Why is it wrong to love Mary?

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The last time I checked, practicing Catholic Christians have always been followers of Christ. I don’t get your point.
I think what area52 is saying is that he was probably baptized Catholic, since he says his parents are Catholic. However, he apparently was not catechized properly, nor was he discipled in the faith, and encountered Jesus in a personal way outside the Catholic church. This happened to me too. Perhaps he is here at CAF to find his way home?
 
I think what area52 is saying is that he was probably baptized Catholic, since he says his parents are Catholic. However, he apparently was not catechized properly, nor was he discipled in the faith, and encountered Jesus in a personal way outside the Catholic church. This happened to me too. Perhaps he is here at CAF to find his way home?
What do you mean by ‘catechized properly’?

I know that when I found Jesus, I AM HOME (so to speak) and same faith with other Protestant. I am here in CAF to share the Gospel (as it was written) from biblical point of view.

Before I became ‘born again’, I was very RELIGIOUS. The Catholic church is across the street from my house. There was no excuse in not ‘going to church’ to fulfil all devotional traditions listed by Roman Catholic. I always prayed the rosary going to/from work. HOWEVER, I was still ‘not complete’ in my walk with Christ. Not till I was introduce to the Jesus of the bible did I understand HIS total love for me. There are nothing that I needed to do (i.e. do the Catholic traditions) in order to be saved, for Jesus did it all. As He said, IT IS FINISHED.

I am sure that there are other Catholic who are/were catechized properly and still feel incomplete. And I pray that they too will experience the joy of ‘finding’ Jesus. It is God who ‘call’ us individually to become His children. He wait for him/her to respond.

[Rev 3:20] Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.

All I wanted is to share this kind of love as Jesus did.

To God be the glory…
 
[Mat 7:5] You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
[Luk 6:41] "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
[Luk 6:42] How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
**Hey, whatever melts your butter, sweetie! ** 😃
 
I think what area52 is saying is that he was probably baptized Catholic, since he says his parents are Catholic. However, he apparently was not catechized properly, nor was he discipled in the faith, and encountered Jesus in a personal way outside the Catholic church. This happened to me too. Perhaps he is here at CAF to find his way home?
Encountering Jesus in a personal way outside of the Church is not the same as encountering Jesus in the Eucharist, which is about as personal as one can get in a relationship with the Lord.
 
Encountering Jesus in a personal way outside of the Church is not the same as encountering Jesus in the Eucharist, which is about as personal as one can get in a relationship with the Lord.
John 6
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Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
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Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
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For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
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Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.

If one is “not” eating His flesh or drinking His blood, He is “not” in that person.

Not my words…Jesus’.

It is what it is.
 
Hello Huguenot…i think there’s some misunderstanding there…
Of course i’m not saying that you should remain Atheist since your parents and you’re family members are…

i can relate to the feeling of like being different from them when i have this eagerness to convert to a different religion once…but you’re right, its way more different from your case…that’s why i asked for guidance from our Lord to guide me in making a decision…and He revealed to me His words…

you have finally known God, i think its time for you to help your other family members to know HIM also…

that’s what i really wanted to say…sorry for confusing you…

God bless…

😉
Thanks, of course I would like the rest of my family to know Christ too …
I think that what disturbs them is that I really believe in God, I suppose that if instead of becoming a Protestant I had become a Catholic their reactions would be the same …
I don’t intend to appear on this thread again, but I wanted to be polite since you took some time to answer …
 
What do you mean by ‘catechized properly’?
Catholic parents who baptize their infants make promises to God in front of the faith community that the child will be raised in the faith. These vows are patterned after those made by Jews who circumcised infants (which baptism replaces as the initiatory rite into the new covenant). When Catholic parents fail to do this, they violate their sacred vows before God and the community.
I know that when I found Jesus, I AM HOME (so to speak) and same faith with other Protestant. I am here in CAF to share the Gospel (as it was written) from biblical point of view.
I have two things to say on this point. One is that finding Jesus is most fully done in the Catholic faith, part of which has been rejected by all Protestant communities. Secondly, coming to CAF with the purpose of “sharing the gospel from a biblical point of view” is clearly a violation of the forum rules. The purpose of this forum is to answer questions about Catholicism, not to give anti-Catholics a venue for promoting error. Such an agenda will get you banned from the forum. I strongly suggest that you re-evaluate your need for being here, and see if you can come up with anything that will not violate the forum rules.
Before I became ‘born again’, I was very RELIGIOUS. The Catholic church is across the street from my house. There was no excuse in not ‘going to church’ to fulfil all devotional traditions listed by Roman Catholic. I always prayed the rosary going to/from work. HOWEVER, I was still ‘not complete’ in my walk with Christ. Not till I was introduce to the Jesus of the bible did I understand HIS total love for me. There are nothing that I needed to do (i.e. do the Catholic traditions) in order to be saved, for Jesus did it all. As He said, IT IS FINISHED.
I am delighted that you have, at long last, found the “Jesus of the Bible”. I, too, had to find Him there in Protestant communities, and can appreciate what you say. However, though His work is finished, ours is not.
I am sure that there are other Catholic who are/were catechized properly and still feel incomplete.
Yes, I was one myself. My heart and prayers go out to them.
And I pray that they too will experience the joy of ‘finding’ Jesus. It is God who ‘call’ us individually to become His children. He wait for him/her to respond.
Hopefully this can happen without hatred toward the Church that Jesus founded.
All I wanted is to share this kind of love as Jesus did.

To God be the glory…
I can appreciate your sentiment. Maybe you can find a place to share this that is appropriate. Bringing anti-Catholic sentiment here is not.

Peace, my brother in faith.
 
Encountering Jesus in a personal way outside of the Church is not the same as encountering Jesus in the Eucharist, which is about as personal as one can get in a relationship with the Lord.
It may not be the same for some, but for those of us that did not encounter Christ in the breaking of the bread, I am very grateful that the HS works through these other faith communities. It was through that, and His word that I finally was able to find my way back, and eventually encounter Him in the breaking of the bread. For that reason, I am very reluctant to judge those who were hardened of heart, as I was.
 
It may not be the same for some, but for those of us that did not encounter Christ in the breaking of the bread, I am very grateful that the HS works through these other faith communities. It was through that, and His word that I finally was able to find my way back, and eventually encounter Him in the breaking of the bread. For that reason, I am very reluctant to judge those who were hardened of heart, as I was.
Having never gone through the experience myself, it baffles me to some extent, but glad you are back in the true fold.

🙂
 
For those that love Mary, do you believe these things about her that was written by a doctor of the catholic church?

The Glories of Mary
St. Alphonsus de Liguori At the command of Mary all obey, even God
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WE have so many reasons for loving this truly lovable Queen that, if Mary were praised all over the world, if all preachers spoke about her alone, and if all human beings laid down their lives for her, it would be little compared with the honor and thanks we owe her for the tender love she feels for all, even for the most desperate sinners who happen to have the slightest spark of devotion to her.
She is the singular Refuge of the abandoned, the Hope of the miserable, and the Advocate of every sinner who turns to her.

Would you pray this prayer?

PRAYERS TO JESUS AND MARY FOR MERCY

HAIL, Mary, my joy, my glory, my heart and my soul!
Thou art all mine through thy mercy, and I am all thine.
But I am not thine completely enough.

Destroy in me all that may be displeasing to God.
Place and cultivate in me everything that is pleasing to thee. Amen.
 
For those that love Mary, do you believe these things about her that was written by a doctor of the catholic church?

The Glories of Mary
St. Alphonsus de Liguori At the command of Mary all obey, even God
.
WE have so many reasons for loving this truly lovable Queen that, if Mary were praised all over the world, if all preachers spoke about her alone, and if all human beings laid down their lives for her, it would be little compared with the honor and thanks we owe her for the tender love she feels for all, even for the most desperate sinners who happen to have the slightest spark of devotion to her.
She is the singular Refuge of the abandoned, the Hope of the miserable, and the Advocate of every sinner who turns to her.

Would you pray this prayer?

PRAYERS TO JESUS AND MARY FOR MERCY

HAIL, Mary, my joy, my glory, my heart and my soul!
Thou art all mine through thy mercy, and I am all thine.
But I am not thine completely enough.

Destroy in me all that may be displeasing to God.
Place and cultivate in me everything that is pleasing to thee. Amen.
Sure. why not? But I’d take out the thee’s, thou’s and thy’s…much too annoying!
 
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Originally Posted by justasking4
For those that love Mary, do you believe these things about her that was written by a doctor of the catholic church?
The Glories of Mary
St. Alphonsus de Liguori At the command of Mary all obey, even God.
WE have so many reasons for loving this truly lovable Queen that, if Mary were praised all over the world, if all preachers spoke about her alone, and if all human beings laid down their lives for her, it would be little compared with the honor and thanks we owe her for the tender love she feels for all, even for the most desperate sinners who happen to have the slightest spark of devotion to her.
She is the singular Refuge of the abandoned, the Hope of the miserable, and the Advocate of every sinner who turns to her.
Would you pray this prayer?
PRAYERS TO JESUS AND MARY FOR MERCY
HAIL, Mary, my joy, my glory, my heart and my soul!
Thou art all mine through thy mercy, and I am all thine.
But I am not thine completely enough.
Destroy in me all that may be displeasing to God.
Place and cultivate in me everything that is pleasing to thee. Amen.
peary
Sure. why not? But I’d take out the thee’s, thou’s and thy’s…much too annoying!**
So you have no problem believing that Mary is “the singular Refuge of the abandoned, the Hope of the miserable, and the Advocate of every sinner who turns to her”?
Do you also relaize that the the only One that the Scriptures teach that does this is the Holy Spirit?
 
So you have no problem believing that Mary is “the singular Refuge of the abandoned, the Hope of the miserable, and the Advocate of every sinner who turns to her”?
Do you also relaize that the the only One that the Scriptures teach that does this is the Holy Spirit?
Yup.

Mary is the spouse of the Holy Spirt.
 
Originally Posted by justasking4
So you have no problem believing that Mary is “the singular Refuge of the abandoned, the Hope of the miserable, and the Advocate of every sinner who turns to her”?
Do you also relaize that the the only One that the Scriptures teach that does this is the Holy Spirit?

Goth_Catholic
Yup.

Mary is the spouse of the Holy Spirt.
Is this the offical teaching of the catholic church?
 
It’s not wrong to love Mary. Protestants include her in their nativity scenes, for example. But lavish adoration of Mary is quite another thing. I see the Rosary recited often on EWTN and there are ten Hail Marys for every one Our Father. Ten prayers directed at Mary to everyone directed at God. Hm! Is that a good balance?
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Mary is at the cross, a very important scenario, of course. But two things from the Bible always struck me.

(1) After the nativity stories in Matthew and Luke, Mary is rarely mentioned in the gospels. And when she is it almost sounds as though Jesus is rebuking her. See John 2:4 and Luke 8:21. 

(2) If Mary is so central to Christian worship, why doesn't her name appear in Acts, the letters of St. Paul and all the other epistles of the New Testament? That omission strongly suggests that she wasn't that central to the earliest Christians.

 It seems that Mariology got a great impetus when Christianity had to compete with the mystery religions, where virgin goddesses often played a key role. 

  Honor Mary, of course. But the central role she plays in Catholicism today is unBiblical and - sorry - pagan. At the same time, if Catholics want to continue it, fine. I respect nearly all other faiths even when I cannot agree with them. I say 'nearly' because I do have trouble with extremist elements within all faiths, whether hyper-Muslims, Jews, Catholics or evangelical Protestants who look down on every faith but their own and consider the rest of us as heretics, inferior or hell-bent.
 
Is this the offical teaching of the catholic church?
I don’t know if it’s “offical” as in dogmatic, but does it really matter if it’s “offical” or not? Would you belive it if it was? I doubt it.
 
It’s not wrong to love Mary. Protestants include her in their nativity scenes, for example. But lavish adoration of Mary is quite another thing. I see the Rosary recited often on EWTN and there are ten Hail Marys for every one Our Father. Ten prayers directed at Mary to everyone directed at God. Hm! Is that a good balance?
You miss one of the most important parts of the prayer “Blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus”. God is present even in the Hail Mary.
Mary is at the cross, a very important scenario, of course. But two things from the Bible always struck me.
Code:
(1) After the nativity stories in Matthew and Luke, Mary is rarely mentioned in the gospels. And when she is it almost sounds as though Jesus is rebuking her. See John 2:4 and Luke 8:21.
Jesus isn’t rebuking. He’s pointing out that she isn’t important only because she is his mother, but because she also belives and does the will of God.
(2) If Mary is so central to Christian worship, why doesn’t her name appear in Acts, the letters of St. Paul and all the other epistles of the New Testament? That omission strongly suggests that she wasn’t that central to the earliest Christians.
You need to remember, she was alive during these years. Only Revelation was written after her death and assumption. Which is where Rev. 12:1 comes into play. John sees her after her death, assumption, and cordination
It seems that Mariology got a great impetus when Christianity had to compete with the mystery religions, where virgin goddesses often played a key role.
If your trying to convert someone you preach the truth. If some elements happen to be similar, you play on that. Most holidays were orginially pagan. Doesn’t detract it from the truth.
Honor Mary, of course. But the central role she plays in Catholicism today is unBiblical and - sorry - pagan.
Really…I wonder how Jesus feels about you calling his mother a pagan.

At the same time, if Catholics want to continue it, fine. I respect nearly all other faiths even when I cannot agree with them. I say ‘nearly’ because I do have trouble with extremist elements within all faiths, whether hyper-Muslims, Jews, Catholics or evangelical Protestants who look down on every faith but their own and consider the rest of us as heretics, inferior or hell-bent.
 
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