheist friends, they point out that, to the extent that Christian churches are visible, they display corruption, abuse, greed, and deep divisions among the various sects. So naturally, the “visible church” is a huge turnoff to these people, and I understand their point.

There is an invisible (hidden and spiritual) part of the church that has existed since Jesus founded the church, and that part of the church is active throughout the world, fulfilling the church mandate to spread the gospel and make disciples. So, if you want a church that is largely about image and majesty, the CC was made for you!

 

[sudy]

Matthew 5:14-16 tells us that it should be visible, for all to see. There’s no division in the Catholic Church… that comes with schism.

 

[nogames]

Matthew 5:14-16 tells us that it should be visible, for all to see. There’s no division in the Catholic Church… that comes with schism.

Hi sudy, there is division in all human religions and institutions, and this is a direct result of the fall of mankind. For this reason, Jesus warned the church about divisions, heresies, and “wolves” within…seeking to carry away the sheep. Although the church founded by Jesus is invisible, there are always wolves among the sheep, and much of what the wolves do is NOT completely invisible.

 

[nogames]

Matthew 5:14-16 tells us that it should be visible, for all to see.

I’m just curious about this comment of yours. Is Matt. 5:14-16 telling us that the church is visible?

 

[lilypadrees]

For me, it is because I was born and raised Catholic. I feel more comfortable in the Catholic Church than I did in Protestant churches (my mother was a Protestant until she converted and became Catholic).

I believe the Catholic Church has the fullness of Truth. And it is the Church God wants me in.

 

[sudy]

When I said there’s no division within the Catholic Church, I didn’t mean there aren’t any wolves or wrongdoers, I meant that the faith is intact. We hold to the same beliefs and doctrines. There will always be elements of sinful man in all walks of life.
Regarding the visible Church, I believe it does mean that, specifically verses 14 and 15. I’m sure there are other meanings, too. There are invisible aspects of the Church, also, such as prayer, almsgiving etc. so I don’t mean to discount all other good works that aren’t seen.

Edit: something just occurred to me, I wasn’t speaking of the buildings themselves, but the body of Christ, the believers holding to the same faith. The buildings are nice, of course, but not essential to the visible Church.

Edit 2: I feel obliged to clarify some points:
I believe that all the baptised from other Christian faiths are grafted into the Church, the Body of Christ. I believe that the Church should be visible to all peoples on Earth as a light to the World, and I believe that the Catholic Church has held firmly to the faith, and that other Christians have grown up in faith groups that have previously altered aspects of the faith many years ago, in some cases beyond recognition …I believe this is through no fault of these modern Christians and that very many are seeking God in sincerity, so I’m not looking to criticise you or anyone else. I believe that salvation is available to all people that do God’s will - love God and love neighbour. The best way to see where the real truth is is to start at the very beginning of Christianity to see exactly what’s gone on before. See how Christianity progressed.

Edit 4 We are meant to be like little children - docile and trusting. Being Catholic would make salvation much easier as we have other Sacraments to help us (including forgiveness of serious sins) which give us the grace we need to walk this path. The other point I was thinking is that we all have to be willing to follow where God leads us. One would have to be willing to do God’s will rather than following our own will …so that may eventually mean your conversion All I’m really suggesting is to be open hearted.

 

[nogames]

Edit 4 We are meant to be like little children - docile and trusting. Being Catholic would make salvation much easier as we have other Sacraments to help us (including forgiveness of serious sins) which give us the grace we need to walk this path. The other point I was thinking is that we all have to be willing to follow where God leads us. One would have to be willing to do God’s will rather than following our own will …so that may eventually mean your conversion All I’m really suggesting is to be open hearted.

Hi sudy, thanks for your response. Here’s another verse that I think is equally good:

“I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.”

I think that the innocence of children is delightful in God’s sight. But we are also warned to be shrewd.