Why is the God of this world not God if he is the creator?

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The Church teaches that God is not the God of this world. If he created it, why not? Did he sell his Godness over the world? Did he take a vow of poverty? Is he in a bet? Regardless, why are we or would we be a part of the creator not being the God?

If by rationale of suffering, why does one need to witness one of the creator suffer - by temptation/sin/pain or challenge to belief? Refer back to previous - was there a bet?
 
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The Church reaches that God is not the God of this world. If he created it, why not? Did he sell his Godness over the world? Did he take a vow of poverty? Is he in a bet? Regardless, why are we or would we be a part of the creator not being the God?

If by rationale of suffering, why does one need to witness one of the creator suffer - by temptation/sin/pain or challenge to belief? Refer back to previous - was there a bet?
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Catechism of the Catholic Church
III. “THE WORLD WAS CREATED FOR THE GLORY OF GOD”

294 The glory of God consists in the realization of this manifestation and communication of his goodness, for which the world was created. …

409 This dramatic situation of "the whole world [which] is in the power of the evil one"302 makes man’s life a battle:
The whole of man’s history has been the story of dour combat with the powers of evil, stretching, so our Lord tells us, from the very dawn of history until the last day. Finding himself in the midst of the battlefield man has to struggle to do what is right, and it is at great cost to himself, and aided by God’s grace, that he succeeds in achieving his own inner integrity.303
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This world is not of God, per se. God did not make this world as it is, Adam did by sinning and breaking it. God is not the God of sin, pain, and death.
 
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Adam is not more powerful than God, no. Why do you ask?
 
The scripture verses talking about the god of this world are an expression for the earthly powers that don’t reflect the Gospel: pagan governments, pagan culture, the moral majority, etc.

God is both Lord and Creator of all creation.
 
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When the devil tempted Jesus in the desert, he "took him up to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in their magnificence, and he said to him, ‘I shall give to you all this power and their glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I may give it to whomever I wish. All this will be yours, if you worship me.’ "

So there you have the answer. God handed it over for a time. God is still the God of this world, but has allowed his creatures (including us) to act freely. We glorify God when we cooperate in his Plan.
 
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So the God of this world needs to Glorify God and we’re all along for the show?
 
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db90 said:
The Church teaches that God is not the God of this world. If he created it, why not? Did he sell his Godness over the world? Did he take a vow of poverty? Is he in a bet? Regardless, why are we or would we be a part of the creator not being the God?
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You may have this sentiment confused. God is the creator of this world, and he is our God in the objective sense that he indeed created and sustains all things.

That being said, Paul makes a number of statements that are relevant. So for example, he says you are a servant to the one whom you obey. In this sense the world (which is shot through with sin due to the fall) serves something that is not the God who created it. In other words the world unjustly worships and serves a false god. When Paul speaks of the god of this world, he means the world has set Satan in God’s place and falsely worships him rather than the true God who not only created the world but sent his Son to redeem it.
 
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You say God made the world corrupt?

2 Cor 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the likeness of God.

Are you arguing you are part of the world?

In 15:18 "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.
19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

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Rom 5:12 Therefore as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned –

The world became corrupted through one man, Adam and it continues that one man, Jesus, now makes us righteous:

13 sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.
14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sins were not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift in the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.
16 And the free gift is not like the effect of that one man’s sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brings justification.
17 If, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Then as one man’s trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one man’s act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men.
19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
 
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So the God of this world needs to Glorify God and we’re all along for the show?
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Based upon your question, I think you do not understand the Catechism quotes, which should answer your questions. Do you understand that Christianity teaches that there is only one God?

Maybe you will understand this from the Catechism:
302 Creation has its own goodness and proper perfection, but it did not spring forth complete from the hands of the Creator. The universe was created “in a state of journeying” ( in statu viae ) toward an ultimate perfection yet to be attained, to which God has destined it. We call “divine providence” the dispositions by which God guides his creation toward this perfection:
By his providence God protects and governs all things which he has made, “reaching mightily from one end of the earth to the other, and ordering all things well”. For “all are open and laid bare to his eyes”, even those things which are yet to come into existence through the free action of creatures.161
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310 But why did God not create a world so perfect that no evil could exist in it? With infinite power God could always create something better.174 But with infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world “in a state of journeying” towards its ultimate perfection. In God’s plan this process of becoming involves the appearance of certain beings and the disappearance of others, the existence of the more perfect alongside the less perfect, both constructive and destructive forces of nature. With physical good there exists also physical evil as long as creation has not reached perfection.175
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My apologies if anyone is offended that I simply just do not read the catechism and take it as the end all be all. That way of looking at things is very “code Napoleon” to me. I’ll wait for a warm bodied priest.
 
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Adam is not more powerful than God, no. Why do you ask?
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You say Adam made the world as it is and God did not make the world as it is? Did Adam override God?
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God created the world. Then God created Adam and eve to live in the world.
Adam and eve sinned against God. This caused changes that affect the world. In that sense Adam changed the world. That does not mean Adam has power comparable to God’s power.
 
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The Church teaches that God is not the God of this world.
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I’m not sure what you are referring to, but God is not the creator of sin. This fallen state we are in is not God’s will. But you are not suppose to take it to mean that God did not create the world or is literally not the God of it.
 
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My apologies if anyone is offended that I simply just do not read the catechism and take it as the end all be all. That way of looking at things is very “code Napoleon” to me. I’ll wait for a warm bodied priest.
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Do you understand that Christianity teaches that there is only one God?
 
Exactly. God made the world but God didn’t make its fruits. Adam’s sin made the fruits of the world.
 
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