Why is the Catholic Church hated so much?

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St Thomas Aquinas Said “To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible”. I feel sorry for people like new creation they have closed off there hearts and refuse to open it. God blessed me with a gift of faith i have researched the RCC and studied scripture and prayed through all of that God has showed me that the Catholic church is his church. And so got into rcia after 18 yrs of Protestantism, and come Easter i will get confirmed, here is my take on scripture alone scripturecatholic.com/scripture_alone.html
also what is a fundamentalist i was never taught about them at the babptist schooll i went to tho strangely i was taught that catholics were wrong and that they worship mary
 
tell that to my old school, and family because my school was anti catholic and my grandma said she would rather die than i become catholic
 
FutureCatholic1 said:
tell that to my old school, and family because my school was anti catholic and my grandma said she would rather die than i become catholic
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+++++++ Good thing sir that you were open enough to hear the Catholic side despite of all this.
I am mostly surrounded by non-catholics in the neighborhood and family (in-laws), its very hard:(.
 
I give all the credit to God he gave me a open heart and faith.
on a side note pray for my brothers friend Tim he was decived by protestants and left the church. we should also pray for this Tim. i know its confuseing protestantism is like being brainwashed, that catholics are bad. if not for my moms side of the family may she rest in peace i dont think i would have ever joined the catholic church
 
Bohm_Bawerk said:
Most people aren’t anti-Catholic. This is merely a myth roaming on CAF forums.
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Hey Bohm,

I think you would agree that “many” and “most” are different words that have different functions, the former having to do with number and the latter with percentage compared to the whole.

With that said, nobody is arguing that most people are anti-Catholic. To my recollection, nobody even said that here (I could be wrong). If they are, shame on them, for that is certainly not true. That you think we think that on here is itself a myth.

What we do know is that many people are anti-Catholics. Even if the number is almost negligible compared to the population. If only 500 people, that is still many. If only 50 people, that is still many. But I would venture to say that there are more than 500 anti-Catholics in this world.

What may have confused you (rightly so) is that someone may have said “most people are anti-Catholics because…” I think what they are trying to say is “most anti-Catholics are that way because…” There is a fine line there in the former statement that can be easily and unknowingly distorted by the unsuspecting person.

Thanks for giving us the chance to clarify though. Many people are anti-Catholic, but certainly not “most” people.
 
FutureCatholic1 said:
also what is fundamentalism
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The fundamentalist movement began in the early part of the 20th century as a reaction against the growing liberalism in mainline denominations. The early fundamentalist conferances included almost every Protestant denomination.
Fundamentalism exists in the fog of a false history (which is why they discourage educated inquiry) and ‘separation’. They believe they are ‘Bible based’ and all other denominations reject the Bible and salvation.
The CC, they believe is ‘anti-Bible’. When one looks at the world from this point of view, it is difficult to break through it. ‘Separation’ keeps them from a wider world and in fear. They are convinced of their rightness and your wrongness and they will do whatever they can to break your will.

There are three basic types of fundamentalist baptists:

1. The Jerry Falwel, Liberty University variety.
I attended LU and can safely say they are the most reasonable kind (that may shock some people). They would fit into the " ‘New Evangelicals’ Billy Graham, Charles Colson, James Dobson" types you mention. Hard-core fundamentalists do not consider them to be fundamentalists (for a variety of reasons I will not bore you with explaining, not the least of which is that they (GASP) use modern english versions of the Bible.

2. The Bob Jones University variety.
They range from Calvinist to Arminian in theology. They tend to be more intellectual, but very elitist and racist. Their numbers are dwindling however, Two pastors I sat under were from BJU.

3. The Hyles-Anderson College, KJV-only variety.
These are the wide-eyed fanatics. These are the haters. Very anti-intellectual, cultic, abrasive, paranoid…I could go on, but you get the picture. The third group I have encountered, even preached in a few of their churches, but I avoided them.

All three Falwell, Jones, and Hyles are gone now. But their legacy continues. All three are little islands to themselves. They put up walls so no opposite POV comes in.
Defeating the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist sect (cult would be a better word) can only be done on an individual basis, and only when the Holy Spirit directs the path for the individual.
Fortuntely, IFBs are a dying breed. The number of people in thier churches rarely are in the triple digets. Most are a small handful of people.
The reason why is obvious: thier doctrine of separation. They separate, not just from all those ‘apostate denominations’, but from each other as well.
When one is born of division, all that can be produced is more division. They will continue to ‘separate’ and divide until they are no more.
You don’t have to ‘defeat’ them.
They’re doing it themselves.
 
FutureCatholic1 said:
I give all the credit to God he gave me a open heart and faith.
on a side note pray for my brothers friend Tim he was decived by protestants and left the church. we should also pray for this Tim. i know its confuseing protestantism is like being brainwashed, that catholics are bad. if not for my moms side of the family may she rest in peace i dont think i would have ever joined the catholic church
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Don’t paint all Protestants in the outline of Tim. Some of the biggest critics of fundamentalism are mainline Protestants.
 
On MSNBC’s ‘Newsvine’, anti-Christianity is rabid. They have their members say anything they want, and Christians and other people of faith came on to defend as well as participate in other threads, but were eventually removed.
 
FutureCatholic1 said:
I give all the credit to God he gave me a open heart and faith.
on a side note pray for my brothers friend Tim he was decived by protestants and left the church. we should also pray for this Tim. i know its confuseing protestantism is like being brainwashed, that catholics are bad. if not for my moms side of the family may she rest in peace i dont think i would have ever joined the catholic church
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When they arrived in Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church, as well as by the apostles and the presbyters, and they reported what God had done with them. 5But some from the party of the Pharisees who had become believers stood up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and direct them to observe the Mosaic law.”

Acts 15:6 - 12 (From usccb.org/bible/acts/15)
6* The apostles and the presbyters met together to see about this matter.
7* After much debate had taken place, Peter got up and said to them, “My brothers, you are well aware that from early days God made his choice among you that through my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe.
8And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us.
9He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.
10Why, then, are you now putting God to the test by placing on the shoulders of the disciples a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear?
11On the contrary, WE BELIEVE THAT WE ARE SAVED THROUGH THE GRACE OF THE Lord Jesus, in the same way as they.”*
12The whole assembly fell silent, and they listened while Paul and Barnabas described the signs and wonders God had worked among the Gentiles through them.

Tim’s comment: there is NOTHING else we can do to enter the kingdom, just have faith in Jesus through the Grace of God the Father!! Anything else we do, we do it out of love for Him because He loved us first.
 
newcreation2009 said:
When they arrived in Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church, as well as by the apostles and the presbyters, and they reported what God had done with them. 5But some from the party of the Pharisees who had become believers stood up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and direct them to observe the Mosaic law.”

Acts 15:6 - 12 (From usccb.org/bible/acts/15)
6* The apostles and the presbyters met together to see about this matter.
7* After much debate had taken place, Peter got up and said to them, “My brothers, you are well aware that from early days God made his choice among you that through my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe.
8And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us.
9He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.
10Why, then, are you now putting God to the test by placing on the shoulders of the disciples a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear?
11On the contrary, WE BELIEVE THAT WE ARE SAVED THROUGH THE GRACE OF THE Lord Jesus, in the same way as they.”*
12The whole assembly fell silent, and they listened while Paul and Barnabas described the signs and wonders God had worked among the Gentiles through them.

Tim’s comment: there is NOTHING else we can do to enter the kingdom, just have faith in Jesus through the Grace of God the Father!! Anything else we do, we do it out of love for Him because He loved us first.
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But did you read the rest of the Gospels? or just this passage to come up with this conclusion? do you think that the Church Jesus found has no merit whatsoever? remember it is found by God Himself.
 
it is a combination of works and grace that save us if u try to take one away from the other it dosnt work i cant say God sae me through your grace then go and murder fifty people, and expect to get to heaven. But neither can i say well ill just be a atheist but ill be a nice person and do good deeds and if God is real he will let me into heaven. but if you ask for Gods forgiveness and then turn your life to God and work for God it works think i got my meaning across
 
Tim your just like some of my ‘friends’ who i try to have conversations with they come at me with there hearts, eyes and soul closed off to everything i have to say. But they expect me to listen and take in everything they say which i do then i go and look for answers and see the catholic church has a answer. But no matter what i say or show them they will never look into or try to learn anything from what i say they close their heart, soul and eyes to the truth you too come here with a closed mind … you will not try to learn from what anyone says hear you will just post more stuff to prove your right just like my so called friends who are protestants.

not trying to come off as a jerk just saying how it looks to me after reading previous comments
 
Jack_Bauer said:
You took the words right out of my mouth.

People like Tim don’t seem to realize that many of us former Protestants that have converted to Catholicism weren’t you’re average Protestant. I’ve come to meet many former preachers, like myself. Fallen away Catholics fail to realize the level of research we’ve engaged in while preparing for serious bible lessons, sermons, and growth, but then we were shocked by truth that emerged from the pages, finally tying the strings together, with sense that just fell into place. Our new found faith grounded in the Church they left is so difficult to cope with that they MUST dismiss what we’ve learned and try to express to them because their choice to leave and then proselytize become meaningless. The sacrifices they made, the foolishness of their actions are unbearable to accept. So, they feed the hungry lion, hoping its hunger is quenched so that they can continue in what the want to believe is true. Having been a fallen away Catholic, I understand and finally realized after several years of trying to reach out to them that they just have to go through the process. It’s their journey.
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I love hearing former Catholics or converts tell their spiritual journey,which eventually led to them to the Catholic Faith. As Director of Catechetical Ministry at a local parish here in So.Cal I have met and spoken to many reverts and converts and they all share common experiences as you. As I tell many adult Catholics:

The mind is like a parachute in order to be successful it must open up…👍
 
After being on CAF for a short while, and seeing the same kind of mindset described by people not being open, it is so much more important to move away from that and to focus on Christ given us by the Church.

Praying for conversions is perhaps a good focus when we come up to those who are not open at this time.
 
newcreation2009 said:
When they arrived in Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church, as well as by the apostles and the presbyters, and they reported what God had done with them. 5But some from the party of the Pharisees who had become believers stood up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and direct them to observe the Mosaic law.”

Acts 15:6 - 12 (From usccb.org/bible/acts/15)
6* The apostles and the presbyters met together to see about this matter.
7* After much debate had taken place, Peter got up and said to them, “My brothers, you are well aware that from early days God made his choice among you that through my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe.
8And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us.
9He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.
10Why, then, are you now putting God to the test by placing on the shoulders of the disciples a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear?
11On the contrary, WE BELIEVE THAT WE ARE SAVED THROUGH THE GRACE OF THE Lord Jesus, in the same way as they.”*
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Sounds like something a Pope would say…
newcreation2009 said:
Tim’s comment: there is NOTHING else we can do to enter the kingdom, just have faith in Jesus through the Grace of God the Father!! Anything else we do, we do it out of love for Him because He loved us first.
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“[J]ust have faith in Jesus through the Grace of God the Father.”

That is very different from " WE BELIEVE THAT WE ARE SAVED THROUGH THE GRACE OF THE Lord Jesus."
  1. Peter did not say faith.
  2. You added that to the passage.
  3. Why is the Gospel littered with commands of prayer, almsgiving, Scripture-reading, repentance, etc… if Christ knew it was ultimately irrelevant?
In other words, what is the point of being “Christ-like” if DOING what He did is unnecessary and ultimately irrelevant?

Salvation by Faith Alone and Once Saved Always Saved… Those beliefs disregard the fact that being Christ-like is necessary for salvation. You said it yourself, “Just have faith.” You never said anything about being Christ-like which is the ultimate standard for having faith and good works.
 
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